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Oh dear oh dear,
Mascarpone you have some serious issues Im not a trick cyclist but I suspect you would present a bagfull of problems.
Your rant is wrong on so many counts try spelling(copying) correctly for a start it is Quod not Quad(Latin).
It is hard being an FO these days,but like us all they will swop seats in due course, but to afford my comfortable lifestyle I am a captain and have been for some considerable time.The majority of our FOs are excellent I thank my lucky stars you are not one.
Unlike you our FOs are PILOTS and this is a PILOTS Rumour site you are a guest and all guests are welcome you however need to take your Prozac and evaluate your anger..You have overstayed and really should be on less demanding site.
Sesame street or perhaps some colouring in,dot to dot perhaps?
Now Im off to fly big,shiny toys with RR engines and you my son/dear will never be able to comment on an intelligent level with me or any other EK pilot until you too hold a licence and do the job.When you do,most will read and listen then you will earn respect.At present you earn none.
Even if not an EK pilot make articulate valid comments dont rant.
It is little wonder EK cabin crew morale is in the state it is with the likes of you and I am starting to hoist on board quite what a task"TD" has on his hands now I know who "TD" is.
Now,before you respond in your next rant think about the above and if its not intelligent or witty or humourous or valid???
FOXTROT OSCAR.(Thats phonetic,not Latin just in case)
QB
Mascarpone you have some serious issues Im not a trick cyclist but I suspect you would present a bagfull of problems.
Your rant is wrong on so many counts try spelling(copying) correctly for a start it is Quod not Quad(Latin).
It is hard being an FO these days,but like us all they will swop seats in due course, but to afford my comfortable lifestyle I am a captain and have been for some considerable time.The majority of our FOs are excellent I thank my lucky stars you are not one.
Unlike you our FOs are PILOTS and this is a PILOTS Rumour site you are a guest and all guests are welcome you however need to take your Prozac and evaluate your anger..You have overstayed and really should be on less demanding site.
Sesame street or perhaps some colouring in,dot to dot perhaps?
Now Im off to fly big,shiny toys with RR engines and you my son/dear will never be able to comment on an intelligent level with me or any other EK pilot until you too hold a licence and do the job.When you do,most will read and listen then you will earn respect.At present you earn none.
Even if not an EK pilot make articulate valid comments dont rant.
It is little wonder EK cabin crew morale is in the state it is with the likes of you and I am starting to hoist on board quite what a task"TD" has on his hands now I know who "TD" is.
Now,before you respond in your next rant think about the above and if its not intelligent or witty or humourous or valid???
FOXTROT OSCAR.(Thats phonetic,not Latin just in case)
QB
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Maybe, just maybe, the time has come for Pilots in this airline (EK) to STOP playing Mr. CRM Nice Guy and take a stand against those contemptuous cabin crew who don't know their place!
(Before I create a revolt, if you're pleasant and well mannered or if you didn't notice the word those was underlined, this does not apply to you)
(Before I create a revolt, if you're pleasant and well mannered or if you didn't notice the word those was underlined, this does not apply to you)
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Ironic how the wheel turns.
About 2 months ago, I made a post in response to TD's letter to Purser's. I ended my post with the following question
My question/statement still stands and it's encouraging to see that some, who questioned my motives, are now in support of the statement.
Before anyone jumps in the air screaming nonsensical rubbish;
1. There is no implication in my question that the terminology "indifferent" applies to all cabin crew, far from it.
2. If you chose to paraphrase the question to read "Who wants to support indifferent flight deck with an attitude?" Don't bother, but feel free to start another thread.
There will always be individual employees in any large organisation that need to be retrained or relegated. TD has been tasked with changing IFS direction and part of that change will involve dealing with (because no one else has) inept crew managers.
The word on the street from many crew is that they are pleased to see the changes and fear nothing themselves because they are not indifferent and have the right attitude. I am going to continue to support cabin crew in their role, as undoubtedly many other flight deck will because that's part of our job.
Mr Ree is right to a point. You just can't be Mr Nice Guy with everybody but fortunately for us, it's obvious who deserves our support and who doesn't. I don't think we should throw away CRM for a moment, but we are all guilty of only pursuing the most blatant of behaviour. There comes a time where CRM has been exhausted on an individual and they need to be passed to the next level up. Having reliable cabin crew management will be a great asset for all concerned and personally I can't wait for the dust to settle because I believe that we will all be better for it.
About 2 months ago, I made a post in response to TD's letter to Purser's. I ended my post with the following question
Who wants to support indifferent cabin crew with an attitude?
Before anyone jumps in the air screaming nonsensical rubbish;
1. There is no implication in my question that the terminology "indifferent" applies to all cabin crew, far from it.
2. If you chose to paraphrase the question to read "Who wants to support indifferent flight deck with an attitude?" Don't bother, but feel free to start another thread.
There will always be individual employees in any large organisation that need to be retrained or relegated. TD has been tasked with changing IFS direction and part of that change will involve dealing with (because no one else has) inept crew managers.
The word on the street from many crew is that they are pleased to see the changes and fear nothing themselves because they are not indifferent and have the right attitude. I am going to continue to support cabin crew in their role, as undoubtedly many other flight deck will because that's part of our job.
Mr Ree is right to a point. You just can't be Mr Nice Guy with everybody but fortunately for us, it's obvious who deserves our support and who doesn't. I don't think we should throw away CRM for a moment, but we are all guilty of only pursuing the most blatant of behaviour. There comes a time where CRM has been exhausted on an individual and they need to be passed to the next level up. Having reliable cabin crew management will be a great asset for all concerned and personally I can't wait for the dust to settle because I believe that we will all be better for it.
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Gentlemen;
I would be interested in your definition of CRM, or for that matter your definition of manners.
It is obvious from these posts that none of you have an idea of who or what I am, whether I am crew or not etc...
It is in my humble opinion a clear indication that you should remain in the F/D and look after what you are hired to do and that is to fly the plane.
How you handle your HR and personal relations is your own problem, but how you treat the crew is incumbent upon your responsability as a captain.
Whether you use your CRM skills or not is not entirely upto you but relates to the outcome of the operation that you are paid to carry out for EK.
So please do not BS anyone here with your superior jargon full of S**T, because it is not what makes you a better captain or a descent individual, nor will your ATPL buy you the respect of anyone, it is more about treating people the way you would like to be treated. Those of you who think that you can drop CRM will end up like the yougoslave captain who was dobbed at the end by his own crew for obvious low CRM.
And note please that no one is looking for Mr. Nice guy, just half decent people with a proper response.
Take good care of yourself boys and for latin I reply in another language:
Yaghamissou!
I would be interested in your definition of CRM, or for that matter your definition of manners.
It is obvious from these posts that none of you have an idea of who or what I am, whether I am crew or not etc...
It is in my humble opinion a clear indication that you should remain in the F/D and look after what you are hired to do and that is to fly the plane.
How you handle your HR and personal relations is your own problem, but how you treat the crew is incumbent upon your responsability as a captain.
Whether you use your CRM skills or not is not entirely upto you but relates to the outcome of the operation that you are paid to carry out for EK.
So please do not BS anyone here with your superior jargon full of S**T, because it is not what makes you a better captain or a descent individual, nor will your ATPL buy you the respect of anyone, it is more about treating people the way you would like to be treated. Those of you who think that you can drop CRM will end up like the yougoslave captain who was dobbed at the end by his own crew for obvious low CRM.
And note please that no one is looking for Mr. Nice guy, just half decent people with a proper response.
Take good care of yourself boys and for latin I reply in another language:
Yaghamissou!
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I would be interested in your definition of CRM, or for that matter your definition of manners.
One thing you can be very sure of is that CRM is not defined as having manners or being nice. While it can definitely be argued that those are fine attributes for anyone wanting to get the best out of their crew, however, as a leader, keeping discipline is also required.
It is in my humble opinion a clear indication that you should remain in the F/D and look after what you are hired to do and that is to fly the plane.
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Humble opinions or not, the arrogance of pilots seems to be what stands out in these posts.
Do you have an arrogance licence with your CPL boys?
Who do you think you are, the thighs of Jupiter! Get off your high horses!
Mascarpones' posts show you off in broad day light with an attitude like no other! And you expect to be treated like pilots?
Hmm! interesting!
Do you have an arrogance licence with your CPL boys?
Who do you think you are, the thighs of Jupiter! Get off your high horses!
Mascarpones' posts show you off in broad day light with an attitude like no other! And you expect to be treated like pilots?
Hmm! interesting!
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Oh! Alphatrot, can i be your friend? Oh pelease! You are so great and wonderful, I can't sleep at night you are sooooo Intelligent! Wow!
Can I come and stay with you in Guantanamo in your luxury villa?
I would love so much to hang around flight deck......
Yes, yes, yes, say yes!!
Oh! Pelease! I just would not know what to do without flight deck around, you guys are so smart and I am always admiring the stripes on your shoulders and the scrambled eggs on your cap..........
Geez, to read your comment one would think that the world would stop if you did not honour us with your bashfull company.
Thank God you are not writing company policy mate, otherwise EK would have been in the gutter ages ago with your antiques.
You might look smart in the uniform, but anyone eating those discusting sandwiches and green bananas must really be hungry or just a monkey!
But mind you monkeys can fly planes too, they even flew rockets in the late sixties, well before many of you were walking!
No no one knows anything about CRM we wait for words to drop from your mouth like pearls out of my bum.
CRM is not your limited to F/D alone, unless you have forgotten quickly CC are also involved..
"Supporting Mission Accomplishment Through Enhanced Aircrew Performance "
But you are still thinking that its incumbent to your sole role/responsability on-board and no-one elses!
Wrong!
Say you can\'t speak!
Is that piece of cheese stuck in your throat?
Gag!
Can I come and stay with you in Guantanamo in your luxury villa?
I would love so much to hang around flight deck......
Yes, yes, yes, say yes!!
Oh! Pelease! I just would not know what to do without flight deck around, you guys are so smart and I am always admiring the stripes on your shoulders and the scrambled eggs on your cap..........
Geez, to read your comment one would think that the world would stop if you did not honour us with your bashfull company.
Thank God you are not writing company policy mate, otherwise EK would have been in the gutter ages ago with your antiques.
You might look smart in the uniform, but anyone eating those discusting sandwiches and green bananas must really be hungry or just a monkey!
But mind you monkeys can fly planes too, they even flew rockets in the late sixties, well before many of you were walking!
No no one knows anything about CRM we wait for words to drop from your mouth like pearls out of my bum.
CRM is not your limited to F/D alone, unless you have forgotten quickly CC are also involved..
"Supporting Mission Accomplishment Through Enhanced Aircrew Performance "
But you are still thinking that its incumbent to your sole role/responsability on-board and no-one elses!
Wrong!
Say you can\'t speak!
Is that piece of cheese stuck in your throat?
Gag!
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Errr!
Ok I have a deal for you Mr. Ree, you stop being Mr. Nice guy and we don't come into the flight deck or feed you, please ask your wify to pack lunch for a 7 day slip....Sure!
She won't even do it for a turn around!
Now what do you prefer the sandwiches or the wife's lunch?
I've seen the lot of you rattling the change in your pocket, it's about the only time you have money. The rest of the time you speak about it and let others pay!
Feeding you lot on the flight deck is like trying to pry a piece of dead meat from the clasp of a croc!
Maybe, just maybe, the time has come for Pilots in this airline (EK) to STOP playing Mr. CRM Nice Guy and take a stand against those contemptuous cabin crew who don't know their place!
She won't even do it for a turn around!
Now what do you prefer the sandwiches or the wife's lunch?
I've seen the lot of you rattling the change in your pocket, it's about the only time you have money. The rest of the time you speak about it and let others pay!
Feeding you lot on the flight deck is like trying to pry a piece of dead meat from the clasp of a croc!
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The stinginess of EK Flight Deck!
Since we are on the subject let's speak of the stinginess of EK flight deck.
And so they want the crew to honour them with their presence?
Who pays the bill?
I would think that it can be shared, but in most cases we have guys who escape the bill by putting forward all sorts of excuses.....
Have no change, did not order that, can you pay for me now, I will pay you later, etc........
yea right and my grandma was Churchill!
And so they want the crew to honour them with their presence?
Who pays the bill?
I would think that it can be shared, but in most cases we have guys who escape the bill by putting forward all sorts of excuses.....
Have no change, did not order that, can you pay for me now, I will pay you later, etc........
yea right and my grandma was Churchill!
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Rimmer must be crew coz he or she is travelling around Southern and Central America. First Belize, then Easter Island and now off to the Amazon.
Best definition of CRM I have heard was from one of our Captains: "You're the crew, your my resource and I'll manage you!"
I await the reply of Mr Rimmer from Red Dwarf. Do a search and you'll know what I mean.
Best definition of CRM I have heard was from one of our Captains: "You're the crew, your my resource and I'll manage you!"
I await the reply of Mr Rimmer from Red Dwarf. Do a search and you'll know what I mean.
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Cerberus
You surprise me with your knowledge of sexual practices, I thought most of you were bent like a 9bob note!
But not to worry as long as the red Dwarf has got big hairy balls, everything will be A OK!
Off to the Haufbrauhaus (it's the Oktoberfest in case you've forgotten!) to catch a real mass of beer, bring everyone along and don't forget to bring your money to pay the bill!
For once!
Timmmmmmmmmmmmberrrrrrr!!!!!!
But not to worry as long as the red Dwarf has got big hairy balls, everything will be A OK!
Off to the Haufbrauhaus (it's the Oktoberfest in case you've forgotten!) to catch a real mass of beer, bring everyone along and don't forget to bring your money to pay the bill!
For once!
Timmmmmmmmmmmmberrrrrrr!!!!!!
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Mr Rimmer,
I have been with EK a while now and I go out for dinner just about every time I go on a layover. I reckon on about 25% of occasions CC bail on the bill particularly if they are male and from the eastern end of the med. On another 25%, despite the fact that the flight deck have picked up the wine tab I hear a debate about who had the prawn cocktail. I am prepared to bet my massive pilot's pension, porsche, ferrari, club membership, hot air baloon and private jet that the flight deck subsidise the crew's layovers and not the other way around.
I have been with EK a while now and I go out for dinner just about every time I go on a layover. I reckon on about 25% of occasions CC bail on the bill particularly if they are male and from the eastern end of the med. On another 25%, despite the fact that the flight deck have picked up the wine tab I hear a debate about who had the prawn cocktail. I am prepared to bet my massive pilot's pension, porsche, ferrari, club membership, hot air baloon and private jet that the flight deck subsidise the crew's layovers and not the other way around.
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Hi red Dwarf;
With hairy balls,
I think you pre-empted the question, I was not asking F/D to answer, let the CC come back on this one!
Then you get your chance to speak. Everyone their turn please.
But thanks for letting us know of your ferrari, pension etc... until your post I was under the impression that all F/D were poor.
but while you are there, can you walk back to the end of the queue so others get a chance?
Thanks
With hairy balls,
I think you pre-empted the question, I was not asking F/D to answer, let the CC come back on this one!
Then you get your chance to speak. Everyone their turn please.
But thanks for letting us know of your ferrari, pension etc... until your post I was under the impression that all F/D were poor.
but while you are there, can you walk back to the end of the queue so others get a chance?
Thanks
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You do not surprise me with your lack of knowledge of anything to do with current affairs, pop culture, sexual practices, terrestial bodies or airlines.
So you think Rimmer has something to do with a red dwarf satisfying you desire to be a total arse? Only a very sick, very sad person could come to that conclusion. Better go to the pub before I get sucked into your vortex my obscurantism suffering friend. Enjoy the tapping and insults, watch out you don't get RSI.
So you think Rimmer has something to do with a red dwarf satisfying you desire to be a total arse? Only a very sick, very sad person could come to that conclusion. Better go to the pub before I get sucked into your vortex my obscurantism suffering friend. Enjoy the tapping and insults, watch out you don't get RSI.
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Yea! thanks for the advice I'll keep a look out for both RSI's and FBI's too!
As long as I am on TCAS, and my ILS is calibrated, Don't see how I can miss the runway, but like they say:
You never know!
Prost!
As long as I am on TCAS, and my ILS is calibrated, Don't see how I can miss the runway, but like they say:
You never know!
Prost!
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Didn't think Irony came into play in an aluminium tube, but you do have a point!
However, anything with a battery is considered dangerous!
And if you started answering this thread, it is only because you feel concerned and if you do it also means you are guilty!
However, anything with a battery is considered dangerous!
And if you started answering this thread, it is only because you feel concerned and if you do it also means you are guilty!
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