EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew
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Put the drink down......I’m saying it’s disgusting the manner in which EK approached these redundancies, if they had a modicum of decency they would have made the commitment to those affected to rehire them at their previous grade which would have cost EK nothing..... why the hostility? It’s better than the crap show that is happening currently!
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That amount equates to 5.5 billion USD and over the course of four months (April to July), that is only 45 million USD per day. Whilst we will not be privy to the precise economic details, we will be no different from other large global airlines, that have reported cash burn rates measured in the tens of millions of USD.
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well I agreee to disagree on the price tag you give,
as half the lessors of EK airplanes are local Habibi connections there are by far better deals on the table than any other airline has in this world
secondly if any airline in the world parks the planes outsourced somewhere, it will have a huge price tag on the parking fees to be paid - they have to get a maintance in place, because even longterm storage does not come without costs
EK gets half of that for free - I am in a very doubt that parking an air Plan in DWC costs them anything
maybe on the paper but not really
considering the fact of 68000 employees at the beginning of the year means that 2/3 of the EK employees are office staff - in other words 1 flight crew has min 2 watch dogs in the office - there is a lot of room to safe. That’s not anywhere near of running slim.
it is very difficult to compare EK with normal airline as they get a huge amount of benefits from their local family ties - tax free, in many areas well under payed (compared to the rest) . Think about the savings in layover costs alone per day how much money that is, which is now contributing the daily survival of the company (normally out of 3000 flights a week, at least 2500 end in a hotel)
and again the numbers on the table are from the mentioned report are by far different to those of any airline in the world, suggesting there is more than enough room for different solutions then the one has been chosen - and of course it does not come for free - but on one end the manager has to agree that his personal profit will suffer as well as all employees suffer from such events - but there is the problem locals don’t give up their profit to share the damage. And as people around here have no empathy for others, nor do they have any respect to their responsibility. they act as they do - no open communication, not the slightest attempt to find a solution together, no option of returns to old rank or seniority, etc
with the published results - EK had lot of problems raising before Covid, If they can’t manage to survive with that balance sheet now
as half the lessors of EK airplanes are local Habibi connections there are by far better deals on the table than any other airline has in this world
secondly if any airline in the world parks the planes outsourced somewhere, it will have a huge price tag on the parking fees to be paid - they have to get a maintance in place, because even longterm storage does not come without costs
EK gets half of that for free - I am in a very doubt that parking an air Plan in DWC costs them anything
maybe on the paper but not really
considering the fact of 68000 employees at the beginning of the year means that 2/3 of the EK employees are office staff - in other words 1 flight crew has min 2 watch dogs in the office - there is a lot of room to safe. That’s not anywhere near of running slim.
it is very difficult to compare EK with normal airline as they get a huge amount of benefits from their local family ties - tax free, in many areas well under payed (compared to the rest) . Think about the savings in layover costs alone per day how much money that is, which is now contributing the daily survival of the company (normally out of 3000 flights a week, at least 2500 end in a hotel)
and again the numbers on the table are from the mentioned report are by far different to those of any airline in the world, suggesting there is more than enough room for different solutions then the one has been chosen - and of course it does not come for free - but on one end the manager has to agree that his personal profit will suffer as well as all employees suffer from such events - but there is the problem locals don’t give up their profit to share the damage. And as people around here have no empathy for others, nor do they have any respect to their responsibility. they act as they do - no open communication, not the slightest attempt to find a solution together, no option of returns to old rank or seniority, etc
with the published results - EK had lot of problems raising before Covid, If they can’t manage to survive with that balance sheet now
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Good to see the owners profits at 1.056bn with the employee cost at 12.1 Billion. 50%Pay cuts ie of 12.1 is approx 6bn .... then 1bn of owners profits could have reduced that to 5bn for the next year. A greater than 59% staff cost saving, and saving of how many jobs and lives not ruined?
32 years of profits and unable to make enough medium term cuts to save the ruined employees lives? That remaining 5bn of staff costs for the following year is 156m a year over the 32 yrs, and gives them free staff for the next year. Even if you just cut the staff costs to 2.5bn for the next year (an 80% saving) and offset the other 2.5bn against the 32 years of profits its 78m a year for the 32 years. Investing in people, I don’t think so!
Other airlines around the world have saved countless job cuts with even a 16% pay cut, BA for example. How can they do it yet Emirates can’t?
32 years of profits and unable to make enough medium term cuts to save the ruined employees lives? That remaining 5bn of staff costs for the following year is 156m a year over the 32 yrs, and gives them free staff for the next year. Even if you just cut the staff costs to 2.5bn for the next year (an 80% saving) and offset the other 2.5bn against the 32 years of profits its 78m a year for the 32 years. Investing in people, I don’t think so!
Other airlines around the world have saved countless job cuts with even a 16% pay cut, BA for example. How can they do it yet Emirates can’t?
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They were not furloughed, they were made redundant. There is no promise to rehire or even give preference if and when the industry returns to normal, just that you can apply as a new joiner.
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After more then 18 years. “No need for you anymore.“
No explanation from our lead..... No, I refuse to call them leaders.
These people are no leaders. They don’t care about people.
They don’t care about families or children.
A leader would say “It’s better if we all suffer a little then some of us to suffer a lot ?
If they had the the slightest piece of a hart they could have picked a different route.
Instead they used the Covid 19 as an excuse to reshape the company. Get rid of a lot of the more expensive crews and scare everybody shitless.
How many sick days do you guys think there will be in the future. I guess .... none.
No explanation from our lead..... No, I refuse to call them leaders.
These people are no leaders. They don’t care about people.
They don’t care about families or children.
A leader would say “It’s better if we all suffer a little then some of us to suffer a lot ?
If they had the the slightest piece of a hart they could have picked a different route.
Instead they used the Covid 19 as an excuse to reshape the company. Get rid of a lot of the more expensive crews and scare everybody shitless.
How many sick days do you guys think there will be in the future. I guess .... none.
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I believe Mach.888 is correct - "These people are no leaders. They don’t care about people." Not only do the Presidents not care, they do not understand the long term value of people. They think the H in HR stands for Hired.
From what I saw of them . . . STC thinks people were put on this earth to be shouted at and fired. The other one thinks people should be ignored. And then fired.
From what I saw of them . . . STC thinks people were put on this earth to be shouted at and fired. The other one thinks people should be ignored. And then fired.
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So now they offer unpaid leave for 4 months to cabin crew and pilots. They reduce the health insurance to the lowest Class E and thats only for the employee and the rest family have to pay for cover yet they announce that they are amazing because they are giving FREE cover for COVID medical expenses and quarantine to all passengers.....
Seriously what value do the staff have here? ZERO. You honestly couldn’t make this up!
Im guessing if your a passenger and use the insurance you will be a redundant passenger and never allowed to fly with them again......
Seriously what value do the staff have here? ZERO. You honestly couldn’t make this up!
Im guessing if your a passenger and use the insurance you will be a redundant passenger and never allowed to fly with them again......
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Unfortunately not one airline has really tried to do the right thing in this crisis. Emirates has and will always handle things terribly because they’re, well, in a place where they are free to do what they want. The UAE is built on the labour of expendable expats.... whether you get driven to work in a nice car, or in the back of a bus everyone is the same when it comes to workers rights. To think otherwise is foolish.
the only thing that has saved a similar bloodbath at other airlines are the rigid seniority driven processes and strong union presence, built up over years. Do you really think Joyce at QF, Spohr at LH or Walsh at IAG would have any issues tossing people out like Emirates if they weren’t being watched? Walsh and Joyce have previously employed questionable tactics to lower the cost base (firing the entire CC workforce and rehiring on inferior terms)
the warnings on here and on the Middle East are clear to all. Not everyone likes the long succession and rigid progression plan of a major airline in the real world. Pointless to winge about the Middle East now that it’s all gone pear shaped.... if it wasn’t already long ago.
the only thing that has saved a similar bloodbath at other airlines are the rigid seniority driven processes and strong union presence, built up over years. Do you really think Joyce at QF, Spohr at LH or Walsh at IAG would have any issues tossing people out like Emirates if they weren’t being watched? Walsh and Joyce have previously employed questionable tactics to lower the cost base (firing the entire CC workforce and rehiring on inferior terms)
the warnings on here and on the Middle East are clear to all. Not everyone likes the long succession and rigid progression plan of a major airline in the real world. Pointless to winge about the Middle East now that it’s all gone pear shaped.... if it wasn’t already long ago.
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SOPS,
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...sked-questions
Maybe do some research before you post 👍🏼
https://www.wa.gov.au/government/pub...sked-questions
Maybe do some research before you post 👍🏼
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I can't see how you come to this conclusion. He was just correcting some stuff stated previously. This whole pay for your stay thing is only reasonably new, and some papers have printed what SOPs stated. Arewegettingjets just pointed to the source to clarify.
Nothing indicating a Costa dweller there.
The reduced medical cover is for those that take leave without pay. And yes that is a sh@t move.
I can't see how you come to this conclusion. He was just correcting some stuff stated previously. This whole pay for your stay thing is only reasonably new, and some papers have printed what SOPs stated. Arewegettingjets just pointed to the source to clarify.
Nothing indicating a Costa dweller there.
The reduced medical cover is for those that take leave without pay. And yes that is a sh@t move.
