Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged
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Ifly, I did leave & for the exact reasons you mentioned.
Many have left, many are in the process of leaving, the attrition rate is huge, because guys are doing exactly what you say you would do.
But if you want to sign up for a $36,000 bond and 3 years to realise everything that has been posted is true then good luck.
And I didn't say you can't survive on an FZ salary. You can survive, but many come to Dubai to save for a better future, a family on an FO salary struggles to saves any meaningful amount.
Many have left, many are in the process of leaving, the attrition rate is huge, because guys are doing exactly what you say you would do.
But if you want to sign up for a $36,000 bond and 3 years to realise everything that has been posted is true then good luck.
And I didn't say you can't survive on an FZ salary. You can survive, but many come to Dubai to save for a better future, a family on an FO salary struggles to saves any meaningful amount.
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IFLY, there's no way to no about the destinations before getting here. It's one thing to say we fly to BGW. It's another thing for a crew to say "oh I flew to an airport while the airport was presently being under attacked and the company knew it was under siege and didn't bother to cancel the flight or tell us" When I joined I thought, ok this company must have a security department and we are going to take precautions. For example, I think the decision to fly to erbil is day to day based on security. But nobody tells you in the interview that the security department is complacent.
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Guys, I'm not a frequent poster so you can take it that I'm only posting here to repeat, verbatim, the comment I wrote on my exit survey when I left FZ recently.
Unless there is a fundamental change in both culture and leadership within Flight Operations, flydubai will suffer another hull loss in the near future.
I made the exact same comment, with verifiable examples of eroded safety culture to our CEO during a meeting. All I were received were rebuttals and platitudes, with some folksy-American wisdom about flyin' jets thrown in. Nothing will change in this company as the all-powerful commercial department have no wish to see change. Those who could effect change have no interest as they'll soon sign non-disclosure agreements and accept their payouts. The only guy who kicked against this was a safety manager who recently resigned in disgust.
If you can accept the level of risk that flydubai thinks is appropriate, then I wish you the best of luck in your career there. You're braver than I am.
Unless there is a fundamental change in both culture and leadership within Flight Operations, flydubai will suffer another hull loss in the near future.
I made the exact same comment, with verifiable examples of eroded safety culture to our CEO during a meeting. All I were received were rebuttals and platitudes, with some folksy-American wisdom about flyin' jets thrown in. Nothing will change in this company as the all-powerful commercial department have no wish to see change. Those who could effect change have no interest as they'll soon sign non-disclosure agreements and accept their payouts. The only guy who kicked against this was a safety manager who recently resigned in disgust.
If you can accept the level of risk that flydubai thinks is appropriate, then I wish you the best of luck in your career there. You're braver than I am.
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very wrong. Sorry
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FZ is a company where you would have to go along with many things to survive. It's all mentioned somewhere but in a nutshell, war zones, night flying, fatigue, incompetent rostering, which is attributed to the bidding system, etc.
Get used to that, and don't let your self feel a second class pilot when some other people will work only 8 days per month, and you 22. Focus on the positive side, i.e the high salary and benefits, the good things you can have in Dubai, the good colleagues you will fly with.
But definitely there will be a day when you feel that you need to move on. A day that you would have had enough of what is going on, not from the airline only but from being in Dubai itself. And then it's time to go. But do so in a nice way, you never know if you would be back one day.
Get used to that, and don't let your self feel a second class pilot when some other people will work only 8 days per month, and you 22. Focus on the positive side, i.e the high salary and benefits, the good things you can have in Dubai, the good colleagues you will fly with.
But definitely there will be a day when you feel that you need to move on. A day that you would have had enough of what is going on, not from the airline only but from being in Dubai itself. And then it's time to go. But do so in a nice way, you never know if you would be back one day.
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This is definitely the wrong place. This is a place where to speak negatively or discourage newcomers about ANY job with ANY airline they wish to seek info on on here. If you need information on upcoming screenings visit the forum at latestpilotjobs.com
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Ok I've been following this thread before i joined FZ some posts are true some are bit too exaggerated.However I've been with FZ for a while now and i would like to share my opinion.Speaking in GENERAL FZ is well behind EK,QR,EY who's the best i don't know but that doesn't matter now.....does it look much more attractive and better before joining ? YES IT DOES.Well one can see that company isn't the best place to be but still it's a fair job.If u are senior enough probably this is one of the best 737 jobs but if u are not then the reality is different.Simply u can't do it on a long run not because u don't want to it's because you CAN'T ...lots of nights and not many days OFF makes u tired.Lack of benefits is also something to consider.Judging the amount of people leaving this airline also tells u that the things aren't great,especially the fact some senior Captains going to EK to be FO's after couple of years flying on the left seat,but that's individual decision more or less may not be associated to FZ i guess.Understaffed for a while now makes u fly around 90 h per month 8-10 days OFF in average.Family people will certainly find it different then the single ones.to live in a nice place with kids will not be enough money wise..not saying that u will not survive but taking in account the school allowance and all other expenses u won't be able to save much.So in order to save some money the secret is to live in some not so attractive place surrounded by sand then most likely You'll be fine.If u are single and smart enough you can make the best out of it i guess.I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to come but if i could choose againg probably i would rather give priortiy to some long haul operators around first.Do i think that this is a good job to join as a DEC ? NO definitely not.This is a good place for people looking to get 737 rating with possible quick command....even though the whole upgrade process is far from good and it's more based on the LUCK and LOTTERY it's still worth trying.So generally not that bad but far from perfect.....depends on each one of us and our goals i guess...good luck and safe flying.
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Hi everyone,
I did apply for FZ and did only one online question and psychometric. All I get from FZ every now and then is emails with lines below;
As a member of flydubai's Talent Community, we want to alert you to open positions in your area(s) of interest. Find out more about the job(s) that we thought might be of interest to you by simply clicking on the links below. Alternatively you can search through one of our #######
Any idea how long I have to wait till good or bad news?
I did apply for FZ and did only one online question and psychometric. All I get from FZ every now and then is emails with lines below;
As a member of flydubai's Talent Community, we want to alert you to open positions in your area(s) of interest. Find out more about the job(s) that we thought might be of interest to you by simply clicking on the links below. Alternatively you can search through one of our #######
Any idea how long I have to wait till good or bad news?
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Hello fellows,
Could anybody suggest in which area of Dubai is it better to look for an apartment for a new joiner to Flydubai? FO with family, 2 kids.
Need to convert to local driving license so driving is not an option in the beginning
Could anybody suggest in which area of Dubai is it better to look for an apartment for a new joiner to Flydubai? FO with family, 2 kids.
Need to convert to local driving license so driving is not an option in the beginning
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If you are European, British or most commonwealth then you can drive on any licence in the UAE. Until you become resident. As soon as you are a resident you need a UAE licence not to drive but only to insure a car. So if you rent a car you can still drive on your licence if you are from the above countries (as does everyone on holiday who needs to rent a car)
If you have a family and 2children I would suggest you want a house not an apartment and I had colleagues live in Mirdiff, DSO, The Villa, Falcon City, Victory Heights, Arabian Ranches and Motor City. There are guys in The Lakes, The Springs, The Greens etc but now that FDB is firmly operating from DWC and DXB I would firmly suggest DSO, The Villa or Arabina Ranches. Just for your commute and also for the childrens schools.
Of course it depends on what sort of quality of life you want and what also you expect but your spouse and children spend a lot of time in thier house and getting an apartment just doesnt seem worth bringing them to Dubai IMHO. As always its all about cost if you think 40-50% of your salary on accomodation is normal (as is normal in UK) then you have a lot of choice. If however you are one of these people who believe that the "accomodation allowance" bears any relation to actual accomodation rather than just a way of keeping your pay element small wrt to your final payment when you leave then by all means please come on here in 12 months time and whinge about how you cant find an apartment for 140,000 per annum that suits your needs and locations!
Re driving if you do not drive in Dubai you life becomes very difficult very quickly you and your spouse need to drive. I know families who didnt have both drive. Their life was a nightmare. You dont want to be getting taxis everywhere you just dont trust me! There is no location in Dubai that allows you to walk to decent shopping AND walk kids to school AND has decent transport links unless your idea of a good school differs from KHDAs.
If you have a family and 2children I would suggest you want a house not an apartment and I had colleagues live in Mirdiff, DSO, The Villa, Falcon City, Victory Heights, Arabian Ranches and Motor City. There are guys in The Lakes, The Springs, The Greens etc but now that FDB is firmly operating from DWC and DXB I would firmly suggest DSO, The Villa or Arabina Ranches. Just for your commute and also for the childrens schools.
Of course it depends on what sort of quality of life you want and what also you expect but your spouse and children spend a lot of time in thier house and getting an apartment just doesnt seem worth bringing them to Dubai IMHO. As always its all about cost if you think 40-50% of your salary on accomodation is normal (as is normal in UK) then you have a lot of choice. If however you are one of these people who believe that the "accomodation allowance" bears any relation to actual accomodation rather than just a way of keeping your pay element small wrt to your final payment when you leave then by all means please come on here in 12 months time and whinge about how you cant find an apartment for 140,000 per annum that suits your needs and locations!
Re driving if you do not drive in Dubai you life becomes very difficult very quickly you and your spouse need to drive. I know families who didnt have both drive. Their life was a nightmare. You dont want to be getting taxis everywhere you just dont trust me! There is no location in Dubai that allows you to walk to decent shopping AND walk kids to school AND has decent transport links unless your idea of a good school differs from KHDAs.
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Not sure I entirely get the sentiment but it is nice to be remembered. I still maintain that life is not as hard in some aspects as many ppruners maintain. As an example I still think those at EK have a much easier life than they believe they do.
I completely understand that things are not as promised but the facts remain. You are not subject to the housing market, you are paid well and you have career options. Personally I really don't think anything much else matters. Being happy, and being treated nicely are niceities. Granted they are free of cost niceities as is respect and professionalism however I don't think that EK is made to fly things they can prove are illegal or dangerous or that they have the sort of risk inherent in FZ destinations. Worked hard, for sure but not illegally (frequently inefficiently but illegally)
I accepted all of those risks until the reward was no longer enough to outweight the gain IN COMPARISON to the career path offered in China.
But it does all depend on what is important to you. To me pay, promotion and prospects outweigh time at home or roster etc. I still do not care how hard I work or what my roster looks like as long as you pay me well enough to compensate me. I tend to find those that complain about time at home or time with family or rosters are those who have the luxury of not needing the money, lucky them!
So to most things my view on DXB and the airlines and life in it have not changed since I arrived. The most dissapointing thing but least surprising thing to me that I learnt was just how little the airlines care about your famies and how they are prepared to treat them to get to you.
The other thing that has changed in my time in Dubai was not so much the cost of living just the fact that the airline when ever given the choice between welfare of pilots/cabin crew/engineers who frankly are the profit element would consistently take the views or needs of office staff to be preeminent. So not to start another discussion on things like parking, staff travel etc but this was in reality the tip of an iceberg that from every way of management can only ever have one outcome and I'm just surprised they have gotten away with it for so long.
I shall watch with interest but not quite so invested from a few time zones away. I personally still cannot understand why so many of you stay. I got what I needed and left. I get the many of you who have no choice as your home countries offer nothing worth returning to but for those of you from US, Europe and commonwealth unless you have less than 10 yrs to retirement I genuinley still dont get why FDB has any pilots in that demographic. I'm sure that someone will post to tell me though
Not sure I entirely get the sentiment but it is nice to be remembered. I still maintain that life is not as hard in some aspects as many ppruners maintain. As an example I still think those at EK have a much easier life than they believe they do.
I completely understand that things are not as promised but the facts remain. You are not subject to the housing market, you are paid well and you have career options. Personally I really don't think anything much else matters. Being happy, and being treated nicely are niceities. Granted they are free of cost niceities as is respect and professionalism however I don't think that EK is made to fly things they can prove are illegal or dangerous or that they have the sort of risk inherent in FZ destinations. Worked hard, for sure but not illegally (frequently inefficiently but illegally)
I accepted all of those risks until the reward was no longer enough to outweight the gain IN COMPARISON to the career path offered in China.
But it does all depend on what is important to you. To me pay, promotion and prospects outweigh time at home or roster etc. I still do not care how hard I work or what my roster looks like as long as you pay me well enough to compensate me. I tend to find those that complain about time at home or time with family or rosters are those who have the luxury of not needing the money, lucky them!
So to most things my view on DXB and the airlines and life in it have not changed since I arrived. The most dissapointing thing but least surprising thing to me that I learnt was just how little the airlines care about your famies and how they are prepared to treat them to get to you.
The other thing that has changed in my time in Dubai was not so much the cost of living just the fact that the airline when ever given the choice between welfare of pilots/cabin crew/engineers who frankly are the profit element would consistently take the views or needs of office staff to be preeminent. So not to start another discussion on things like parking, staff travel etc but this was in reality the tip of an iceberg that from every way of management can only ever have one outcome and I'm just surprised they have gotten away with it for so long.
I shall watch with interest but not quite so invested from a few time zones away. I personally still cannot understand why so many of you stay. I got what I needed and left. I get the many of you who have no choice as your home countries offer nothing worth returning to but for those of you from US, Europe and commonwealth unless you have less than 10 yrs to retirement I genuinley still dont get why FDB has any pilots in that demographic. I'm sure that someone will post to tell me though
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Hello guys.
I am currently a Learjet 60 captain making good money (at least I think so) back home. Unfortunately I am divorcing now with 4 kids and my expenses are just too much. (Having 2 places to take care of and such a big family)
Got offered a job as FO in FZ, therefore looking to make the move to Dubai soon. Perhaps I can save 2000 USD from the housing allowance since I will be going by myself. Can I save that much? Also will get some 2000 USD from the school subsidy. So it is an increment of around 4000 a month. They do pay schooling arose right? And if lucky as you said might get a command in 2 years. So that would be another big increase.
Do you know if having a debt in ME will be an issue? I heard you might get in jail as soon as you land. I went to Dubai in November 2014 and nothing happened. But was told something came out in December 2014 that states so. I am afraid now. I have no issues paying back if I can make arrangements with the bank. (Debt was in Qatar)
Any good advice? Thanks in advance!
Cheers
I am currently a Learjet 60 captain making good money (at least I think so) back home. Unfortunately I am divorcing now with 4 kids and my expenses are just too much. (Having 2 places to take care of and such a big family)
Got offered a job as FO in FZ, therefore looking to make the move to Dubai soon. Perhaps I can save 2000 USD from the housing allowance since I will be going by myself. Can I save that much? Also will get some 2000 USD from the school subsidy. So it is an increment of around 4000 a month. They do pay schooling arose right? And if lucky as you said might get a command in 2 years. So that would be another big increase.
Do you know if having a debt in ME will be an issue? I heard you might get in jail as soon as you land. I went to Dubai in November 2014 and nothing happened. But was told something came out in December 2014 that states so. I am afraid now. I have no issues paying back if I can make arrangements with the bank. (Debt was in Qatar)
Any good advice? Thanks in advance!
Cheers
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If you want to save money from housing "good luck". DXB is "****ty" expensive. Regarding the school allowence, don't know if they pay it if your kids are not in DXB. Saving a lot from the FO salary is "mission impossible". At least from my point of view....
Edit: Having a debt there and coming back is a NoGo!!! At least you need to check in advance if you are in the system. If yes then you need to take some actions.
Edit: Having a debt there and coming back is a NoGo!!! At least you need to check in advance if you are in the system. If yes then you need to take some actions.
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Colo18 there is a way to save money as an FO in FZ but you need to make some sacrafices to do so.
The first step would be to take a studio apartment up in RAK yearly rent is 25,000 Aed for a nice studio.
https://rak.dubizzle.com/m/property-...F0Lz9wYWdlPTk=
Utilities around 1,000 AED per month
Food & drink if modest 3,000 AED per month
You need to allow 1 hour to get to work from this location.
Check prices on Rak dubizzle for al hamra/Marjan island
If you fly close to the max hours your best result is 45,000 Aed per month
Take away your rent + bills and you are left with around 40,000 = 10,900 USD
But don't be fooled to make these savings your living outside of Dubai and your flying near max hours. But my point is it can be done if you take these steps
The first step would be to take a studio apartment up in RAK yearly rent is 25,000 Aed for a nice studio.
https://rak.dubizzle.com/m/property-...F0Lz9wYWdlPTk=
Utilities around 1,000 AED per month
Food & drink if modest 3,000 AED per month
You need to allow 1 hour to get to work from this location.
Check prices on Rak dubizzle for al hamra/Marjan island
If you fly close to the max hours your best result is 45,000 Aed per month
Take away your rent + bills and you are left with around 40,000 = 10,900 USD
But don't be fooled to make these savings your living outside of Dubai and your flying near max hours. But my point is it can be done if you take these steps
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Dear aviators,
Greetings,
I tried applying for fly DUBAI online for the post of first officer but unfortunately I couldn't apply online because I already have an old application which was applied back in 2013 for the post of second officer.
When I try to update my application it keep saying that I already have registered account please update the details. But I don't remember the user name and password and I couldn't retrieve it at all.
When I try to get them through tech support email it's not delivered which was told by e mail through so called post master fly DUBAI.
I would highly appreciate if any of you could help me on this regard.
Thanks.
Greetings,
I tried applying for fly DUBAI online for the post of first officer but unfortunately I couldn't apply online because I already have an old application which was applied back in 2013 for the post of second officer.
When I try to update my application it keep saying that I already have registered account please update the details. But I don't remember the user name and password and I couldn't retrieve it at all.
When I try to get them through tech support email it's not delivered which was told by e mail through so called post master fly DUBAI.
I would highly appreciate if any of you could help me on this regard.
Thanks.
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