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Old 6th Oct 2022, 12:50
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Interesting displacement activity there, with pen and paper. Quite vigorous at times.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 12:52
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Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 13:03
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Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.
i have a plan….drop a cruise missile into the TV Studio.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 13:19
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Reuters: Most Americans think US should keep supporting Ukraine, despite Russia's nuclear threats.

A recent poll shows 73% of U.S. citizens agreed for their country to continue to support Ukraine, despite Russia's threats to use nuclear weapons, Reuters reported.
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Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.
When one watches that idiot one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. It is inconceivable for most of us that a person can honestly believe that crap! Perhaps SOPS is right!
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 13:30
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Top propagandists on Russian state TV brainstormed about various ways of attacking the West for helping Ukraine: from plotting to kill powerful government officials on "The Satanovsky List," to using energy as a weapon against Europe.
When this is all over, that TV show is going to be an epic source of memes...
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Usual caveats:

"Footage from a soldier of the retreat from Lyman. They were later captured/killed. Abandoned and destroyed equipment all around. Complete chaos."


Brutal CQ fighting - NSFW contains scenes of death(s): https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 18:14
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 18:14
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Creates the illusion of fighting the enemy - even if that isn't what is happening in reality - so much of the Russian military effort seems to be about showing those higher up the chain that they are doing their job regardless of how effective they are at it. 'Look how many missiles we fired today sir' just don't ask where they went!

A national character built on bravado and machismo - why Putin does all that topless horse riding and other stunts - its all about face saving and whatever smoke and mirrors have to be employed to achieve that is fine by them.
No wonder the previous US President adored him.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 18:29
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One Ukrainian battalion… seized 10 modern T-80 tanks and five 2S5 Giatsint 152-mm self-propelled howitzers …

“We started off as an infantry battalion, and now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion.”
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Zelensky calls on NATO to launch "preemptive strikes" against Russia to "eliminate the possibility" of a Russian nuclear strike.

You're watching a movie.
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Extraordinary photo.

Impossible to imagine, prior to Putin’s war, that the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan would hold four-way peace talks with Macron and Michel

The Russian sphere is eroding



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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:42
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Extraordinary photo.

Impossible to imagine, prior to Putin’s war, that the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan would hold four-way peace talks with Macron and Michel

The Russian sphere is eroding
Let us all hope for a rapid and definitive implosion of that sphere.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 19:59
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Russians have landed in Alaska! Well, only two of them. In a small boat. Without arms. Not exactly article 5 type of event.

To make a long story short:
Village authorities on St. Lawrence Island notified the Coast Guard on Tuesday that two foreign nationals had landed near the community of Gambell in a small boat.
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The U.S. Coast Guard confirmed the men were taken to the public safety building in Gambell. Town Clerk Curtis Silook said the men were flown off the island on Tuesday. According to Silook, the men told villagers they had sailed their boat from the city of Egvekinot in Northeastern Russia, approximately 300 miles by sea. Other villagers said the men told them they were fleeing the Russian military.

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/20...ng-small-boat/
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 20:03
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Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R
Zelensky calls on NATO to launch "preemptive strikes" against Russia to "eliminate the possibility" of a Russian nuclear strike.

You're watching a movie.
If that is actually true, I imagine it's Zelensky playing the Putin card on Putin!
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 20:25
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What he actually asked was that, if the US detected the preparation for the launch of a tactical nuclear strike, that they should launch a preemptive strike to prevent the attack rather than wait and do so in retaliation. Thus saving the lives of everyone in the target area.

A reasonable request, but not one which, unfortunately, would seem politically acceptable.

Having said that, preemptive self-defence is a legally sanctioned US concept, just not sure how it would extend to cover Ukraine - unless you argue that the USA would inevitably be drawn in after the nuclear threshold was passed.

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Old 6th Oct 2022, 20:48
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Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R
Zelensky calls on NATO to launch "preemptive strikes" against Russia to "eliminate the possibility" of a Russian nuclear strike.
You're watching a movie.
You can ask for anything, but you may not get it.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 21:14
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I would have thought that a US preemptive strike was already factored in.
There is no way the US is going to sit and wait for Rusk strikes before saying OK now we end this.

As soon as the US feels threatened, (or the UK for that matter) they are going to strike hard and fast in multiple locations to show that they are not pxssing about and that this stupid adventure has now come to an end.
The US could probably send a catastrophic message to Rusk sailors while still having culpable deniability...the message would still get through loud and clear.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey
I would have thought that a US preemptive strike was already factored in.
There is no way the US is going to sit and wait for Rusk strikes before saying OK now we end this.
Sitting and waiting is exactly what the USA will do.
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Old 6th Oct 2022, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey
I would have thought that a US preemptive strike was already factored in.
There is no way the US is going to sit and wait for Rusk strikes before saying OK now we end this.

As soon as the US feels threatened, (or the UK for that matter) they are going to strike hard and fast in multiple locations to show that they are not pxssing about and that this stupid adventure has now come to an end.
The US could probably send a catastrophic message to Rusk sailors while still having culpable deniability...the message would still get through loud and clear.
And there was me thinking that NATO and its members were defensive: pre-emptive strikes are neither logical nor deniable. Besides that, which 3rd party would be pondering culpability after such stupidity? If push comes to shove, the West's own vision of its worth is to occupy the moral high ground.
By all means retaliate rapidly and hard, but I cannot agree with pre-emptive action. If anybody triggers Armageddon, I want to be one of the good dead folk, not the scum.
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