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Hey Guys !
I just cancel my participation on Assessment Day for FZ. I went through the online application, the online assessment and the video interview. But, I won't be able to get all the documentation required by the Assessment day (License Verification Letter), so I just sent an email to cancel my participation. Maybe, I'll try again later.
Also, so comments here changed my mind about FZ. I also thought that I was not readY yet to take this assessment, because I didn't prepare myself for this. So, the LPJ is the only way for a good preparation for those screening process?
I've read most of the posts about FZ here and I also tried to get in touch with some pilots that are currently flying there. The funny thing is: The only one I could get in touch with, didn't want to talk about FZ. The Pilot simply didn't answer my questions. But, after all of that, I am not sure if FZ is a good place to work for or not... That question doesn't leave my head when I think about FZ.
I really would like to fly the 737. I would go to FZ for the type rating and to have the experience flying in ME. But, I am not sure the price for this would be worth it related to family, etc.
I'm an Airline FO flying the A320, but I would like to get a type rating flying a Boeing aircraft, something I always wanted, but I never had the opportunity to get.
As I am in doubt about FZ... I went around, now I'll decide to go the alternate or to try another approach !
For those that are taking the assessment...Good luck, if you are sure about what you want and where you want to be !
I just cancel my participation on Assessment Day for FZ. I went through the online application, the online assessment and the video interview. But, I won't be able to get all the documentation required by the Assessment day (License Verification Letter), so I just sent an email to cancel my participation. Maybe, I'll try again later.
Also, so comments here changed my mind about FZ. I also thought that I was not readY yet to take this assessment, because I didn't prepare myself for this. So, the LPJ is the only way for a good preparation for those screening process?
I've read most of the posts about FZ here and I also tried to get in touch with some pilots that are currently flying there. The funny thing is: The only one I could get in touch with, didn't want to talk about FZ. The Pilot simply didn't answer my questions. But, after all of that, I am not sure if FZ is a good place to work for or not... That question doesn't leave my head when I think about FZ.
I really would like to fly the 737. I would go to FZ for the type rating and to have the experience flying in ME. But, I am not sure the price for this would be worth it related to family, etc.
I'm an Airline FO flying the A320, but I would like to get a type rating flying a Boeing aircraft, something I always wanted, but I never had the opportunity to get.
As I am in doubt about FZ... I went around, now I'll decide to go the alternate or to try another approach !
For those that are taking the assessment...Good luck, if you are sure about what you want and where you want to be !
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Hey Guys !
I just cancel my participation on Assessment Day for FZ. I went through the online application, the online assessment and the video interview. But, I won't be able to get all the documentation required by the Assessment day (License Verification Letter), so I just sent an email to cancel my participation. Maybe, I'll try again later.
Also, so comments here changed my mind about FZ. I also thought that I was not readY yet to take this assessment, because I didn't prepare myself for this. So, the LPJ is the only way for a good preparation for those screening process?
I've read most of the posts about FZ here and I also tried to get in touch with some pilots that are currently flying there. The funny thing is: The only one I could get in touch with, didn't want to talk about FZ. The Pilot simply didn't answer my questions. But, after all of that, I am not sure if FZ is a good place to work for or not... That question doesn't leave my head when I think about FZ.
I really would like to fly the 737. I would go to FZ for the type rating and to have the experience flying in ME. But, I am not sure the price for this would be worth it related to family, etc.
I'm an Airline FO flying the A320, but I would like to get a type rating flying a Boeing aircraft, something I always wanted, but I never had the opportunity to get.
As I am in doubt about FZ... I went around, now I'll decide to go the alternate or to try another approach !
For those that are taking the assessment...Good luck, if you are sure about what you want and where you want to be !
I just cancel my participation on Assessment Day for FZ. I went through the online application, the online assessment and the video interview. But, I won't be able to get all the documentation required by the Assessment day (License Verification Letter), so I just sent an email to cancel my participation. Maybe, I'll try again later.
Also, so comments here changed my mind about FZ. I also thought that I was not readY yet to take this assessment, because I didn't prepare myself for this. So, the LPJ is the only way for a good preparation for those screening process?
I've read most of the posts about FZ here and I also tried to get in touch with some pilots that are currently flying there. The funny thing is: The only one I could get in touch with, didn't want to talk about FZ. The Pilot simply didn't answer my questions. But, after all of that, I am not sure if FZ is a good place to work for or not... That question doesn't leave my head when I think about FZ.
I really would like to fly the 737. I would go to FZ for the type rating and to have the experience flying in ME. But, I am not sure the price for this would be worth it related to family, etc.
I'm an Airline FO flying the A320, but I would like to get a type rating flying a Boeing aircraft, something I always wanted, but I never had the opportunity to get.
As I am in doubt about FZ... I went around, now I'll decide to go the alternate or to try another approach !
For those that are taking the assessment...Good luck, if you are sure about what you want and where you want to be !
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Someone mentioned that the education assistance kicks in from age 3 but the flydubai packet states age 4. Who is right?
And can anyone confirm the per diem rate? Pilotjobsnetwork states 125Aed/hr which is too high to be true.
And can anyone confirm the per diem rate? Pilotjobsnetwork states 125Aed/hr which is too high to be true.
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Galbi c,
Education Allowance is for up to 3 children (between 4 and 18 years old) for full-time school in UAE, primary or secondary school. Which can include fees for registration, other costs related to it.
Primary is 40k AED/year
Secondary is 60K AED/year
Education Allowance is for up to 3 children (between 4 and 18 years old) for full-time school in UAE, primary or secondary school. Which can include fees for registration, other costs related to it.
Primary is 40k AED/year
Secondary is 60K AED/year
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If you are lucky from 18 months up to several years. Depends on your experience level and how you get marked in the sims. Any 'acceptable' CRM behavioural marker and you'll automatically have to wait 1 year. (2 sims without any acceptable markers) THE main reason FO's that are ready give up and leave. The system is wrong, everyone knows it but it just doesn't change. Don't think it will ever change to be honest.
I think on average time to command seems to be 2 - 2.5 years. We didn't have any new aircraft joining in the last 9 months but quite a few people left. We got 2 new aircraft yesterday and another 6 to go this year. Add the resignations to that and you might upgrade quickly.
It's also not seniority based. If you meet the requirements you can apply. Irrespective of seniority.
Captains's flight pay is 187 aed per block hr. School allowance can be claimed from 3 yrs onwards. (that's not what your contracts states though but you'll get it)
I think on average time to command seems to be 2 - 2.5 years. We didn't have any new aircraft joining in the last 9 months but quite a few people left. We got 2 new aircraft yesterday and another 6 to go this year. Add the resignations to that and you might upgrade quickly.
It's also not seniority based. If you meet the requirements you can apply. Irrespective of seniority.
Captains's flight pay is 187 aed per block hr. School allowance can be claimed from 3 yrs onwards. (that's not what your contracts states though but you'll get it)
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I'll just say it. Several FOs got dinged with these CRM markers that should have not been dinged. However, there are more than several that were dinged appropriately! You either know your sh1t or you don't. Don't show up for a sim unprepared! Yeah, sometimes you get a sh1ty sim partner DEC than can't speak English and fly the sim at the same time.....just too challenging I guess but good enough to be a line PIC lol. Show up, know your job, and upgrade will be smooth. Don't expect anyone to do your job or save your life at this hole.
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Good Evening Folks,
Its a big decision for me and i feel that i must make a post. I am a training captain on the B738 and FlyDubai is a real option for me as a DEC, and so is Emirates, Qatar and Etihad (when they hire non type rated again) but of course as an FO. I am looking for a long term job. My children are 2 and new born. I am South African and therefore as a new father my responsibilities are towards my family and financial freedom. Those who know will understand. Any constructive information will be much appreciated. Thank you all in advance for your repy.
Its a big decision for me and i feel that i must make a post. I am a training captain on the B738 and FlyDubai is a real option for me as a DEC, and so is Emirates, Qatar and Etihad (when they hire non type rated again) but of course as an FO. I am looking for a long term job. My children are 2 and new born. I am South African and therefore as a new father my responsibilities are towards my family and financial freedom. Those who know will understand. Any constructive information will be much appreciated. Thank you all in advance for your repy.
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Same old, same old......
Allison - Hoe gaan dit?
Simple answer. If you have options in QR, EK, EY and have two children. DO NOT even think about FZ. You may be, "worked to death" in the other firms but at least your family will have decent healthcare, education, money and security. FZ is now a place where you would only go given no choice. If you have choices go elsewhere!
I can guarantee you one thing if you choose FZ the you choose to be a second class citizen in UAE aviation!
Too much - You know where I am! And you know you are going to follow! China longhaul! Do I miss anything, yes most of the great crew, EPC/APC functions, brunches, huge amount of on tap aircrews to party with them and thier families, on the other hand I don't miss :
Decreasing relative pay, NCC, American Mgt, CPs PA cum deity's attitude to pilots, huge standard level differences between instructors, lack of standardization, lack of application of procedures, car parking scenario, being a 2nd class citizen to EK, my family not being important, Dubai's numerous quirks (RTA, visa process, knowledge fees, treatment of workers, banks, du, etisalat, DEWA, the low standard of every single service in Dubai in all the places I just mentioned, the general frustration of simple day to day tasks)
The reality was when I was taking bucket loads of cash I didn't mind a commensurate amount of crap as I took it as par for the course. However as the cash stood still and the outgoings grew it did not stay commensurate. Now I get a larger bucket full of cash 20/10 comute to my happy family at home and all the local bull**** is done for me by the airline. Yes I still had to stand around for hours in police stations, civial avaition and jump through hoops but the hoops are well catered and not school yard level, most importatnly my family aren't subjected to it.
It feels as if I graduated to the real world and cannot believe I ever let Dubai make me think I was where I should be for my family and future when you can have it all if you commute. Good pay, good roster, long haul, great planes, great engineering, OCC who listen to the pilot first and get their postion as advisors not tellers. I never have to argue about fuel, weather options inflight contingency, I have a rigid SOP which every pilot follows to the letter, no interpretation, just by the book every time.
I simply cannot believe that any pilot, with a choice, would now that FZ has matured choose it over the ME Big 3. Yes they whinge on EK pages too but that is mostly because they do not know how good they have it! The reality is that my life was heavly intertwined with both airlines when I was in DXB. In fact I had more friends in EK than FZ and there is simply no reason to stay in FZ if EK is an option.
For those who cite quick command, yep I thought that and that was my main driver in FZ over QR, EY which i had as options when I joined FZ but even that makes no difference in the long run.
At the end of the day unless you are a high hour FO who wants a quick command to take and run away as a DEC to China or somewhere similar there is very very little gain if none in FZ. It simply isnt worth what comes with it.
Too much, high energy, lostint2, transport jock, dubaigong, GSXTY, Old King Coal, Randy BMC have enough stories to make your toes curl! In fact if we got together and wrote a book it would for sure become a Hollywood epic. I remember a very very good conversation with RandyBMC in person in 2012 about the future of FZ considering he was an instructor and how they treated him which caused him to finally take his leave what he said to me could not have been more prophetic.
I wish I had listened to him tell it how it was then and left for an opportunity that I have now ended up, as if full circle, in anyway! Suffice to say that is life. If only someone like RandyBMC was in the big seat rather than the incompetent idiot JV then then perhaps one more crew would be alive and the airline would not be in freefall. But hey that's just my view! And I have voted with my feet. In fact we are now days away from the anniversary of my resignation and FZ is becoming that bad dream that you arent sure if it was true or not.
Get yourselves to China chaps at least come and look, you will be pleasantyl surprised!
Simple answer. If you have options in QR, EK, EY and have two children. DO NOT even think about FZ. You may be, "worked to death" in the other firms but at least your family will have decent healthcare, education, money and security. FZ is now a place where you would only go given no choice. If you have choices go elsewhere!
I can guarantee you one thing if you choose FZ the you choose to be a second class citizen in UAE aviation!
Too much - You know where I am! And you know you are going to follow! China longhaul! Do I miss anything, yes most of the great crew, EPC/APC functions, brunches, huge amount of on tap aircrews to party with them and thier families, on the other hand I don't miss :
Decreasing relative pay, NCC, American Mgt, CPs PA cum deity's attitude to pilots, huge standard level differences between instructors, lack of standardization, lack of application of procedures, car parking scenario, being a 2nd class citizen to EK, my family not being important, Dubai's numerous quirks (RTA, visa process, knowledge fees, treatment of workers, banks, du, etisalat, DEWA, the low standard of every single service in Dubai in all the places I just mentioned, the general frustration of simple day to day tasks)
The reality was when I was taking bucket loads of cash I didn't mind a commensurate amount of crap as I took it as par for the course. However as the cash stood still and the outgoings grew it did not stay commensurate. Now I get a larger bucket full of cash 20/10 comute to my happy family at home and all the local bull**** is done for me by the airline. Yes I still had to stand around for hours in police stations, civial avaition and jump through hoops but the hoops are well catered and not school yard level, most importatnly my family aren't subjected to it.
It feels as if I graduated to the real world and cannot believe I ever let Dubai make me think I was where I should be for my family and future when you can have it all if you commute. Good pay, good roster, long haul, great planes, great engineering, OCC who listen to the pilot first and get their postion as advisors not tellers. I never have to argue about fuel, weather options inflight contingency, I have a rigid SOP which every pilot follows to the letter, no interpretation, just by the book every time.
I simply cannot believe that any pilot, with a choice, would now that FZ has matured choose it over the ME Big 3. Yes they whinge on EK pages too but that is mostly because they do not know how good they have it! The reality is that my life was heavly intertwined with both airlines when I was in DXB. In fact I had more friends in EK than FZ and there is simply no reason to stay in FZ if EK is an option.
For those who cite quick command, yep I thought that and that was my main driver in FZ over QR, EY which i had as options when I joined FZ but even that makes no difference in the long run.
At the end of the day unless you are a high hour FO who wants a quick command to take and run away as a DEC to China or somewhere similar there is very very little gain if none in FZ. It simply isnt worth what comes with it.
Too much, high energy, lostint2, transport jock, dubaigong, GSXTY, Old King Coal, Randy BMC have enough stories to make your toes curl! In fact if we got together and wrote a book it would for sure become a Hollywood epic. I remember a very very good conversation with RandyBMC in person in 2012 about the future of FZ considering he was an instructor and how they treated him which caused him to finally take his leave what he said to me could not have been more prophetic.
I wish I had listened to him tell it how it was then and left for an opportunity that I have now ended up, as if full circle, in anyway! Suffice to say that is life. If only someone like RandyBMC was in the big seat rather than the incompetent idiot JV then then perhaps one more crew would be alive and the airline would not be in freefall. But hey that's just my view! And I have voted with my feet. In fact we are now days away from the anniversary of my resignation and FZ is becoming that bad dream that you arent sure if it was true or not.
Get yourselves to China chaps at least come and look, you will be pleasantyl surprised!
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Get yourselves to China and commute? Really?
Notwithstanding your honest first hand feedback of FZ, I don't think China is the place for any longer term plans. A stop gap perhaps or for those close to retirement.
Flown with many who have flown in China and very few stay longer than a few years before packing it in. I guess the odd left seat contract from your home base could work but not sure how many positions of that type are available.
Sad to hear about the degradation of FZ and specifically that tragic accident, but was it ever the first choice in the region? Short haul/night/turn arounds are never going to be wildly appealing. I think your thoughts on a quick command and moving on are accurate. Otherwise, EK,EY,QR are much better longer term options, even starting as an FO- no doubt.
Get yourselves to China and commute? Really?
Notwithstanding your honest first hand feedback of FZ, I don't think China is the place for any longer term plans. A stop gap perhaps or for those close to retirement.
Flown with many who have flown in China and very few stay longer than a few years before packing it in. I guess the odd left seat contract from your home base could work but not sure how many positions of that type are available.
Sad to hear about the degradation of FZ and specifically that tragic accident, but was it ever the first choice in the region? Short haul/night/turn arounds are never going to be wildly appealing. I think your thoughts on a quick command and moving on are accurate. Otherwise, EK,EY,QR are much better longer term options, even starting as an FO- no doubt.
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Can an FO from FZ be hired by any of the other airlines in the UAE? What are your realistic chance of being hired by EK if you work for FZ? How soon can you cross over?
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Ifly462 EK will take you direct if you have 3 yrs in FZ. You can literally finish FZ on one day and start at EK the next. I personally know 9 pilots who have gone direct from FZ to EK.
However going from FZ to QR or EY is not so easy. Technically you need 12 clear months without a UAE visa. The rule of course is unwritten. However I had personal experience of going through selection post FZ to be told, oh sorry we just noticed you're FZ come back in 12 months!
Allegedly you basically need to leave UAE or work in a non airline job to fufill this criteria. I know of one who went to ET for a year and did indeed them move from EK to EY. ( The same rule applies to them.)
This is why I urge peope to choose wisely as movement from FZ is basically only directly available to EK and that only after 3 years by which time you will either have just got command or be very close and then likely will not want to move until you have got 300 then 500 then 1000 then 1500hrs.
Then unless you move as an SFI as 4 of the 9 mentioned above did you move back to being an FO but on longhaul. Granted yes you have the 737 PIC to fall back on but in 5 yrs time when you were once a captain on B737 and you are now a 4000hr FO on B777/787 then you are still an FO if you decide to move to a new airline or if your sandbag of crap is full.
Join longhaul now if you are headed that way in the long run and you will be a longhaul captain quicker. You wont have a problem getting a job at home with a longhaul command under your belt but the opposite isn't true.
From my point of view I always wanted longhaul but I wanted a quick command as a back up.
However going from FZ to QR or EY is not so easy. Technically you need 12 clear months without a UAE visa. The rule of course is unwritten. However I had personal experience of going through selection post FZ to be told, oh sorry we just noticed you're FZ come back in 12 months!
Allegedly you basically need to leave UAE or work in a non airline job to fufill this criteria. I know of one who went to ET for a year and did indeed them move from EK to EY. ( The same rule applies to them.)
This is why I urge peope to choose wisely as movement from FZ is basically only directly available to EK and that only after 3 years by which time you will either have just got command or be very close and then likely will not want to move until you have got 300 then 500 then 1000 then 1500hrs.
Then unless you move as an SFI as 4 of the 9 mentioned above did you move back to being an FO but on longhaul. Granted yes you have the 737 PIC to fall back on but in 5 yrs time when you were once a captain on B737 and you are now a 4000hr FO on B777/787 then you are still an FO if you decide to move to a new airline or if your sandbag of crap is full.
Join longhaul now if you are headed that way in the long run and you will be a longhaul captain quicker. You wont have a problem getting a job at home with a longhaul command under your belt but the opposite isn't true.
From my point of view I always wanted longhaul but I wanted a quick command as a back up.
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Qatar seems to be accepting flydubai pilots suddenly on the 777. It all depends on what the airlines want. They can bend any of their rules to suit their needs. You just need to be in the right place at the right time and have some luck on your side. EY is still a no-go but again that can change at any time.
You are always very passionate about your views VT. It's been interesting to see them change. Glad you finally caught up. Helo pilots are not known for their fast thinking, but they can lift heavy things.
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Update from Sardinia (here on contract here for next few months, and loving it): Am presently down by the quayside, drinking a beer (several, actually), eating salami (of the real porcine variety no less!), watching some scorchingly hot women (whom are evidently wearing very little) walking by,... I dwell back to my time in the sandpit and wonder why, oh why, did I put up with that crap for so long?!
Q) Best thing I ever did in the sandpit?
A) Leave it!
Listen well to VT, he speaks wise words!
Q) Best thing I ever did in the sandpit?
A) Leave it!
Listen well to VT, he speaks wise words!
Good hear OKC