Parliamentary Questions concerning Hercules Safety
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It is very easy for everyone to move on now that some Hercs are going to get foam. I am sorry, but agree with Chappie. I think we are approaching the final phase, but we have not finished, yet.
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Chappie,
You are being very brave - don't stop.
Sadly, I don't believe for a minute that our politicians will have enough courage to 'come clean', nor to look the families in the eye while giving an honest answer. This is basically because most of the reasons for us being 'over there' are being shown to be highly dubious, if not illegal.
Unlikely though honesty from TB etc is, we should, however, keep giving them the opportunities to do so, whilst also keeping up the pressure on them - as you did very well yesterday - with dignity and honest passion. Sooner or later, they will have to face facts that we hold them ultimately responsible - morally, if not legally and 'payment' is long overdue. The longer they insist in stone-walling you, the more ridiculous they will appear.
But we can't really expect them to admit to anything while the legal-vultures are circling - I like MarkD's idea, tho.
May the force be with you,
Flip
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You are being very brave - don't stop.
Sadly, I don't believe for a minute that our politicians will have enough courage to 'come clean', nor to look the families in the eye while giving an honest answer. This is basically because most of the reasons for us being 'over there' are being shown to be highly dubious, if not illegal.
Unlikely though honesty from TB etc is, we should, however, keep giving them the opportunities to do so, whilst also keeping up the pressure on them - as you did very well yesterday - with dignity and honest passion. Sooner or later, they will have to face facts that we hold them ultimately responsible - morally, if not legally and 'payment' is long overdue. The longer they insist in stone-walling you, the more ridiculous they will appear.
But we can't really expect them to admit to anything while the legal-vultures are circling - I like MarkD's idea, tho.
May the force be with you,
Flip
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There are 5 standard excuses used for mistakes by ministers, as briefed by Sir Humphrey Appleby. The government will no doubts use all ofthem, here they are:
Sadly, rather that admit to a mistake and sort it out, they will waste time, money and effort finding someone to blame etc.
Another relevant quote form Yes, (Prime) Minister:
Keep up the good fight one and all.
FF
1. The is a perfectly satisfactory explanation for everything, but security forbids it’s disclosure.
2. It only went wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budgets which stretched supervisory resources beyond their limits.
3. I was a worth while experiment now abandoned, but not before it provided much valuable data and considerable employment.
4. It occurred before certain important facts where known, and couldn’t happen again.
5. It was an unfortunate lapse by an individual which has now been dealt with by internal disciplinary procedures.
2. It only went wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budgets which stretched supervisory resources beyond their limits.
3. I was a worth while experiment now abandoned, but not before it provided much valuable data and considerable employment.
4. It occurred before certain important facts where known, and couldn’t happen again.
5. It was an unfortunate lapse by an individual which has now been dealt with by internal disciplinary procedures.
Another relevant quote form Yes, (Prime) Minister:
"Britain should always be on the side of law and justice, so long as we don't allow it to affect our foreign policy."
Keep up the good fight one and all.
FF
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There is another way out for the Govt.
Out of court settlement and apologise.
Give the Hercules boys/girls the kit they need.
2GP AT asset self protection overhaul.
Hey Presto.
Maybe we could even promote people for trying to look after their own as well.
Out of court settlement and apologise.
Give the Hercules boys/girls the kit they need.
2GP AT asset self protection overhaul.
Hey Presto.
Maybe we could even promote people for trying to look after their own as well.
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I know, just read it and it put me in a good mood. I have been contacted by a very well connected gentleman who reckons we have a fair wind at our backs now. Let's hope so!
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I'm not joking Chappie, you have come in here, forcefully made your points, taken a few knocks in the process and held your own throughout. Congratulations. You deserve it. If you can take this lot on and earn their respect, you will have no problems with the politicians!!!!!
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Nige & Chappie
It's quite clear, Nige, that Chappie is already having no problems with the politicians! I've seen you both on telly, and I just know we're going to see and hear more of you.
And, as well as being optimistic, as you have every right to be, I believe that the two of you should be very proud of what you have achieved so far.
In awe
airsound
And, as well as being optimistic, as you have every right to be, I believe that the two of you should be very proud of what you have achieved so far.
In awe
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consider it done. i'm sure he'd like to help. i've also contacted trevor mcdonald the tonight show to help, so we should get all planes sorted quite soon. i'll get back to you.
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just thought that i'd let you all know that i have had contact with itv so looking promising on getting some more help. once i know more then i'll let you know. hope you are having a good weekend. unfortunately my husband is watching ultimate force as i type and so i'm trying to be a busy girl as it's had the hercs, explosions and funerals on it! he also reckons that the herc was XV178! needless to say i'm off to bed now.
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Chappie
Indeed it was 178. Lots of continuity errors with regards J & K though.
I'm out of the loop with herc matters as I have been recently posted from Lyneham, trying to keep my finger on the pulse though.
Hope all goes well. Keep up the good work.
Indeed it was 178. Lots of continuity errors with regards J & K though.
I'm out of the loop with herc matters as I have been recently posted from Lyneham, trying to keep my finger on the pulse though.
Hope all goes well. Keep up the good work.
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DISGUSTED....!!!!!!!!!!
Whowever quoted that !!!
"Crew of XV179 were complacent for flying the way they did".......
Take yourself away and have a F@*&%$G word with yourself !!!!
I fully agree the a/c Capt has the final word of the flight profile to be followed given all known facts/intel....!!!
Even as groundcrew i knew a few of these guys, and if i happened to be onboard flying with these guys who i would trust to make the best judgement call they could make given all known issues....!!!
What altitude would you fly given known AAA/RPG threats....????
Fast as hell/Low or Med/High and slow ish ???
As for the argument, would XV179 survived with foam is pure speculaltion/conjecture..!!!!!
£50,000 per a/c !!!
What cost per life on that task...????
Imagine if our other lads were on it....!!! Think of the Mull......!!!!
Think back to X Decking in Op Corporate...!!!
We lost some highly expericenced guys there !!!!!!!!
Also, later than '82, didn't we lose a Sea King on SAR that had collided with a C130...???
IIRC the C130 landed minus 10-15ft wing that was sliced off, but maybe just maybe, XV179 suffered more serious damage than any of us who are still here to bitch/moan/critisize about seem to realise...
Lets not besmirch the memory of those dedicated individuals who paid the ultimate price....!!!!!!!!!!
Crew XV179 RIP......from a respectful ex colleague....!!!!
Whowever quoted that !!!
"Crew of XV179 were complacent for flying the way they did".......
Take yourself away and have a F@*&%$G word with yourself !!!!
I fully agree the a/c Capt has the final word of the flight profile to be followed given all known facts/intel....!!!
Even as groundcrew i knew a few of these guys, and if i happened to be onboard flying with these guys who i would trust to make the best judgement call they could make given all known issues....!!!
What altitude would you fly given known AAA/RPG threats....????
Fast as hell/Low or Med/High and slow ish ???
As for the argument, would XV179 survived with foam is pure speculaltion/conjecture..!!!!!
£50,000 per a/c !!!
What cost per life on that task...????
Imagine if our other lads were on it....!!! Think of the Mull......!!!!
Think back to X Decking in Op Corporate...!!!
We lost some highly expericenced guys there !!!!!!!!
Also, later than '82, didn't we lose a Sea King on SAR that had collided with a C130...???
IIRC the C130 landed minus 10-15ft wing that was sliced off, but maybe just maybe, XV179 suffered more serious damage than any of us who are still here to bitch/moan/critisize about seem to realise...
Lets not besmirch the memory of those dedicated individuals who paid the ultimate price....!!!!!!!!!!
Crew XV179 RIP......from a respectful ex colleague....!!!!
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