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beardy 15th Mar 2022 09:37

I know that arms sales are a complex business, but I can imagine that the slow Russian progress and losses won't have done much good for future sales.

tartare 15th Mar 2022 09:38


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11199800)
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...urope-60717902

Elon Musk has challenged Putin to a fight - 1 on 1. The winner decides the future of Ukraine.

Whilst the idea is ridiculous, not least because Musk does not speak for Ukraine or its people in any way whatsoever, I think this might be fun to watch because you just know he has an Iron Man suit...

Hate to say it - but I'd be putting my money on the little ex-KGB spook who's probably personally killed a lot of people, is a judoka and learned to street fight Leningrad taxi-driver style - rather than some skinny, loudmouth geek from Silicon Valley.
Doesn't change the fact that Putin's an arsehole though.

jolihokistix 15th Mar 2022 10:07

Re the Musk vs Putin fixture. Luckily, at least one of them has a sense of humo(u)r.

NutLoose 15th Mar 2022 10:12

Not verified and to be honest, put out by RT



UKRAINE LIVE

@defensesentinel
·
More footage of captured Multiple Ukrainian Gurza-M patrol boats which were left behind by Ukrainian forces in Berdyansk. #UkraineRussianWar#RussiaUkraine#Ukraine#Russia#UkraineWar


NutLoose 15th Mar 2022 10:23

They're surrounded ;)



jolihokistix 15th Mar 2022 10:45

Needs a comma, I think.

NutLoose 15th Mar 2022 10:52

?

you've lost me there.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 15th Mar 2022 10:52


Originally Posted by tartare (Post 11200123)
Hate to say it - but I'd be putting my money on the little ex-KGB spook who's probably personally killed a lot of people, is a judoka and learned to street fight Leningrad taxi-driver style - rather than some skinny, loudmouth geek from Silicon Valley.
Doesn't change the fact that Putin's an arsehole though.

We were also told by Putin and his predecessors that the mighty Russian warmachine could, if it so chose, be in Paris within 3 days of starting an East to West advance.
I wonder how much more of his CV is embellished in the same way.

My money is on Ironman :-)

jolihokistix 15th Mar 2022 10:53

We never grow up ladies!
We never grow up, ladies!

B Fraser 15th Mar 2022 10:55


Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj (Post 11199800)
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...urope-60717902

Elon Musk has challenged Putin to a fight - 1 on 1. The winner decides the future of Ukraine.

Whilst the idea is ridiculous, not least because Musk does not speak for Ukraine or its people in any way whatsoever, I think this might be fun to watch because you just know he has an Iron Man suit...

The mayor of Kyiv would be more entertaining. One Vitali Klitschko no less.

Tartiflette Fan 15th Mar 2022 11:10


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11200146)
Not verified and to be honest, put out by RT8

Nutty, some days ago you asked " am I spamming the forums " ,? For me you now are. You are posting these giant half-page images ( which you were asked to stop doing, a day or so ago )and you are posting the same content on both major threads, which confuses me about which thread I am reading. If the post is only on one thread, then you'll just have to risk that someone doesn't benefit from your wisdom;



PLEASE KNOCK IT OFF !!!!!

Herod 15th Mar 2022 11:34

I call fake on the boats. Does anyone believe the crews would have just left assets like that? At the very least they would have been scuttled at their moorings.

Thrust Augmentation 15th Mar 2022 11:38

Yea, I appreciate the posts, but I'm seeing humungous Ukrainian coloured images that look like Twitter placeholder of some sort & duplicate Twitter posts - I've modified my mouse so that it accepts the wheel from a Mini (may add a small two stroke motor).

admikar 15th Mar 2022 11:44


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11200146)
Not verified and to be honest, put out by RT



UKRAINE LIVE
@defensesentinel
·
15h
More footage of captured Multiple Ukrainian Gurza-M patrol boats which were left behind by Ukrainian forces in Berdyansk. #UkraineRussianWar#RussiaUkraine#Ukraine#Russia#UkraineWar

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503571217722507268

How come that everything that is put out by Russian side is propaganda and anything that is put by Ukraine/West is pure truth?
Do you really believe that it is only Russians that are lying?

Herod 15th Mar 2022 11:51


Do you really believe that it is only Russians that are lying?
Of course not; both sides put out propaganda. The big difference is that we in the west have access to both sides of the story and can make up out own minds. Maybe one day the people of Russia will have that access as well.

dead_pan 15th Mar 2022 12:14


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11200175)
Nutty, some days ago you asked " am I spamming the forums " ,? For me you now are. You are posting these giant half-page images ( which you were asked to stop doing, a day or so ago )and you are posting the same content on both major threads, which confuses me about which thread I am reading. If the post is only on one thread, then you'll just have to risk that someone doesn't benefit from your wisdom;



PLEASE KNOCK IT OFF !!!!!

Nutty, when you post the link, trim off the top bit from the [QUOTE] bit down to the Twitter hyperlink. That way you'll stop filling all of our screens and eyeballs with that massive Ukrainian flag every time you post, and every time someone quotes your post...

Imagegear 15th Mar 2022 12:15

There ya go, fixed it for you,

Of course not; both sides put out propaganda. The big difference is that we in the west have the freedom to access to both sides of the story and can make up our own minds. Maybe one day the people of Russia will have that freedom as well.

IG

dead_pan 15th Mar 2022 12:19


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11200198)
Of course not; both sides put out propaganda. The big difference is that we in the west have access to both sides of the story and can make up out own minds. Maybe one day the people of Russia will have that access as well.

Have to say, our propaganda is classier.. Biden's team absolutely nailed it when they put out that story about Russia requesting support from China. Who knows whether its true or not, given how many times they've cried wolf over the past few months, but it clearly riled the Russians ("no super-power card for you!", as someone put it on Twitter).

But you're right, I think we're a bit more immune to taking anything at face value nowadays.


NutLoose 15th Mar 2022 12:34

I had tried to get rid of the damned flags, but as I have said in the past, this PC will not show the links at all in the threads so I cannot do anything about them, I do try to remove them on my other PC, as for believing the Ukraine, I am objective and if anything has not been verified from both sides I add that it is unverified.


( which you were asked to stop doing, a day or so ago )
Nope no one has asked me.

[email protected] 15th Mar 2022 12:42

Considering how quickly the State (be it Russia or China) clamps down on the media (traditional and social) when there are stories or pictures it doesn't like - we can consider ourselves very fortunate to have the access to the full spectrum of news.

At least you can see from RT what they are prepared to peddle to keep in with the Kremlin.


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