Parliamentary Questions concerning Hercules Safety
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Que????
i am now going to show my niaevity or even naiveity or however you spell it?you get the idea.......what is buff? nigel said that fredders was extremely critical of buff. que??? what is it, does it do? i am afraid that to make myself feel less stupid i now have to expel some nursing abbreviations as you boys do like to use yours!! bob was always using his , needless to say he received some very long awkward silences at the end of the conversation. here goes....SAH,SDH,RIND,TAH BSO!! Ahhh, that's better. while i'm on the quest for more info would one of you boys please explain the different between C130 K and J class hercs. is the difference ones a fat albert one's a fast albert?
last thing before i depart. military families against war are extremely supportive. they have forwarded the idea to do a hercules campaign page and would like to help set it up so itr can help our campaign. i think that the idea is great so i'll be setting that up. anyone civvy wise who wishes to support the campaign have a contact. any other (clean) ideas will be received with open arms, if useful.
last thing before i depart. military families against war are extremely supportive. they have forwarded the idea to do a hercules campaign page and would like to help set it up so itr can help our campaign. i think that the idea is great so i'll be setting that up. anyone civvy wise who wishes to support the campaign have a contact. any other (clean) ideas will be received with open arms, if useful.
Chappie
No shame in you not knowing that Buff is Geoff Hoon, late unlamented Sec of State for Defence - on account of he is thought by many to be a buff'oon.
Keep up the good work with the meeja.
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Keep up the good work with the meeja.
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Thanx Nige....
Chappie...
think ref is to Geoff Buff Hoon....
As for J & K....
K is the older C130...30yrs service ish
J is newer faster /higher operating....????? model
However, it flies slower than 737 at same altitude so CAA wont let it fly in the same airways so it is in a few peoples eyes a white elephant....
Good microwave though on flight deck !!!
Chappie...
think ref is to Geoff Buff Hoon....
As for J & K....
K is the older C130...30yrs service ish
J is newer faster /higher operating....????? model
However, it flies slower than 737 at same altitude so CAA wont let it fly in the same airways so it is in a few peoples eyes a white elephant....
Good microwave though on flight deck !!!
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Oh no LL, severe risk of thread creep now. Can I just say that the J is a fantastic beast and the K is equally wonderful. And we would dearly love to see both fleets have the best possible self-protection!!!!
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Nige,
My dealing with J model were limited, so only going on knowledge gained at the time and some overheard critiscism's...
My hope is all C130's/SH fleet get the kit they need and deserve...
After all the MOD/RAF has a "duty of care" !!!!!!
My dealing with J model were limited, so only going on knowledge gained at the time and some overheard critiscism's...
My hope is all C130's/SH fleet get the kit they need and deserve...
After all the MOD/RAF has a "duty of care" !!!!!!
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thanks boys. i've just realised that by asking the question about difference between J and K i've opened up a large can of worms. i did not mean which if any is the best. what does one have that the other doesn't? please do not go off at tangents and start competing. for the herc virgin here they are both beautiful. wow, i did'nt think i'd be calling myself a virgin again! fnar fnar.
does the buff mean buffoon??? he was a grade a t**t when at the repatriation. made sure that he stayed away from the little people, that being us the bereaved. he stayed in the officers section for as long as he could. made sure he left pretty sharpish. he had no interest really. i guess he realised what had happened as a result of his ability to not have the balls to spend money correctly. i have to say that the wives were far from brill;iant as well. the usual crap it must have been a shock. you must feel awful, how do you feel?!
as for duty of care.......are you sure? at least it's not a figment of my imagination that i've heard it's rumored that the RAF and MOD are supposed to have it, as clearly they're unaware or have forgotten.
does the buff mean buffoon??? he was a grade a t**t when at the repatriation. made sure that he stayed away from the little people, that being us the bereaved. he stayed in the officers section for as long as he could. made sure he left pretty sharpish. he had no interest really. i guess he realised what had happened as a result of his ability to not have the balls to spend money correctly. i have to say that the wives were far from brill;iant as well. the usual crap it must have been a shock. you must feel awful, how do you feel?!
as for duty of care.......are you sure? at least it's not a figment of my imagination that i've heard it's rumored that the RAF and MOD are supposed to have it, as clearly they're unaware or have forgotten.
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Chappie,
My condolences for your loss, whoever/whenever it was....!!!!
Most politicians wont give a rats harris who your family member was, as long as they get the vote for now, not what happens in next conflict....
The MOD/RAF as with any employer has a duty of care....
As Crown Exemption was lost several years ago....
Under Freedom of Information Act you should be able to find this out if no-one here knows the exact year...
My condolences for your loss, whoever/whenever it was....!!!!
Most politicians wont give a rats harris who your family member was, as long as they get the vote for now, not what happens in next conflict....
The MOD/RAF as with any employer has a duty of care....
As Crown Exemption was lost several years ago....
Under Freedom of Information Act you should be able to find this out if no-one here knows the exact year...
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Gorilla...TVM....
Chappie,,
May i apoligise sincerely..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ignorance is no excuse.....
In general i only read back a week or so........!!!!
No disrespect to you or your family was ever intended....
yours respectfully
LL
Chappie,,
May i apoligise sincerely..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ignorance is no excuse.....
In general i only read back a week or so........!!!!
No disrespect to you or your family was ever intended....
yours respectfully
LL
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boys what can i say. the sentiment is there. so thankyou. and thanlyou for sticking up for me. that does n't happen very often!the media is being very helpful and i have my finger in a lot of pies! that's all i'm prepared to say for now in case of prying eyes on this site. lets just say i'm going to hit them hard.
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I have watched this forum with interest over the past few months and I am fully suportive of the great work being done. Having sat close to Flipster on a number of occassions with only a cloiled chain for protection any action that heightens awareness of the plight of the crews who are in essence without voice is laudible.
However, despite understanding the motivation behind the case to ensure the tragic events on Jan '05 never happen again I am a little disappointed in one area. I understand that Nige has the support of at least two of the families but his recent news appearance on BBC West came as a suprise to others who are not so informed. Would He consider contacting the others too explain his motivation and to keep them informed so that these ad hoc appearances do not upset families that are still to date trying to deal with their loss.
Please do not take this as a hit against the laudible work you are doing but there are the feelings of those who have already suffered a loss to consider. A little effort to keep them informed, should they wish, would be appreciated.
Chappie - It may be of interest to you that Buff's pepole were briefed on the families that may be potentially hostile to him, at the repatriation, and thus He was steered clear to avoid any conflict on what ws a V Sad day for all.
Bob 'O was a good man and I very much enjoyed my time with him in Afg. As ever you have my full support for voicing the concerns of those who can not.
However, despite understanding the motivation behind the case to ensure the tragic events on Jan '05 never happen again I am a little disappointed in one area. I understand that Nige has the support of at least two of the families but his recent news appearance on BBC West came as a suprise to others who are not so informed. Would He consider contacting the others too explain his motivation and to keep them informed so that these ad hoc appearances do not upset families that are still to date trying to deal with their loss.
Please do not take this as a hit against the laudible work you are doing but there are the feelings of those who have already suffered a loss to consider. A little effort to keep them informed, should they wish, would be appreciated.
Chappie - It may be of interest to you that Buff's pepole were briefed on the families that may be potentially hostile to him, at the repatriation, and thus He was steered clear to avoid any conflict on what ws a V Sad day for all.
Bob 'O was a good man and I very much enjoyed my time with him in Afg. As ever you have my full support for voicing the concerns of those who can not.
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Filthy - check PMs!
You raise a valid point and I'm sure Nige and Chappie will contact you, as we could do without brassing off any families.
Sadly, I would suspect the gov't and the few friends they have left in the media may try to 'divide and conquer' by exploiting such raw nerves - be careful everyone.
However, I am sure that the families, together with Nige and Chappie, are far too strong a force to allow that to happen.
Nige,
Sorry, I missed R4 this am - what news?
Flipster
You raise a valid point and I'm sure Nige and Chappie will contact you, as we could do without brassing off any families.
Sadly, I would suspect the gov't and the few friends they have left in the media may try to 'divide and conquer' by exploiting such raw nerves - be careful everyone.
However, I am sure that the families, together with Nige and Chappie, are far too strong a force to allow that to happen.
Nige,
Sorry, I missed R4 this am - what news?
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please PM me with the details of those families that are left concerned or upset as a result of any media work. i have checked and double checked that we got in touch with as many of them as possible that continued to have contact. it must be remembered that not all families have stayed in touch as we will always be associated with loss and sadness as we were thrown together by tradegy. 
the families can get in touch with me if they so wish. i do not wish to upset any family member with this campaign. please remember filthy that i too am experiencing the raw ugliness of grief every second of every day. talking about what has happened and what i go through is not an easy task but a necessary evil to help lend support to nigels work.
i do not know what the format was of the bbc points west interview so i do not know in what way i was shown. it is not my intention to offend any member of the armed forces either along side. i am confident that nigel would be horrified that he had caused upset to the families.
i was given assurances by the family members (2 separate families) who had contact with the others that they had got in touch with all that they could. i have no reason to disbelieve them. i also wish it to be known that this campaign was not entered into without due consideration being given to the crew members loved ones.
the families can get in touch with me if they so wish. i do not wish to upset any family member with this campaign. please remember filthy that i too am experiencing the raw ugliness of grief every second of every day. talking about what has happened and what i go through is not an easy task but a necessary evil to help lend support to nigels work.
i do not know what the format was of the bbc points west interview so i do not know in what way i was shown. it is not my intention to offend any member of the armed forces either along side. i am confident that nigel would be horrified that he had caused upset to the families.
i was given assurances by the family members (2 separate families) who had contact with the others that they had got in touch with all that they could. i have no reason to disbelieve them. i also wish it to be known that this campaign was not entered into without due consideration being given to the crew members loved ones.
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while i'm on line i thought i'd let you know that i have had an interesting call tonight.
i have heard what is going out tomorrow on radio four. it will firstly be broadcast at 07.30 then i think the follow up will be at about 0800/0810. it's not normally presented to the participants but the reporter involved felt that i had been through enough and wanted me to be prepared. no doubt that anyone who is listening in on my line will have heard it. i've not lost the plot and i'm sure that i'm more than a little paranoid but there are very strange things going on with my computer as well. it took me three attempts before i could post my previous reply.
anyhoo, please listen to it guys. it should get a bit of attention anyway. nigel is amazing on it. please support us tomorrow. i've made sure my point is made with impact.
i have heard what is going out tomorrow on radio four. it will firstly be broadcast at 07.30 then i think the follow up will be at about 0800/0810. it's not normally presented to the participants but the reporter involved felt that i had been through enough and wanted me to be prepared. no doubt that anyone who is listening in on my line will have heard it. i've not lost the plot and i'm sure that i'm more than a little paranoid but there are very strange things going on with my computer as well. it took me three attempts before i could post my previous reply.
anyhoo, please listen to it guys. it should get a bit of attention anyway. nigel is amazing on it. please support us tomorrow. i've made sure my point is made with impact.
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Sorry I am late on this I have been in transit. Would like you to know that the very first article in the MoS happened very fast and I was not able to touch base with the families. Since then I arranged to meet some of those concerned and I have tried to keep them in touch with events. I am trying to coordinate through one particular family. Please, if you know someone out of the loop put them in touch with me through this thread. Many of my former colleagues know how to contact me. The R4 sequence will be powerful but very emotional.
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Listen to Radio 4!
Radio 4 'Today' (0600 to 0900) is running it big time today Tuesday. Reporter Angus stickler has got it onto the main news as well as a feature in the prog itself. He has just done a 'teaser' at 0640, and the main report will probably be between 7 and 8.
The fact that it's on the news as well as the programme means it will go on other BBC outlets as well.
V well done Nige and Chappie!
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The fact that it's on the news as well as the programme means it will go on other BBC outlets as well.
V well done Nige and Chappie!
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