DEC's at EK
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No communication from anyone, no one knows what the real picture is, morale at an even lower level than this time last year, an unprecedented level of unhappy pilots etc, etc. Me thinks it's time for another BIG meeting. 
I hear that the daft rule for Accelerated Transitions will be dropped plus maybe regular transition upgrades as well.
The company have been getting generally abysmal candidates for DEC's lately, there are some shocking stories told by TRE's who do the SIM rides.
There are plenty of us with 3000+ command time on heavy jets at EK, we are a known quantity, use us!!
Maybe the company has smelt the coffee, or is that shisha round these parts
Then again maybe not 
EGGW
The company have been getting generally abysmal candidates for DEC's lately, there are some shocking stories told by TRE's who do the SIM rides.
There are plenty of us with 3000+ command time on heavy jets at EK, we are a known quantity, use us!!
Maybe the company has smelt the coffee, or is that shisha round these parts
Then again maybe not EGGW
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New DEC Criteria
Guys,
I hate to tell you, but the entry requirements for DEC's has now been changed on the recuirtment website. Yes it has gone down to 8000hrs.
As usual the management have not shown the people making money for them any consideration by letting us know first. What a surprise????
I guess I will just keep shut and soldier on for another X years, whilst I baby sit someone with less experience than me.
I hate to tell you, but the entry requirements for DEC's has now been changed on the recuirtment website. Yes it has gone down to 8000hrs.
As usual the management have not shown the people making money for them any consideration by letting us know first. What a surprise????
I guess I will just keep shut and soldier on for another X years, whilst I baby sit someone with less experience than me.
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More evidence that no one in this company thinks. Do they reckon that the difference between 8-10 000 hours will bring the DECs?
All that it will do is turn off more FOs who now prepare themselves for babysitting duties and the company will have to cope with CAs with no history in the airline.
More evidence of the EK management's shotgun approach to their work. Nothing thought out for more than the next ten minutes, nothing about long term implications, in short no chance all round.
All that it will do is turn off more FOs who now prepare themselves for babysitting duties and the company will have to cope with CAs with no history in the airline.
More evidence of the EK management's shotgun approach to their work. Nothing thought out for more than the next ten minutes, nothing about long term implications, in short no chance all round.
However, if you make the DEC current requirements that are now out there, i would be prepared for an e-mail/phone call if you are in EK.
At least its an acknowledgement that they screwed up with the original "plan". It is good news that EK will have to use the best guys for Captains, their own F/O's
I understand that there is a lot of chaos in Flt Ops at the moment, one sacking i've heard about, plus much else.
EGGW.
At least its an acknowledgement that they screwed up with the original "plan". It is good news that EK will have to use the best guys for Captains, their own F/O's
I understand that there is a lot of chaos in Flt Ops at the moment, one sacking i've heard about, plus much else.
EGGW.
I guess the guys that have already done the three years (on both fleets) will get the calls . And then if needed, anyone who may be accellerated, right EGGW? Wouldn't it only be when that happens, that an acknowledgement that the original plan was a screw up be made?
I'll believe it when I see it.
Don
I'll believe it when I see it.
Don
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Always Look On The Bright Side
Can anyone remember TCAS making a case for the high upgrade requirements in one of the management propoganda leaflets (Fleet Update). I think he said something about safety and the Gulf Air crash. I guess my 10000+ and 2.5 years in EK makes me less safe than the 8000 unknown hours.
BUT the Bright Side, I guess if the goalposts can be lowered for new joiners they can be lowered for loyal staff. Get rid of the 3 year requirement as it only looks foolish in the light of the DEC debacle(Wide body only please to who knows what next week) and allow people in the company a fair crack of the whip.
Whooops, sorry I had shisha for the 1st time and it has gone to my head. It will never happen because we are HERE and once in they don't really care.
And before anyone gets on their high horse about knowing it was at least 3 years to command, I know, but times are changing, just not for the people actually keeping the expansion going, which is my gripe. Just think about how many more unhappy campers there will be in a few months when the latest fiddle does not work and our beloved DEC's start getting offered even more money to join. Think it won't happen, watch this space!!!!!!!
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BUT the Bright Side, I guess if the goalposts can be lowered for new joiners they can be lowered for loyal staff. Get rid of the 3 year requirement as it only looks foolish in the light of the DEC debacle(Wide body only please to who knows what next week) and allow people in the company a fair crack of the whip.
Whooops, sorry I had shisha for the 1st time and it has gone to my head. It will never happen because we are HERE and once in they don't really care.And before anyone gets on their high horse about knowing it was at least 3 years to command, I know, but times are changing, just not for the people actually keeping the expansion going, which is my gripe. Just think about how many more unhappy campers there will be in a few months when the latest fiddle does not work and our beloved DEC's start getting offered even more money to join. Think it won't happen, watch this space!!!!!!!
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Good or bad
I've been reading all the posts here and it seems that EK is not a very good place to work at. At least not at the moment. Can you guys post something good. I am with one of the two US carriers that is bankrupt(don't want to mention which) and I am considering leaving. EK sounds to good to be true! Is that the truth... Are u guys having fun? Are the FAs good looking and 'loose'? Are you guys having 'LAYovers' instead of overnights;-)? GIve me the juicy stuff!!!!
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OK, Jam Yo, here goes a mixed bag of good and not terribly bad
The company makes lots of profit
It pays your wages on time
You might get up to 42 days leave a year
You get to request all your flights, but......
Many of the FA's are young and great looking (hope you have deep pockets)
Average age of FA's is less than 25
Average iq about .....
They are available for fun, in Dubai
But rarely down route.... Too tired, slam click
Unless of course you are under 35, and slightly cute, then they will be all over you
The company makes lots of profit
It pays your wages on time
You might get up to 42 days leave a year
You get to request all your flights, but......
Many of the FA's are young and great looking (hope you have deep pockets)
Average age of FA's is less than 25
Average iq about .....
They are available for fun, in Dubai
But rarely down route.... Too tired, slam click
Unless of course you are under 35, and slightly cute, then they will be all over you
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Life doesn't look too smart in EK then from what I read here, and have passed on from buddies. Why is it that with a shortage of qualified pilots around the planet we are still treated collectively so badly by our employers?
EK looks as though it is very short, have they considered opening a London base or do you have someone who is looking to feed his buddies in from the 'States? If they grasp the London nettle they will get quite a few well qualified and experienced people from BAW who are sitting in the bottom third of our list looking skyward through a bunch of youngsters. Their prospects are not brilliant (though they knew that when they joined) and they are 'hot to trot' now that they are type rated and experienced. Frying pan into the fire? The very prospect of this must make F/O's seethe, it would me.
'The grass is always greener.'
EK looks as though it is very short, have they considered opening a London base or do you have someone who is looking to feed his buddies in from the 'States? If they grasp the London nettle they will get quite a few well qualified and experienced people from BAW who are sitting in the bottom third of our list looking skyward through a bunch of youngsters. Their prospects are not brilliant (though they knew that when they joined) and they are 'hot to trot' now that they are type rated and experienced. Frying pan into the fire? The very prospect of this must make F/O's seethe, it would me.
'The grass is always greener.'
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EK DEC"s Pay Offer of 38,000 Dhs - Fact or Fiction
In the thread here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=225982&page=2, New Tomcat alleges that many were offered a salary of 38,000 Dhs.
This needs to be clarified once and for all, because Emirates has specifically denied (in writing) that this is the case.
Either Emirates management is telling "porkies", or New Tomcat is fudging the truth.
Over to you New Tomcat to substantiate your side of the story and demonstrate in writing that your figures are correct. If you were indeed offered 38,000 Dhs, did it include a component of overtime or was it a base salary? Who specifically made the offer ?
I think all of us are very keen to find out the truth with this, as I know a lot of us believed what management told us when they refuted this figure.
handing over..................
This needs to be clarified once and for all, because Emirates has specifically denied (in writing) that this is the case.
Either Emirates management is telling "porkies", or New Tomcat is fudging the truth.
Over to you New Tomcat to substantiate your side of the story and demonstrate in writing that your figures are correct. If you were indeed offered 38,000 Dhs, did it include a component of overtime or was it a base salary? Who specifically made the offer ?
I think all of us are very keen to find out the truth with this, as I know a lot of us believed what management told us when they refuted this figure.
handing over..................
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Whoever Tomcat is you will probably have to wait a while before someone from management answers here.
36000 sounds right. Its 27000 that sounds wrong. 7% just doesnt cut it. Sorry, but the living cost is not following the salary. Wait 6 months and you will see people leave. It takes about that time to get a new job and resign. And that is just as they expect to start training for the A380. DEC will line up for that one...boy oh boy...we live in interesting times. If you widen the scope a little the US/Iran thing might just cock things up for us
36000 sounds right. Its 27000 that sounds wrong. 7% just doesnt cut it. Sorry, but the living cost is not following the salary. Wait 6 months and you will see people leave. It takes about that time to get a new job and resign. And that is just as they expect to start training for the A380. DEC will line up for that one...boy oh boy...we live in interesting times. If you widen the scope a little the US/Iran thing might just cock things up for us
Guy's are negotiating their own personal deals....and there's no point whinging about it...nothing will be done.....NO union protection to safeguard existing loyal hard working troops...It's time the army marched.
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Americans Hired As DEC at Emirates
I have heard that EK has been picking up experienced Capts and FOs from US airlines like Northwest, United and Delta and putting them into PIC positions on the 777 and A330/40. Clearly, most of them don't or have not read any of these Pprune posts related to EK. Evidently they were swooned at well-attended "road shows" in the States and there were many yanks interested in moving all the way to the desert and even resigning their positions at these carriers.
I can understand why a Northwest or Delta pilot near retirement age (mid to latter 50s) might be interested in giving EK a shot (especially as a 777 DEC), but when I hear that 45 or 50 year old pilots are willing to quit their current positions at their recovering airlines and head to EK it makes me sick. I wish them luck.
What promises (other than 777 DEC positions) were they given that would be so "enticing" for them to leave the States and trek all the way to the super high-inflation capital of the world? What deals are they getting beyond PIC position that others aren't getting? Why would you leave the protection that a union can afford and move to an airline where your terms can change on a dime at any time? Are they promising them A380 captain slots too?
I can understand why a Northwest or Delta pilot near retirement age (mid to latter 50s) might be interested in giving EK a shot (especially as a 777 DEC), but when I hear that 45 or 50 year old pilots are willing to quit their current positions at their recovering airlines and head to EK it makes me sick. I wish them luck.
What promises (other than 777 DEC positions) were they given that would be so "enticing" for them to leave the States and trek all the way to the super high-inflation capital of the world? What deals are they getting beyond PIC position that others aren't getting? Why would you leave the protection that a union can afford and move to an airline where your terms can change on a dime at any time? Are they promising them A380 captain slots too?