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EK CCM's Fired
Heard today that 8 or 9 Cabin Crew Managers were fired yesterday, so far nobody knows the reason, must be to keep morale at the high level it is.
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2 CCM's, 5 CCS's and one CBC manager. Unfortunate as it may seem, something needs to be done about the problems in IFS. These individuals were all part of the problem. Anyone who has worked with these people know how bad they truly were. Moreover there has been tangible backstabbing and undermining of TD from the day he stepped into the job, as he was from outside the organisation.
While it may seem a bit drastic, I think if he is going to turn around IFS into an organisation that performs, TD & KG need to get rid of any dinosaurs and inadequates to move forward.
It would not surprise me if there were a few more to come. The challenge for TD is to move forward, put in good people who know what they are doing and get IFS performing again.
While it may seem a bit drastic, I think if he is going to turn around IFS into an organisation that performs, TD & KG need to get rid of any dinosaurs and inadequates to move forward.
It would not surprise me if there were a few more to come. The challenge for TD is to move forward, put in good people who know what they are doing and get IFS performing again.
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CBC = Crew Briefing Center
I have just been reliably informed I was using the old titles, it is actually:
2x MCC (Managers Cabin Crew, grade 10 positions)
5x CCM's (Cabin Crew Managers, grade 9 positions)
Interesting, read the thread here or to quote Baglama
I have just been reliably informed I was using the old titles, it is actually:
2x MCC (Managers Cabin Crew, grade 10 positions)
5x CCM's (Cabin Crew Managers, grade 9 positions)
Interesting, read the thread here or to quote Baglama
As I have posted earlier, the responsibility for this does not lie with the SCCM's but with the ones above them who promote a clientellic and biased approach to management and this due mainly to their lack of qualifications, to name a few that is MH, DS, MS, LW, SN etc.... and that is to name a few.
The few managers who were able to project the right ideas have been kept away from promotions and leading their teams although they would have been the ones who could have steered the ship in the right direction, the likes of RM, or GF who have no business managing crew are typical examples of wrong people in the wrong posts.
I agree with you that most Seniors have been promoted on seniority, it is however inconsistent and some have been promoted on a merit scale I have yet to read about in any manual, this inconsistency is crucial in determining the state of mind of some of the earlier seniors and their input, as some rightly deserve to be in a better position that they are in now!
This inconsistency has a way of warping minds and does in the long term affect the comitment of individuals particularly when they see that there is a set of rules for everyone.
Until now everyone has tiptoed around but no one has really taken command and steered in another direction, once that is done and there is an objective (Which incidently DF used to do very well) and you might have some form of closure.
The few managers who were able to project the right ideas have been kept away from promotions and leading their teams although they would have been the ones who could have steered the ship in the right direction, the likes of RM, or GF who have no business managing crew are typical examples of wrong people in the wrong posts.
I agree with you that most Seniors have been promoted on seniority, it is however inconsistent and some have been promoted on a merit scale I have yet to read about in any manual, this inconsistency is crucial in determining the state of mind of some of the earlier seniors and their input, as some rightly deserve to be in a better position that they are in now!
This inconsistency has a way of warping minds and does in the long term affect the comitment of individuals particularly when they see that there is a set of rules for everyone.
Until now everyone has tiptoed around but no one has really taken command and steered in another direction, once that is done and there is an objective (Which incidently DF used to do very well) and you might have some form of closure.
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I heard TD held an urgent meeting this afternoon calling many people in the office on their days off. One of the sccm was MJ she was great at her job so don't understand why she was fired....should have been her other half!!!
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My understanding of the situation is that they may not be out of a job completely, they will be allowed to apply for other internal positions they may be suitable for.
The problem bubbles is one of perspective, their will be people who say that certain CCM's were great and others who hated them. MJ's support of her husband, against all the reports of harassment etc, are legendary to say the least.
MJ she was great at her job
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you're right, it's just that it has to start a few levels up from CCM's. I'm sure these members are part of the problem. But the real issue starts way above their heads.
you're right, it's just that it has to start a few levels up from CCM's. I'm sure these members are part of the problem. But the real issue starts way above their heads.
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This I think is the first positive sign in EK. Accountability isn't that a new principle here.
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The whole place has gone crazy 
And for the record MJ was the best ccm they had.....she was a *.....its a sad time for all her crew.
And for the record MJ was the best ccm they had.....she was a *.....its a sad time for all her crew.
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Hmm..
Maybe the fact that 1400 crew have resigned since the beginning of the year has something to do with the shuffle in IFS....
I am one of the crew who has indeed resigned, having been with the company only a few years , I was surprised that not only did my CCS happily accept my resignation, with no questions asked but failed to even hand me "feedback" form required as part of the resignation process. ( the form asks you to rate your ccs and various other questions about the company and why you are resigning)
I was an experienced crew member with a good record - yet no sign at all from IFS that perhaps retaining current crew was at all an important part of succeeding as a company....I enjoyed my time at Emirates and hopefully TD will have more luck with a fresh lot of crew managers, it is sad if an airline losses mature, sensible crew with experience who actually enjoy the job because IFS department has the atitude of "we will simply recruit more"....
I am one of the crew who has indeed resigned, having been with the company only a few years , I was surprised that not only did my CCS happily accept my resignation, with no questions asked but failed to even hand me "feedback" form required as part of the resignation process. ( the form asks you to rate your ccs and various other questions about the company and why you are resigning)
I was an experienced crew member with a good record - yet no sign at all from IFS that perhaps retaining current crew was at all an important part of succeeding as a company....I enjoyed my time at Emirates and hopefully TD will have more luck with a fresh lot of crew managers, it is sad if an airline losses mature, sensible crew with experience who actually enjoy the job because IFS department has the atitude of "we will simply recruit more"....
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I am sure this would not have been allowed to happen elsewhere.
Can these ppl appeal?
But would they want to after such a kick in the teeth?
Most of them having been almost 20years in the company!
Personal issues aside guys - this stinks - it could be any of us that this happens to - today, tomorrow, next week....
I believe i speak for a vast majority when i say that i am shocked, disgusted and deeply saddened for those ppl, the rest of us here, and the company as a whole.
Don't forget, it was those ppl leading us when we were no.1
Can these ppl appeal?
But would they want to after such a kick in the teeth?
Most of them having been almost 20years in the company!
Personal issues aside guys - this stinks - it could be any of us that this happens to - today, tomorrow, next week....
I believe i speak for a vast majority when i say that i am shocked, disgusted and deeply saddened for those ppl, the rest of us here, and the company as a whole.
Don't forget, it was those ppl leading us when we were no.1
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It is a disgrace for EK. I have been flying with EK too long to accept something like this. With my CCM gone I will be gone too. If there is to be a shuffle in IFS it should begin with the likes of TW, TD stretching down to MS, JO. Someone up there has got revenge against the good CCMs to hide their own shortcomings. May those heads now begin to roll to pave way for a better system than what is happening now.
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TD has interviewed over 300 pursers in the preceding few months.
Apparently his attempts to improve the department were being seriously undermined by the individuals that have been removed.
Now I am as big a critic of our pathetic managment methods as anyone. However if, as a manager, you find that your subordinates are deliberately ignoring or undermining your initiatives, then you have no alternative but to remove them. If you dont, then you cannot possible succeed as a manager. That is assuming that you have brought them in to explain the error of their ways and given them an opportunity to climb on board.
Apparently his attempts to improve the department were being seriously undermined by the individuals that have been removed.
Now I am as big a critic of our pathetic managment methods as anyone. However if, as a manager, you find that your subordinates are deliberately ignoring or undermining your initiatives, then you have no alternative but to remove them. If you dont, then you cannot possible succeed as a manager. That is assuming that you have brought them in to explain the error of their ways and given them an opportunity to climb on board.
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Because you have been in the job "for almost 20 yrs"doesnt mean that your doing a good job.
Whether tha right people went in the right mannner,I dont know but get real with the way this Co operates.
Dont know the individuals,but 1400 crew going is a BIG signal something is not right.
QB
Whether tha right people went in the right mannner,I dont know but get real with the way this Co operates.
Dont know the individuals,but 1400 crew going is a BIG signal something is not right.
QB
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Listen up cheese person,Im not sipping a G and T,nor Im I exhibiting hypocrisy,EK man management is some of the worst Ive seen,as a pilot I cannot comment on IFS,but suspect same.
The fact that your friends got fired,is irrelevant they rightly or wrongly have presided over a sorry mess and done little to arrest it,the same in flt ops.
Take a chill pill,lie down in a dark room.
By the way I have no idea who most of your "initials" are in your rant,and possibly many others have the same problem.
Get real and enjoy your Big Mac.
Off to the pub,QB
The fact that your friends got fired,is irrelevant they rightly or wrongly have presided over a sorry mess and done little to arrest it,the same in flt ops.
Take a chill pill,lie down in a dark room.
By the way I have no idea who most of your "initials" are in your rant,and possibly many others have the same problem.
Get real and enjoy your Big Mac.
Off to the pub,QB