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EK to Decommission 50%+ of Airbus A380, Axe 1/2 of Pilots & Cabin Crew

Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:48
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Originally Posted by Kennytheking
I feel humbled when I see many of the names on the list.
You have been given access to a list ?
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:50
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Originally Posted by glofish
Kenny wrote:

"Within 5 years I believe we will see a pilot shortage second to none."

Keep on wishing. We heard that for the last 20 years even as the T & Cs eroded continuously. There is still an infinite number of ball pens further east. The industry has long left any reasonable sense of cost vs. safety, just look at the Max problem, and anything that walks away on two legs after you shake a palm tree will do for the likes of TC et al.
It will be a matter of how many jobs at what levels are available and how low the average pilot is willing to go, before the below par mass is considered. But there will not be a shortage of the latter, believe me.
Ok let's agree to disagree :-)
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 12:59
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Agreed. And we still have those on leave without pay from other airlines employed. It's insane.
And lots of those gone too!, check your sources!
What about ex Easyjet guys sitting at the bottom of the seniority list and are still safe? Protected by higher echelons perhaps?
Now that’s what you should be bleating about not the guys on leave without pay from a soon to be defunct airline!
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 13:07
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Originally Posted by 5star
I also think there is a correllation with raising fatigue reports in the past. Nearly all of them I asked did raise reports this in the past.
And for those familiar, we are not doing legacy carrier rosters here in EK. The Triple had the most brutal rosters in the world awhile back (2-3-4 years back with max 8 to 9 days off a month including indian night turns and ULRs back to back). So many skippers raised safety flags (reports) at that time for which they now might pay the price.? That might also explain why the junior guys all seem to be safe (as rosters are less brutal now)
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If this is true then god help safety, because guys who do fill in those reports are doing it because they believe that safety is being compromised. They dont do it because they are trying to get one over on the company. When crew fear putting in safety reports it truly is the end of a company and another nail in the Emirates coffin for sure. Emirates will soon just be the Gulf Air of the southern gulf.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 14:39
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I know EK are traditionally bad with employee relations but this has reached a new low. I am very sorry for all those who have lost their jobs. The sycophancy towards EK on LinkedIn is nauseating. Well done to the Bognor bus driver for having a sociopathic lack of empathy to your safety critical staff.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 16:23
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Fair points. The fleet was decimated. Unbelievable most of the names on the list.
From what I saw, just when you think they can't do any worse, another name that's a brick in the foundation gets added to the pile.

It's almost like they don't want any experience, flying instinct, backbone or decent pilots arou... oh wait...

(That's not to say those left dont include the above, but the extremes they are going to frankly boggles the mind)

Do they really think they'll be anything but GF: The Even Worse Edition going about it like this?

They're cutting out the roots of the CC community as well. At this rate the survivors in the flight deck will need to pack their own lunch, the remainders will be too busy kissing pax a$$ (more so than currently) down the back in fear of their jobs to attend to you...

Sad
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 17:03
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About 10 CCMs gone. Gives an idea of how many cabin crew. Very sad.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 17:33
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Local pilots are not on 100% pay. This I can confirm. They are on the same 50% deal everyone else is on. Most have housing allowance, so when they say how much per month they receive this amount will be included. I know this because I recently had a conversation with a dude and did the double take when he mentioned his take home pay. When queried I discovered he had included the allowance.
Don said “dude”!?!?
Must’ve seen it on that WIFi. Proves he’s not a boomer.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 18:10
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Originally Posted by Black Pudding
You have been given access to a list ?
Not at all. I have just heard many of the names so have a good idea of the calibre of people that are leaving.
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Old 12th Jul 2020, 19:34
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From Paddle Your Own Canoe....

Approximately 200 Unmentionable Airways cabin crew have allegedly been told to drop an unfair dismissal lawsuit they recently filed in an Abu Dhabi court against the airline or be evicted from company-provided accommodation. The redundant cabin crew were laid-off in the last few weeks as the company seeks to downsize because of the Corona crisis but have been allowed to remain in Abu Dhabi until lockdown restrictions are eased and repatriation flights can be arranged for them to return home.

The group of foreign expat cabin crew have allegedly filed an unfair dismissal claim because Unmentionable has so far failed to explain the criteria that were used to decide who would be made redundant. Hundreds of cabin crew have already been laid off and insiders claim more redundancies are to follow in the coming weeks.

While Unmentionable acknowledges that cabin crew, pilots and other staffers have been made redundant because of the “unprecedented challenges” brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic, the airline has so far declined to say exactly how many employees have been laid off.

During an online meeting with the 200 ex-cabin crew, Unmentionable representatives had sought to reach an “amicable decision” where it was highlighted that company provided accommodation was an additional benefit that they did not have to provide under the UAE’s labour laws.

Sources claim the crew members have been asked to provide proof that they have dropped their case in order to receive the original settlement order, including the right to remain in company provided accommodation – a common perk for expat cabin crew in the Persian Gulf.

If the crew members proceed with their claim, any subsequent legal case could take between six months to a year to be heard.

As of August 2019, Unmentionable had 20,500 employees, including nearly 5,000 cabin crew and 2,184 pilots. The vast majority of Unmentionable's Abu Dhabi-based workers are expat foreign workers and their right to remain in the UAE is tied to an employment visa. Unmentionable has agreed to extend visas for laid-off employees until repatriation flights can be arranged.

Unmentionable plans to have resumed services to as many as 58 destinations by August, dependent on the further easing of lockdown measures and border restrictions. Residents and citizens of the UAE are now allowed to travel freely to and from Abu Dhabi but tourists remain banned from entering the emirate.

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 03:04
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
About 10 CCMs gone. Gives an idea of how many cabin crew. Very sad.
The Smiling Butler too 😭 (hopefully that's not too cryptic but I don't want to name actual names) Put so much heart and soul into everything, a true leader and they punted him too. Absolutely classless EK
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 04:18
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov
Agreed. And we still have those on leave without pay from other airlines employed. It's insane.
The pilots on LWP from other carriers are on a Fixed Term contract. One of the vagaries of UAE law is that those on a FTC cannot be retrenched cheaply (they would have to be paid out the value of their remaining contract) , but those employees who are on an unlimited contract can be.

'Tis a strange world we live in.
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 05:32
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Do you have a reference for this?
This does not apply to those on LWP at EK I believe!

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Old 13th Jul 2020, 05:43
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in the KT I read that the 'Dubai chief of tourism' expects tourism to normalise this year....
And I thought recreative drugs were illigal over here... Does anyone know what this dude is smoking...
You just can't make this **** up. This whole place is imploding and no, it isnt fun...
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 06:34
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which one? There’s so many that your cryptic comment was too cryptic

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The Smiling Butler too 😭 (hopefully that's not too cryptic but I don't want to name actual names) Put so much heart and soul into everything, a true leader and they punted him too. Absolutely classless EK
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 08:25
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At least they have the balls to fight back. I think instagram pictures of homeless crew would go down well in the press......
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 13:59
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Originally Posted by EchoKilla
which one? There’s so many that your cryptic comment was too cryptic
He always had a smile on his FACE... 🤫
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the joker ?
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Old 13th Jul 2020, 16:36
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My friend was a cabin crew at EK for more than 15 years. Impeccable record. Married to a fellow crew member. Few days ago she notified them she is pregnant and went on pregnancy/maternity leave. They terminated her 8 days later with no right to appeal. I am honestly shocked at zero consideration they are giving to their long term staff... It's like you're even less than a number
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mmorel is 100% right. you should see some of the sycophantic comments by EK staff that got fired and complementing EK on social media, Linkedin etc as if EK gave them the chance of a lifetime - never knew it was better to be unemployed and stuck in a country that isn't mine with cash running out. When things get better, loads of them will be coming back with lesser T&C. they are sucking up now to get that access again - mark my word this will happen.

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