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Emirates Application 2022

Old 17th Mar 2023, 19:21
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I am sorry if this is heartfelt.

Emirates has become something that I don't recognise anymore.

The way they treat their employees is so far from what I saw nearly two decades ago when I joined.

The way they tossed away so many in the pandemic made me think long and hard. The way they treated us who were left for all those so hard months - useless, a burden. The way they ruin lives without a care. Why is it so difficult to get some leave to see a family member who may not be around soon? Why is this relationship not reciprocal.

I have gained experiences that are unmatched , I have a lot of thanks to EK but the time has come to move back to my homelands for a more enjoyable , more secure position.

All the best to old hands and new joiners alike. Take from it what you can!


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Old 18th Mar 2023, 03:07
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It was an absolutely vile place to work when I left last year.

The 777 pilots that worked constantly through Covid were all but forgotten about and received little or no recognition for their efforts. I genuinely felt like I had no value whatsoever, as a result I resigned. (No one asked why, they just don’t care)

Do I regret being there, no. Would I advise anyone to go now, defiantly not.




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Old 19th Mar 2023, 07:53
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Originally Posted by VThokie2
In terms of the product yes EK is more glamorous and yes something to be proud of, but a mixture of QOL and pay is usually top of mind when looking at an employer. Glamour or no Glamour is low on most people’s list!

As far as EK staff travel it pales in comparison to a U.S. legacy (or LCC even). We can travel unlimited standby on any US (or Canadian) carrier anywhere for free (taxes on intl destinations of course), Business class standby upgrades for free on our own airline, Discounted firm tickets and the normal assortment of OAL Zed fares (many with J class agreements). For someone coming from a US legacy EK Staff travel is not a selling point.
but it is a selling point... what you speak of is for the employee to travel only and typically on massively oversold flighrs. With EK the network available is massive and the travel discounts apply for you, your family, your parents, sister brother cousins friends etc etc etc... These types of tickets are not the same as what is offered in the US (or Canada). (Not to mention the quality of service)
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 12:14
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Now this is interesting. I have no idea why, however I just got a link to pilot jobs at Air Hong Kong. The part that caught my eye was the fact that because most of their flying is back of the clock ( sound familiar ? ), their roster target hours is 55 per month, AND they offer 12 days on 9 days off rosters. That makes EK look like really hard work.
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 17:48
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Lots of guys leaving for Europe US , don’t know many going to HK - sounds even more of a mess than the Middle East
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Old 19th Mar 2023, 20:39
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Originally Posted by CaptZeloZelo
but it is a selling point... what you speak of is for the employee to travel only and typically on massively oversold flighrs. With EK the network available is massive and the travel discounts apply for you, your family, your parents, sister brother cousins friends etc etc etc... These types of tickets are not the same as what is offered in the US (or Canada). (Not to mention the quality of service)
This line of conversation was directed to a previous poster currently at a US Legacy thinking joining EK, I’ve been on both sides of the coin, sounds like you have not, no EK staff travel is not a selling point in that context. EK has good staff travel but again pales in comparison to most US Legacies. To directly correct you my US airline doesn’t typically overbook (no more than EK did) and yes parents, children and significant others fly for free unlimited. To put it in EK speak we have unlimited SRC tickets for the employee and family. There is no equivalent to a Cat C in the US because again…. we don’t pay for a “subload” ticket for ourselves nor our family. We of course have discounted confirmed tickets but there’s usually no need unless you’re going for a cruise or a wedding. We also have normal zed discounts on other airlines of course (most are zed “lows” which EK had very few of those, they were almost always the more expensive “medium” or “high” zeds). in fact our zed fare on EK is cheaper than EK charges their own staff for a Cat C subload, go figure. So no it’s not a selling point for someone coming from a US legacy, from other parts of the world it might very well be. And I’m sorry but quality of service isn’t too different for J/F class international long haul these days (which I can get for free), EK’s hard and soft product isn’t anything special these days (it definitely was a decade ago). That’s before even going into free jumpseat agreements for the pilots themselves which yes you are correct “these tickets are not the same”, because an EK pilot does not have any equivalent to unlimited free travel as an “additional crewmember” on dozens of other airlines to include cargo airlines.

EK guys and gals deserve so much more and it’s shameful staff travel there was always trying to make money off their own employees, that’s what I was struck by when I first joined EK. This is all of course is assuming you are not too exhausted to travel on the few days off they roster you!

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Old 20th Mar 2023, 09:27
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Now this is interesting. I have no idea why, however I just got a link to pilot jobs at Air Hong Kong. The part that caught my eye was the fact that because most of their flying is back of the clock ( sound familiar ? ), their roster target hours is 55 per month, AND they offer 12 days on 9 days off rosters. That makes EK look like really hard work.
You clearly know very little about the full picture in Air Hong Kong. Comparing EK to AHK, what’s next 🤣
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 00:08
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Accommodation Allowance

Has the option to opt out been withdrawn again? The careers page reflect so but can anyone confirm?

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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Dirtydozen320
Has the option to opt out been withdrawn again? The careers page reflect so but can anyone confirm?
what planet are you living on ?

go do some research on the removal and reinstatement of opt out over the last 5 years .

clueless muppet
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Dirtydozen320
Has the option to opt out been withdrawn again? The careers page reflect so but can anyone confirm?
Too many leaving MH and MS so for newcomers have too fill the empty villa's. Even without a family you'll end up there. They can change things from one day to another.
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Old 22nd Mar 2023, 20:08
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe
what planet are you living on ?

go do some research on the removal and reinstatement of opt out over the last 5 years .

clueless muppet
Obviously you’re ranting once more without reading the comment. I’ve done my research therefore I said AGAIN, nimrod. User name checks out

Thanks Shazeem!
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 06:05
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Originally Posted by request
Hello,

Do you know how long it takes Emirates to say if you have passed the HireVue test?
I did it on February 14, and the status of the application is "under review"... Thank you
Is quite fast actually. It took only 2 days since I did mine until they replied back for the next stage.
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Old 11th Apr 2023, 07:18
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Can someone provide what the Emirates accommodation is like and in which areas of Dubai are they located? Do you have any document with photos or characteristics? Thank you
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Old 11th Apr 2023, 07:31
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Meydan South and Meydan Heights

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Old 13th Apr 2023, 17:08
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Originally Posted by Tortilla
For many reasons we would like to avoid rental in Dubai and we would prefer company accommodation, even if it’s far from perfect. Definitely would be good to find out how it looks, more or less, just to have an idea. Do you have any list of those neighborhoods? I know about Meydan H and S, or mentioned Al Safa, Silicon Villas(?), something else? Are they furnished or totally empty? Maybe we could inform ourselves a bit, before being surprised by company. We don’t need luxury but decent space and house that is in fair condition.
I would not move my family to live in 2-3 bed apartment, so allowance is not suiting me. If they would propose that, that would be no go.
I guess they inform in advance where they want to locate us?
Hello, I have seen that Emirates has updated the Pay and Benefits section on their website and now they no longer offer the 15,500 AED accommodation allowance. Can someone confirm it? Thanks
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 22:55
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Unhappiness

EK seems now to be an unhappy airline to work for, and Dubai is clearly an unhappy and expensive place to live in. Abu Dhabi and Doha sound very similar, with Doha offering even less freedoms for workers and their families.

This is a sad business, a crying shame. EK for one was a truly prestigious company to work for some 20 years ago. It now appears to be a company without compassion for its workers, pilots and cabin crew included.

The crazy thing is that the UAE and Qatar have almost boundless wealth to waste on soccer teams, stadia, sponsorship, and grands prix. This does not spill over to the folk that work for the airlines.

And as for the Asian and Far East workers on the skyscrapers and building projects, they are treated as subhumans. And they are cheated out of their meagre wages. Sickness and death rates are high.

What a shame that such wealthy Arabian countries now have earned such a dreadful image. I fear that the leaders simply do not care.It even appears that they choose to do nothing for their Arab brethren in Israel and surrounding countries. This beggars belief. No support for their brothers.
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Old 14th Apr 2023, 00:06
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Hello, I have seen that Emirates has updated the Pay and Benefits section on their website and now they no longer offer the 15,500 AED accommodation allowance. Can someone confirm it? Thanks
I have heard that this is the case. If you have your heart set on getting the allowance, it will come back at some point. Opting out is simply down to the pressures of supply and demand.

It now appears to be a company without compassion for its workers, pilots and cabin crew included.
As far as I am concerned, the company has always been like this. It's just that in the former years, the better rosters and more competitive terms and conditions motivated people to overlook the more negative aspects.
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Old 14th Apr 2023, 06:51
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is there a training bond for type rated pilots? i have searched and until a couple years there was but not sure if its currently going and how much is it.
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Old 14th Apr 2023, 17:52
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Originally Posted by vennnz
is there a training bond for type rated pilots? i have searched and until a couple years there was but not sure if its currently going and how much is it.
The training bond for first officers and captains is USD 42,000. The bond applies to flight crew on passenger fleet for 42 months. It doesn't matter if you have type rating or not.The bond agreement applies from the final line check and the release to the line. Employees are required to undertake in writing, not to terminate employment for a period of not less than 42 months from the date of the first Pilot Proficiency Check. Should you terminate your services, other than for medical reasons, then you shall be liable to pay to the company the assessed pro-rata bond amount.
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Old 15th Apr 2023, 11:30
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Any chance Emirates will takie direct entry captains from narrow body aircraft? Maybe in the future, once 787 deliveries begin? Something simmilar to Qatar? They do accept 737 experience only and take people for 787 and 777 fleet.
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