Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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I guess SRVL is on the menu: Second British carrier heading to U.S. for F-35 trials (ukdefencejournal.org.uk)
I presume that means using the F-35B Lightning to intercept hostile aircraft. I have no idea if ASW is on the agenda, but it was part of previous WESTLANT deployments with all included one of our submarines. Maritime air defence and ASW are really quite important to NATO, and pretty much anywhere else with a nation state adversary. Forces Net reports her putting to sea today:
The 65,000-tonne ship deploys initially alongside frigate HMS Richmond, tanker RFA Tideforce and an air group of helicopters and drones, before F-35B stealth fighters join the deployment once the ship arrives in North America for the Westlant 22 deployment.
"I’m really looking forward to seeing the United States, especially New York from the flight deck of an aircraft carrier. Getting the jets on board will definitely be a highlight, and operating on the deck with them," said 23-year-old Able Seaman Owen Cooper, an aircraft handler.
As NATO’s command ship, HMS Prince of Wales will remain at high-readiness throughout her mission to the US - spearheading the naval element of the alliance’s response force capable of being deployed rapidly to worldwide crises.
HMS Queen Elizabeth is set to deploy to the Mediterranean and Baltic this autumn, meaning both carriers will be operating F-35B jets thousands of miles apart.
Traditionally carriers have been very important to NATO, particularly in terms of sea control, despite all the media numpties who insisted that carriers exist to drop bombs on targets on enemy shores and nothing else. This of course has been discussed on this thread, on CVF and Carrier Strike - ARRSE, and Late 1970s US Congress Report - The US Sea Control Mission (carriers needed in the Atlantic for Air Defence and ASW - both then and today) - ARRSE. This last thread has a high signal to noise ration and features insights from a former US Navy carrier flyer, as well as links to multiple official documents, including the declassified 1980s maritime strategy papers, and academic papers, and explains things in the terms of the perspectives of the Cold War front line and the implications of Geography, Physics, and Maths.
One last thing - an amphibious deployment in the NATO area is coming up soon.
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Royal Navy’s Westlant 22 deployment begins 27 Aug 2022 NAVY LOOKOUT
https://www.navylookout.com/royal-na...oyment-begins/
"HMS Prince of Wales sailed from Portsmouth today for the east coast of the United States where she will conduct further F-35 flying trials and experimentation with uncrewed aircraft.... ...PWLS will embark a small air group of helicopters and UAV with F-35s to join the ship when off the coast of the US, most likely from the F-35 Integrated Test Force and Air Test and Evaluation Squadron based at Patuxent River, Maryland. Details of the flight trial program are not available right now but are expected to include the much-delayed second phase of Shipborne Vertical Rolling Landing (SRVL) trials that were first attempted on HMS Queen Elizabeth in October 2018. Defining the safe operating limits for SRVL is important to the future operation of the QEC carriers as it allows jets to recover to the ship with unused weapons and fuel loads...."
https://www.navylookout.com/royal-na...oyment-begins/
"HMS Prince of Wales sailed from Portsmouth today for the east coast of the United States where she will conduct further F-35 flying trials and experimentation with uncrewed aircraft.... ...PWLS will embark a small air group of helicopters and UAV with F-35s to join the ship when off the coast of the US, most likely from the F-35 Integrated Test Force and Air Test and Evaluation Squadron based at Patuxent River, Maryland. Details of the flight trial program are not available right now but are expected to include the much-delayed second phase of Shipborne Vertical Rolling Landing (SRVL) trials that were first attempted on HMS Queen Elizabeth in October 2018. Defining the safe operating limits for SRVL is important to the future operation of the QEC carriers as it allows jets to recover to the ship with unused weapons and fuel loads...."
Royal Navy’s Westlant 22 deployment begins 27 Aug 2022 NAVY LOOKOUT
https://www.navylookout.com/royal-na...oyment-begins/
"HMS Prince of Wales sailed from Portsmouth today for the east coast of the United States where she will conduct further F-35 flying trials and experimentation with uncrewed aircraft.... ...PWLS will embark a small air group of helicopters and UAV with F-35s to join the ship when off the coast of the US, most likely from the F-35 Integrated Test Force and Air Test and Evaluation Squadron based at Patuxent River, Maryland. Details of the flight trial program are not available right now but are expected to include the much-delayed second phase of Shipborne Vertical Rolling Landing (SRVL) trials that were first attempted on HMS Queen Elizabeth in October 2018. Defining the safe operating limits for SRVL is important to the future operation of the QEC carriers as it allows jets to recover to the ship with unused weapons and fuel loads...."
https://www.navylookout.com/royal-na...oyment-begins/
"HMS Prince of Wales sailed from Portsmouth today for the east coast of the United States where she will conduct further F-35 flying trials and experimentation with uncrewed aircraft.... ...PWLS will embark a small air group of helicopters and UAV with F-35s to join the ship when off the coast of the US, most likely from the F-35 Integrated Test Force and Air Test and Evaluation Squadron based at Patuxent River, Maryland. Details of the flight trial program are not available right now but are expected to include the much-delayed second phase of Shipborne Vertical Rolling Landing (SRVL) trials that were first attempted on HMS Queen Elizabeth in October 2018. Defining the safe operating limits for SRVL is important to the future operation of the QEC carriers as it allows jets to recover to the ship with unused weapons and fuel loads...."
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A non-sheduled anchoring connotes a postponement I am thinking.
I am not a great fan of the new carriers but that is **** luck and I have every sympathy.
RN's Director of Force Generation - a previous Captain of HMS Queen Elizabeth and then Command UK Carrier Strike Group - all over the HMS Prince of Wales issue.
It will be a major embarrassment if the ship is unable to host the Atlantic Forum on board in New York 28-29 Sep.
It will be a major embarrassment if the ship is unable to host the Atlantic Forum on board in New York 28-29 Sep.
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Just for perspective:
1. HMS Prince of Wales has deployed on NATO activities earlier this year:
HMS Prince of Wales returns from Spain after completing NATO mission - 24 June 2022
Royal Navy carriers ready for Arctic role after Prince of Wales’ High North operation - 20 April 2022
Royal Navy aircraft carrier takes centre stage at the heart of mighty naval task force - 15 March 2022
2. In 1982, HMS Invincible was on one shaft all the way down to Ascension Island due to a gearbox fault, until it was resolved by flying down a new part. In a real crisis Prince of Wales could deploy, but without both shafts she will not be able to attain full speed, which she will need for the intended SRVL trials.
1. HMS Prince of Wales has deployed on NATO activities earlier this year:
HMS Prince of Wales returns from Spain after completing NATO mission - 24 June 2022
Royal Navy carriers ready for Arctic role after Prince of Wales’ High North operation - 20 April 2022
Royal Navy aircraft carrier takes centre stage at the heart of mighty naval task force - 15 March 2022
2. In 1982, HMS Invincible was on one shaft all the way down to Ascension Island due to a gearbox fault, until it was resolved by flying down a new part. In a real crisis Prince of Wales could deploy, but without both shafts she will not be able to attain full speed, which she will need for the intended SRVL trials.
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28 Aug 2022 HMS Prince of Wales suffers technical issue after sailing from Portsmouth https://www.navylookout.com/hms-prin...om-portsmouth/ "...wake visible in the photo, taken as she sailed [27 Aug 2022], appears to indicate only the port shaft turning..." https://www.navylookout.com/wp-conte...haft-issue.jpg