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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter
From NBC News, 25th Feb 2022



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...#liveBlogCards

On a separate note, walked past Leinster House, the seat of the Irish parliament earlier this evening, it's lit up in Blue and Yellow.

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Great. Light bulbs.

Vlad must be simply pissing himself with laughter.

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When the Taliban think Putin has gone too far….

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:19
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
For a supposedly smart person, please point out where I said attack? I will give you a hint, read my post, I have copied the part over to make it easy for you.. heck I have even highlighted it.
I find you very hard to believe!

Peacekeepers in the face of a 5 pronged multi thousand troop armoured and airborne assault? The effect would be the same, we would be at war with Russia and that would be catastrophic for humanity.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:21
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Looks like BA taken down with a cyber attack, retaliation for ban on Russian airlines in UK airspace?

https://twitter.com/metrouk/status/1497303306175238145?s=21

https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1497313024360824834?s=21

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:24
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
Sorry Pr00ne, but I am very ashamed to say that after the non-action from the West, I disagree with you.

When it comes to sanctions, Western Leaders are not prepared to unleash everything - they are still holding something in reserve'. Biden said he will 'consider sanctioning Putin himself if he escalates further'. My God, what does Putin have to do - invading a sovreign, democratic and peaceful country is not enough? I am truly ashamed to be British.

It is clear that the West are terrified of upsetting Putin and frightened of him. If Putin decides to invade Poland next, and says very clearly that he will use Nukes to annihilate any nation that gets in his way (as he has effectively said, albeit very thinly veiled, over Unkraine), do you honestly believe Article 5 will stand resolute and strong? I do not believe it will. When the UK are faced with the prospect of London, Birmingham, Manchester etc being wiped off the face of the planet, with tens of millions of deaths, as a price for defending a country where probably 99% of Brits have never been and which many could not locate on a map, do you really think Article 5 will hold? These nations are frightened to apply full sanctions and you think they will risk being Nuked to help a distant neighbour?

I admire your faith, but the facts tell me otherwise. Putin now rightly sees the West and weak and cowardly. He can take whatever he wants, whilst holding the world to nuclear ransom, and he knows it. The West will cave in, and Putin will absolutely not stop at Ukraine. He can smell the weakness and fear.

The UK Government HAS sanctioned Putin, and his Foreign Secretary. And yes, I do believe that Article 5 will stand if Putin attacks a NATO nation, and any response will not be nuclear. Your pff hand and dismissive remark about Ukraine reminds me of similar remarks made by British politicians about Czechoslovakia in 1939, they were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

I disagree completely with you as regards the west being terrified of Putin. The 'west', what ever that is, are terrified of a nuclear exchange, and I am thankful that they are.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Just This Once...
Nothing in the articles prohibit coming to the aid of a non-NATO state. Indeed, nation states have supremacy over their actions, not NATO. Any nation state can chose to help another in such circumstances, even one that is also part of NATO. We, the UK, have conducted numerous operation in recent years outside of the NATO umbrella. Indeed, I can only think of 2 that have ever been under NATO and only 1 under article 5.

The balance is between the dignity and integrity in defending a fellow democracy vs the risk of further escalation. Tricky, for sure.
Yes, but none of them involved Russia, a nuclear armed Russia led by a dictatorial madman like Putin, that makes a massive difference!
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Fonsini
On another note - does anyone seriously believe that increased sanctions will solve this?

Russia still has access to the SWIFT banking system and we are still heavy users of Russian oil and gas - but these are “strict” sanctions ??

Who is 'we?' The UK takes just under 3% of its Gas supplies from Russia, not 3% of our entire energy consumption, just of gas. Swift is a private Belgian company and is vital for the payment by states like Germany and Italy for their russian energy supplies. To just turn Swift off to Russia would mean instant energy shortages for these and many other nations. It takes time to prepare for such action and make preparations for alternatives. And yes, these are very strict and global sanctions. Unprecedented and I believe unexpected.
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Council of Europe suspends Russia’s rights of representation



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Originally Posted by Just a spotter
From NBC News, 25th Feb 2022



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...#liveBlogCards

On a separate note, walked past Leinster House, the seat of the Irish parliament earlier this evening, it's lit up in Blue and Yellow.

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10 Downing Street was lit up with side by side blue and yellow last night, and the Ukrainian flag is flying from the roof.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
Great. Light bulbs.

Vlad must be simply pissing himself with laughter.
It's called solidarity.

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 19:50
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Originally Posted by admikar
There is a bit longer video of that hit. No markings (white Z, triangle, V....whatever). Wonder who IS driving it?
Apparently it was a pair of captured Ukrainian vehicles driven by Russians wearing Ukrainian uniforms.
They were shot dead a short time later
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
It's called solidarity.
solidarity is standing side by side with them against a foe, not putting up some glorified Christmas lights.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
solidarity is standing side by side with them against a foe, not putting up some glorified Christmas lights.
Leading to nuclear war? You are mad.
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Leading to nuclear war? You are mad.
There you go again, putting words in my mouth, you said it was solidarity and I told you what solidarity was, nowhere did I infer any actions whatsoever
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
I find you very hard to believe!

Peacekeepers in the face of a 5 pronged multi thousand troop armoured and airborne assault? The effect would be the same, we would be at war with Russia and that would be catastrophic for humanity.
Peacekeepers from nations that are part of NATO though working independent may have stopped him invading for fear of bringing NATO into it, I for one think his nuclear option is a bluff btw
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
Leading to nuclear war? You are mad.
Then I‘m mad too. I‘d set up a no-fly-zone on behalf of UKR at their request and put Vlad back in his box. If we keep letting him get away with it then those nukes might fly anyway
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Originally Posted by ORAC

Council of Europe suspends Russia’s rights of representation



https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/...954041856?s=21
This one is rich considering what have happened throughout history
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Originally Posted by WB627
I was going to write what utter boloux, but forum rules, I think, prevent me from being that forthright about the views of another poster, so I will simply say....

You are wrong in the same way we were wrong not to stop hitter before he started WW2 and wrong not to force Stalin back to his pre WW2 borders with the threat of the atom bomb in 1945, when he didn't have one. We left Poland in a worse situation than when Hitler invaded and lets not mention the Polish officers that we repatriated to be imprisoned and murdered by Stalin. THAT made me very ashamed to be British.

The Poles have come to the aid of the Ukrainian's and opened their borders to them. The Poles came to the aid of the UK in WW2 and we betrayed them in 1945 by swapping Hitler for Stalin. I don't think the Ukrainian's will ever betray them and I hope that the UK will not do so again either.

For the record, I have been to Poland.
For the record, I have not been to Poland. However, my wife is Russian, so she has a better than average idea of what Putin might be thinking. I also served 3 decades in the UK Military - please do not (almost) insult me.

You insinuated that my post might have an air of '2 balls swinging in a sack' about it...

Have all possible sanctions been put in place? The answer is NO!! Where is removal from SWIFT?, Where is Cancellation of all Russian Oil and Gas contracts? Where is the EU and USA refusing travel to Russian passport holders? You said I was talking crap, so please explain how I am wrong here? I said that sanctions were being held back and you described my post as utter boll*cks'. Clearly you know better than the rest of the world, so please enlighten me?

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