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go watch jerry Springer tonight
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Tjeez....
What's going on here?? Looks like the Jerry Springer show already, no thanks to some of your doing Mascarpone!!
Not sure whether you are troubled by pms or just have a very bitter, generalising attitude...?
As far as I'm concerned CRM stands for:
Courtesy
Respect
Manners
And by the looks of it, neither Flight Deck, nor Cabin Crew seem to be displaying a lot of those qualities around here!!
Lets not forget we're supposed to be looking out for eachoter and not at eachoter with angry and bitter eyes!!
To have that safe and efficient flight, we can't do it without eachother! A lot of us do, both flight deck and cabin crew, thank god for that!! But the fact that the company is not at it's best right now, is there. We should be pulling together and behave like adults, instead of all this childish behaviour. I, maybe in my ignorant way of thinking, thought I was working with at least 90% adults....
The fact that you need to vent, fair enough, but slacking eachother off like this is not gonna help!!
Now, to get back to the subject of this forum,
I've heard the fired ccm's are appealing their case!
Anyone got any news on that?
What's going on here?? Looks like the Jerry Springer show already, no thanks to some of your doing Mascarpone!!
Not sure whether you are troubled by pms or just have a very bitter, generalising attitude...?
As far as I'm concerned CRM stands for:
Courtesy
Respect
Manners
And by the looks of it, neither Flight Deck, nor Cabin Crew seem to be displaying a lot of those qualities around here!!
Lets not forget we're supposed to be looking out for eachoter and not at eachoter with angry and bitter eyes!!
To have that safe and efficient flight, we can't do it without eachother! A lot of us do, both flight deck and cabin crew, thank god for that!! But the fact that the company is not at it's best right now, is there. We should be pulling together and behave like adults, instead of all this childish behaviour. I, maybe in my ignorant way of thinking, thought I was working with at least 90% adults....
The fact that you need to vent, fair enough, but slacking eachother off like this is not gonna help!!
Now, to get back to the subject of this forum,
I've heard the fired ccm's are appealing their case!
Anyone got any news on that?
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You are on the mark, funny though how a thread con be misinterpreted and how some shoot of the hip.
I would expect the courtesy and consideration to the concern raised over the recent events in EK.
It seems though that there is only one school of thought, that of the F/D althoough crew are mostly affected by this.
I am trying to understand what their input really translates to considering they know very little of what happened and the history behind.
No one either seems to read the small print:
I do not disagree with TD albeit for one CCM who I know to be the best one there. People like to drag the husband in the equation but I refute the fact that he has influenced any of her decision making.
As crew we are together and certainly hope that we look after one another. I am disturbed though by the blatant bigotry of some of the F/D and although not ME myself I find their attitude below childish and it hides for me a deep resentment that is wholly due to their inadequacy at facing and handling other cultures not just MEs'.
Now maybe it is good that everyone sees that varying opinions do exist on the matter and everyone is entitled to his own! Some pilots think not and believe that their views must prevail!!!!!!
So basically the other 12-14-16 on board have not got a mind of their own, and if it is the case then surely they do not need crew to make any decisions as and where required in extreme circumstances as in med cases etc... then revert back to F/D for consultaion and support. And this is where CRM is important not just to be nice but also to build trust amongst the crew with defined accountability and roles. Some here seem to think that there is only one buck and it stops FWD of #***
There is also a recent trend where F/D are blatently displaying their assy manners on-board, racism and the lot and this is totally unacceptable particularly when the A/C is not confined to one nationoality but like the rest of EK to a multitude.
Cheers for bringing good sense.
Cerberus, quod, desert whine, go suck a lemon!
Is that how it looks now?
You are on the mark, funny though how a thread con be misinterpreted and how some shoot of the hip.
I would expect the courtesy and consideration to the concern raised over the recent events in EK.
It seems though that there is only one school of thought, that of the F/D althoough crew are mostly affected by this.
I am trying to understand what their input really translates to considering they know very little of what happened and the history behind.
No one either seems to read the small print:
I do not disagree with TD albeit for one CCM who I know to be the best one there. People like to drag the husband in the equation but I refute the fact that he has influenced any of her decision making.
As crew we are together and certainly hope that we look after one another. I am disturbed though by the blatant bigotry of some of the F/D and although not ME myself I find their attitude below childish and it hides for me a deep resentment that is wholly due to their inadequacy at facing and handling other cultures not just MEs'.
Now maybe it is good that everyone sees that varying opinions do exist on the matter and everyone is entitled to his own! Some pilots think not and believe that their views must prevail!!!!!!
So basically the other 12-14-16 on board have not got a mind of their own, and if it is the case then surely they do not need crew to make any decisions as and where required in extreme circumstances as in med cases etc... then revert back to F/D for consultaion and support. And this is where CRM is important not just to be nice but also to build trust amongst the crew with defined accountability and roles. Some here seem to think that there is only one buck and it stops FWD of #***
There is also a recent trend where F/D are blatently displaying their assy manners on-board, racism and the lot and this is totally unacceptable particularly when the A/C is not confined to one nationoality but like the rest of EK to a multitude.
Cheers for bringing good sense.
Cerberus, quod, desert whine, go suck a lemon!
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Yes by keeping you responding to my threads it certainnly is!
Village idiot!
Have you seen the Village dog?
Perfect example of people who can't handle the truth!
Go see Gibbons mate he'll sort you out, I am in no doubt that these threads are being watched higher up and that your IP's are being monitored and you will all soon hear the sound of the bell calling you to pay your respects to the crew as one should and not act in this blatantly arrogant manner.
Most of you F/D have displayed the most cunning and lowest form of concern for your crew the ones who act as your eyes and ears on your flights.
I hear expressions like: "We fly your butts" and the sorts yea yea
We've seen you lot come out as quickly as you came in, and the proof is in the posts of other EK pilots trying to get out of the bond, not in the attitude of the cabin crew.
Yes by keeping you responding to my threads it certainnly is!
Village idiot!
Have you seen the Village dog?
Perfect example of people who can't handle the truth!
Go see Gibbons mate he'll sort you out, I am in no doubt that these threads are being watched higher up and that your IP's are being monitored and you will all soon hear the sound of the bell calling you to pay your respects to the crew as one should and not act in this blatantly arrogant manner.
Most of you F/D have displayed the most cunning and lowest form of concern for your crew the ones who act as your eyes and ears on your flights.
I hear expressions like: "We fly your butts" and the sorts yea yea
We've seen you lot come out as quickly as you came in, and the proof is in the posts of other EK pilots trying to get out of the bond, not in the attitude of the cabin crew.
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From personal experience it's only a few that have that "problem", Mascarpone.
And in their defence, I have to say that a lot of cabin crew have preconceived ideas of FD. Which is not fair. A lot of them are happily married, kids and all and if you chat to them about them ask for pictures, they really like that as well. I'm just saying this to erase this idea that people have about cockpit crew always wanting to get the crew in their sacks. It's simply not true.
As for TD's decision, I believe some were in the right position being ccm and others not. This only for the small amount of experience I have, dealing with some of them. A few, I truely cannot comprehend, till this day, why they were sacked.
(Then again, DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THE OFFICE?? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Then also, what I'm actually pissed off about, is that officially, their names have not been released, their names have been spread by sms's and rumour talk..
I don't think that was very professional. At least the crew affected should have been approached, either by a note in their dropfile or email.
Any way, I do believe that a large amount of our FD are decent blokes and open to a nice chat without any intimidation or their stripes weighing too heavy.
It's like with the cabin crew: Its the few rotten apples that spoil it for the rest!!!!
I take every day/flight as it comes and if I bump into one of those rotten apples, it's a challenge, like managing your cabin crew.
I just think to myself then, that they either gathering their period or didn't have sex when they wanted it.
I do the same when approaching one of the rotten apples of our cc's. It makes me smile and makes things a lot easier to deal with!
So Mascarpone, take it easy man! it's bad for your heart and working only against you! Especially in a forum like this!
And in their defence, I have to say that a lot of cabin crew have preconceived ideas of FD. Which is not fair. A lot of them are happily married, kids and all and if you chat to them about them ask for pictures, they really like that as well. I'm just saying this to erase this idea that people have about cockpit crew always wanting to get the crew in their sacks. It's simply not true.
As for TD's decision, I believe some were in the right position being ccm and others not. This only for the small amount of experience I have, dealing with some of them. A few, I truely cannot comprehend, till this day, why they were sacked.
(Then again, DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THE OFFICE?? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Then also, what I'm actually pissed off about, is that officially, their names have not been released, their names have been spread by sms's and rumour talk..
I don't think that was very professional. At least the crew affected should have been approached, either by a note in their dropfile or email.
Any way, I do believe that a large amount of our FD are decent blokes and open to a nice chat without any intimidation or their stripes weighing too heavy.
It's like with the cabin crew: Its the few rotten apples that spoil it for the rest!!!!
I take every day/flight as it comes and if I bump into one of those rotten apples, it's a challenge, like managing your cabin crew.
I just think to myself then, that they either gathering their period or didn't have sex when they wanted it.
I do the same when approaching one of the rotten apples of our cc's. It makes me smile and makes things a lot easier to deal with!
So Mascarpone, take it easy man! it's bad for your heart and working only against you! Especially in a forum like this!
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You know what, I very nearly put this guy on my 'ignore' list about 5 pages back, but I'm so glad I didn't. I'm actually enjoying this thread a great deal, if only to see what moronic, badly written jibberish he comes out with next....
Bravo Cheeseballs, keep up the good work.
PS, you mention that you'll bump into me in the Ops Centre, I've worked out who you are..........Your the guy that cleans the bog aren't you!
Bravo Cheeseballs, keep up the good work.
PS, you mention that you'll bump into me in the Ops Centre, I've worked out who you are..........Your the guy that cleans the bog aren't you!
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Well good you see as well that we have opinions and that we can debate and discuss them, we are all grown up and I understand that some F/D have a difficult time.
We carry their children and families all the time, we look after them and we make it a point to ensure they also have as pleasant a flight as possible. This there is no doubt about it and it is with pleasure that we will welcome all new comers to this big family.
I just don't like the ranting about ME and the lot, this perspective of some is way out of line and certainly raises an issue over how effective CRM is today.
While I empathise, this issue over the CCM's I agree with you all the way, if you read my previous posts you will see that what we are gathering on the line and off is crew who are totally destabilised and like you they want to know.
I also agree with you that none of this was pro.
I would not like this to happen to anyone including quod and the rest.
This said, I like to share my opinions and I do so in the belief that we can debate and not shot down for every word as if the only ones who are right are the pilots, if we cannot speak on the www where else can we do it?
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Well good you see as well that we have opinions and that we can debate and discuss them, we are all grown up and I understand that some F/D have a difficult time.
We carry their children and families all the time, we look after them and we make it a point to ensure they also have as pleasant a flight as possible. This there is no doubt about it and it is with pleasure that we will welcome all new comers to this big family.
I just don't like the ranting about ME and the lot, this perspective of some is way out of line and certainly raises an issue over how effective CRM is today.
While I empathise, this issue over the CCM's I agree with you all the way, if you read my previous posts you will see that what we are gathering on the line and off is crew who are totally destabilised and like you they want to know.
I also agree with you that none of this was pro.
I would not like this to happen to anyone including quod and the rest.
This said, I like to share my opinions and I do so in the belief that we can debate and not shot down for every word as if the only ones who are right are the pilots, if we cannot speak on the www where else can we do it?
Oblaspop
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I know dingding, there was actually a level of irony (read humour) in my post.
Amazingly though that last post of his was actually quite balanced and measured......I prefer the other side, bring back the vitriol!!!!!!
Amazingly though that last post of his was actually quite balanced and measured......I prefer the other side, bring back the vitriol!!!!!!
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Ding ding great posts thanks for the input.
Desert whine; get some cipralex.
Squid boy; get a hat with holes in it, for anyone who thinks like you must be a cepahlopodian!
Ree; oh yes enlighten us with your 90degree perspective while Squid's head is stuck to the windshield!
And all the crew, you are doing a great job keep it up and don't let anything faze you.
See everyone at longs on the fourth!
Desert whine; get some cipralex.
Squid boy; get a hat with holes in it, for anyone who thinks like you must be a cepahlopodian!
Ree; oh yes enlighten us with your 90degree perspective while Squid's head is stuck to the windshield!
And all the crew, you are doing a great job keep it up and don't let anything faze you.
See everyone at longs on the fourth!
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