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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 12:29
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Russian TV, I cannot believe these people believe this sh*te

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Vzlet
It is a media joyride, published in 2012, and combat free.
My comment wasn't about Russian multi-crew rationale, or even to support that the aircraft in question was a Su-25, but rather just to point out that two parachutes don't rule out a Frogfoot.
I found it interesting; I had no idea that there was two-seater combat version. I suspect that the rarity of this variant (?) and the height at which it was shot down point towards a different type, but thanks for the informative correction anyway.
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 12:49
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Time to act? Threats of attack on NATO countries, or just worried that we may ramp up aid etc.


Now I can see why they stopped at the Mariupol steelworks, trying to take that would cost them thousands of troops, look at the picture.

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 13:33
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Erkki Tuomioja the Deputy-Chairmen of the Finnish Foreign Affairs Committee reportedly told the Swedish Parliament today that Finland will Submit its Proposal to join NATO in the next 2 weeks.
That comment hasn't been verified, it was what the swedish press wanted to take of it.
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 14:21
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Wagner, a Terrorist Organisation?

France 24 has just presented surveillance video from the French military that supports a scenario that a day after the French military in Mali vacated an area near a village, Wagner thugs turned up, spent time with the inhabitants, and then the next day deposited them in a shallow grave, the surveillance shows the bodies being interred, and then a short time later, the same continuous surveillance shows the Wagner thugs "discovering" the bodies, and taking images that were then presented as purported French military atrocity.

This is the same enterprise that Putin is using around East Ukraine, so it is a fairly simple argument that Putin manages a criminal enterprise that is engaged in international terrorism.




There are no "red lines" with Putin, there is only resolve to stop his murderous ways. Assuming that any response is escalatory is about as valid an argument as it was when Chamberlain met the role model for Herr Putin in Munich on 30 September 1938. There is no appeasement of a sociopath, it is merely subjugation by salami tactics.

If Putin is going to use TNW's then he is going to use them, irrespective of what the West does, as he is on the way to a defeat of arms of historical proportions. Even if he actually wins, he loses, Ukrainians will never accept the yoke of a sociopath, we have all seen the resolve that the citizens have shown, they are not going to accept Putin in any manner, and I do think they have the potential to rout Russia east of Crimea. The interesting thing will be if the residents of Crimea actually throw the flowers to the Ukrainians that Putin expected the Ukrainians to gift to his rancid horde of keggers.

Ukraine's sense of humour is as resilient as their troops in the field, and stands in start contrast to Russian contracted servicemen hating their officers. The recent events with the Russian military have the hallmarks of a widespread military mutiny against Putin and his crimnocrats. Lord, I hope so. "Marine park", good one.

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 14:52
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AN 26 down appears to have hit power lines.

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20220422-0

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 14:52
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That's fine; Ukraine don't have a functioning navy, so the Russian naval forces can act with impunity.
I suppose they could do a Dunkirk if they had to but they would lose a lot more kit.
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 14:53
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Earning their pay. It’s usually on the RQ-4s over the Black Sea with the manned ISR inside NATO territory over Romania or Poland.

With Russia certain NATO gave targeting data for the Moscow to the Ukrainians there must be a few itchy fingers aboard their fleet.



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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 15:03
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Apparently Kremlin has already decided they've won and its all over.

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 15:15
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There are tweets about a Russian news site letting out info of 13414 dead soldiers and 7000 missing, and that the online article would've been deleted in a few minutes after the publication. Afterwards it was apparently claimed to be untrue and made by hackers.

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 16:24
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That's fine; Ukraine don't have a functioning navy, so the Russian naval forces can act with impunity.
The Russians cannot sail within 150km of the coast.
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 16:47
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France to provide long range artillery and Milan missiles


https://twitter.com/search?q=French%20artillery&src=typed_query
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 16:50
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Originally Posted by peter we
The Russians cannot sail within 150km of the coast.
300km, according to Wikipedia
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 18:08
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Romania now going to supply lethal aid, it all strikes me as in NATO’s deliveries as last bloody minute dot com and should have been in place weeks ago.
You can’t fight against an ongoing offensive with weaponry several thousand miles away, give them the bloody Jets they asked for too.



Uk is handing over Challenger 2 to Poland to backfill for the T72’s being supplied to Ukraine.
Ammo might be an issue though as none standard NATO?


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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 19:47
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A finn in the front line has a message.

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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 20:13
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The French Artillery I mentioned has a reach up to 50km, but it probably won’t get to them till the end of the month.
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Old 22nd Apr 2022, 20:35
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US of A still got a bunch of old A-10s sitting around doing sweet tweet?
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 00:28
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US of A still got a bunch of old A-10s sitting around doing sweet tweet?
why do you hate ukrainian pilots so much as to suggest that
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 01:36
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Originally Posted by rattman
why do you hate ukrainian pilots so much as to suggest that
Not sure that Blankbox's comment was inferring anything derogatory. If your concern is that the survivability of the aircraft in the FEBA is going to be low, that is the case for all aviation assets in a space where there are AAA/SAM systems and MANPADS everywhere. The A-10 is an effective weapon, with good survivability, but so is the SU-25 which Ukraine is familiar with, and some other NATO countries had units in inventory (or used to). In the absence of more SU-25s, or ordnance suited to the SU-25 the A-10 is a good alternative and for crews that are already competent in CAS and anti-armor, they would open up new ordnance supply lines in a reasonable response time. The A-10 is a maintainable aircraft, so long as the ordinance is available.

Still suspect that the deterrence given by drone-ISR/arty spotting drone-direct attack, and ATWs is a higher priority at present, but the two avenues of improving firepower are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 23rd Apr 2022, 02:22
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Originally Posted by fdr
If your concern is that the survivability of the aircraft in the FEBA
Yes survivability is the issue, its a whole dumb meme about giving them A-10's, in a contested airspace they would be destroyed even by the russian airforce and ground forces
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