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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:27
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Well said…….. but please we should be venting our anger in a different direction.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:37
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Originally Posted by pr00ne
It's called solidarity.
It is called pathetic. I served in HM forces for 30 years so please do not insult my intelligence with such trite comments. As I have mentioned before, my wife is Russian so I know a thing or two about how they think.

When Gordon Brown was Prime Minister he refused to give a penny in budget increase to the Armed Forces. When questioned in Parliament about it, he said 'I have nothing but respect for our Armed Forces'. The next day, a letter was published in the Daily Telegraph from an astute lady who simply said 'Precisely'. This is where e are now - paper threats and pretty lights,

It is an insult to the intelligence of Ukranians, many of whom are going to die soon, to say that a few light bulbs are meaningful in any way. The West has been shown for the paper tiger that it is and I am absolutely disgusted. We are watching innocent people being slaughtered on our doorstep and we could stop it, but we won't, because they did not join our club, and Russian money is too important to our governments (Hence the refusal to deny them SWIFT).

History will judge us as the very worst of humanity - insulated, cowardly and self-serving. We could stop this slaughter of innocents, but we are not. That is a simple fact.

We deserve the judgement and condemnation that history will attach to us - we watched naked aggression being visited on innocent people, whilst being more powerful than the aggressor, and looked the other way. We cited rules and articles as people died. We moved football matches and cancelled a car race as cities burned.

We deserve the contempt of the world to follow the one we have so comprehensively abandoned.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:45
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:48
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Baldeep..
Who is 'we'?
You? Your sons, your daughters?
Me? Mine?

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:50
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Has anyone mentioned what a prime opportunity this is for the Chicoms to invade Taiwan?
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:54
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Originally Posted by Fonsini
Has anyone mentioned what a prime opportunity this is for the Chicoms to invade Taiwan?
Seeing how this doesn't really seem to work as planned, I'm not so sure. I'm sure Xi will want to learn of his Buddies mistakes before giving it his own try.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 20:57
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Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:01
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https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...mes-to-europe/

US, NATO air forces mobilize as war comes to Europe

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:05
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Ukrainian MOD- "Kyiv territorial defence have NLAW. Welcome to hell."

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:05
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With all his talk of nuclear action, does the madman actually have the button? My guess is that he doesn't, and there are a lot of more sober minds that do. We can but hope that when he says "fire", the unit commanders, knowing the end result, would say "no"
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:09
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Airport at Hostomel non-operational, Russian forces moving on to Kyiv….

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:17
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
.... I for one think his nuclear option is a bluff btw
Agreed. The man who's first thought on being "forced" into a war is to rescue his $70M yacht is probably not the man to end it all in a blaze of glory...

Incidentally, for those of us feeling powerless to help, whilst a sovereign European nation is being forced to fight, at huge cost, for its right to exist, the National bank of Ukraine has set up a dedicated account that is being used to support the Ukrainian military. It's little enough, but I'm sure most of us can afford a small chunk of our monthly pay cheque to give their soldiers the best possible chance in a war they didn't choose.

Instructions here:https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/nats...potrebi-armiyi

I have satisfied myself that this is official and genuine, but obviously everyone should check for themselves before sending money to anyone.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 21:49
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I expected to see a lot of Ukrainian tank engagements, they have a well sized and equipped tank force not to mention their own manufacturing plant located at Kharkov. Yet there has been remarkably little footage of tank vs. tank combat.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 22:31
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Hawk T1 + Brimstone? Not a chance.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 22:35
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Ukraine claiming to have downed a Russian Il-76

From The Telegraph, 25th Feb 2022

11:15PM

Ukraine downs Russian transporter plane

Ukraine has shot down an Il-76 Russian transport plane 20km from Kyiv which was reportedly carrying more tha 100 paratroopers ready to launch an assault on the city.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces Chief of General Staff said the Russian Ilyushin II-76 aircraft was carrying landing forces near Vasylkiv, south of Kyiv.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...o-kyiv-latest/

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Old 25th Feb 2022, 22:40
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Baldeep..
Who is 'we'?
You? Your sons, your daughters?
Me? Mine?
All of us. Everyone.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 22:44
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Peacekeepers from nations that are part of NATO though working independent may have stopped him invading for fear of bringing NATO into it, I for one think his nuclear option is a bluff btw
There should be an immediate joint statement from NATO and the USA that any Russian use of nuclear weapons against a NATO country will result in Moscow ceasing to exist 15 minutes later.
MAD worked for decades - this is no time to abandon it.
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 23:07
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Appear to be operating off roads





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Old 25th Feb 2022, 23:20
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Old 25th Feb 2022, 23:33
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Then Im mad too. Id set up a no-fly-zone on behalf of UKR at their request and put Vlad back in his box. If we keep letting him get away with it then those nukes might fly anyway
To me that's just the same as soldiers on the ground which is far too close to an outright declaration. Not a sound idea idea at all.
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