Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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How did you work that out? To my simple mind, since commissioning she has does operational sea training (roughly four weeks which included the first foxed wing landing and launch), Exercise Joint Warrior late last year (two weeks), some flying training in January (a week), something like six weeks operating in the Norwegian Sea and the Arctic in March/April, and just over a month in the Mediterranean in May/June. How many days does that add up to?
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And for about the same price we could have had three America Class Amphibious Assault ships.
Although a bit smaller than the QE Class they are longer than Ark Royal and with a 7.9m draught can operate in shallower waters than bot the British ships QE/PW 11m Ark 10m. Which would have made getting in and out of Portsmouth a lot less likely to result in a courts martial for the captain and navigating officer.
Perhaps we could have bought some Ospreys as well.
I think that lot would put a smile on the face of the Royal Marines and given the UK a credible expeditionary capability.
Although a bit smaller than the QE Class they are longer than Ark Royal and with a 7.9m draught can operate in shallower waters than bot the British ships QE/PW 11m Ark 10m. Which would have made getting in and out of Portsmouth a lot less likely to result in a courts martial for the captain and navigating officer.
Perhaps we could have bought some Ospreys as well.
I think that lot would put a smile on the face of the Royal Marines and given the UK a credible expeditionary capability.
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Now just imagine if there were actual hostilities ongoing and suddenly half of your carrier fleet goes U/S and needs a period of repair and must retire from t he combat zone of operations to some friendly port with the adequate facilities.....like say the Persian Gulf Region.
Where would that be?
Eggs in one basket concept springs to mind.
Where would that be?
Eggs in one basket concept springs to mind.
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It's almost as if someone had a plan........
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There's only two docks in the UK that will take the carriers: Rosyth and Port Glasgow. The latter is privately owned and barely sees a vessel from one year to the next, in the five years I worked on the Clyde I saw two use the dock, both vessels were cable layers.
Getting into Rosyth on one shaft would be interesting as the river basin would have to be negotiated first in order to line up for the dock. Commercial tug companies name your price!
Getting into Rosyth on one shaft would be interesting as the river basin would have to be negotiated first in order to line up for the dock. Commercial tug companies name your price!
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There's only two docks in the UK that will take the carriers: Rosyth and Port Glasgow. The latter is privately owned and barely sees a vessel from one year to the next, in the five years I worked on the Clyde I saw two use the dock, both vessels were cable layers.
Getting into Rosyth on one shaft would be interesting as the river basin would have to be negotiated first in order to line up for the dock. Commercial tug companies name your price!
Getting into Rosyth on one shaft would be interesting as the river basin would have to be negotiated first in order to line up for the dock. Commercial tug companies name your price!
Used more frequently than Inchgreen/Port Glasgow
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Google Maps latest photo shows the two dry Docks in Oman to be filled with several oil tankers.....in questionable states of repair.
So it would appear that 23 Million UKP investment might sound good....but reality would suggest being able to get your prized aircraft carrier into one of them on very short notice would be about.....well.....Nil.
So it would appear that 23 Million UKP investment might sound good....but reality would suggest being able to get your prized aircraft carrier into one of them on very short notice would be about.....well.....Nil.
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Latest nonsense from Sharkey
“The Ramifications of RAF Personnel being unwilling to go to sea.” - Her Majesty's Top Gun (hermajestystopgun.com)
“The Ramifications of RAF Personnel being unwilling to go to sea.” - Her Majesty's Top Gun (hermajestystopgun.com)
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Latest nonsense from Sharkey
“The Ramifications of RAF Personnel being unwilling to go to sea.” - Her Majesty's Top Gun (hermajestystopgun.com)
“The Ramifications of RAF Personnel being unwilling to go to sea.” - Her Majesty's Top Gun (hermajestystopgun.com)
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Google Maps latest photo shows the two dry Docks in Oman to be filled with several oil tankers.....in questionable states of repair.
So it would appear that 23 Million UKP investment might sound good....but reality would suggest being able to get your prized aircraft carrier into one of them on very short notice would be about.....well.....Nil.
So it would appear that 23 Million UKP investment might sound good....but reality would suggest being able to get your prized aircraft carrier into one of them on very short notice would be about.....well.....Nil.
Are you suggesting that drydocks just stand around empty, waiting for a carrier???
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01 Sep 2022 Perhaps accurate detail: HMS Prince of Wales to be dry-docked while HMS Queen Elizabeth takes on some of her tasking | Navy Lookout
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Not a Boffin,
Was that a serious reply?
What shall the RN get for its 23 Million UKP expenditure re Dry Docking?
What lead time is required to get a Carrier into either of the two Dry Docks at that location?
What technical capabilities exist at the Yard?
Was that a serious reply?
What shall the RN get for its 23 Million UKP expenditure re Dry Docking?
What lead time is required to get a Carrier into either of the two Dry Docks at that location?
What technical capabilities exist at the Yard?