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Hi Flyfan,
The salary figures you mention are for the "top countries in the RYR network, in the vast majority of the network FO's are currently making way less then the figures you describe. Ie, Most spanish bases still on a forced 75% contract, Portugal FO's netting sub 3k mo, Malta FO's making sub 3k mo, and the list continues.
And not to forget when comparing salaries to competitors, with Ryanair you get minimal pension. Max 3,5K a year in most countries from RYR. So you need to take charge of this yourself and out money away from your own net pay. Also deduct from your salary all other expenses that normal companies cover, Food, Drink, uniform, hotels, transport, airport parking etc. etc. Once you factor all these in its shocking how little you actually make. Another very important thing to consider is that unless you are part of the very lucky few that actually get a base they want, RYR will send you to a base/country where you have 0 desire to be, so you end up commuting. Commuting is very expensive and time consuming. I would easely sacrifice a large part of salary to join a company where I can actually choose where I'm going to live.
Now this is just the salary part, about the pro's you listed;
5/4 roster is great, but not stable. Everytime the company does not get what it wants out of a "deal with pilots" the Threat or implement a 5/3 roster again. Like in the U.K. in 2020 for the most recent example. Also, in most "temporary" "Emergency agreements there are clossules that the company can hand out X amount of additional working off days a year, at their discretion WITHOUT you receiving a WOFF payment, and if you're send out of base you have to commute on your day 0 and 6. Not that stable now is it?
Your other arguments are valid, though I will say flights keep landing later and later..
RYR is getting COMPLETELY desperate, and by their own predictions they will run out of pilots in spring 23, latest. Rumours form credible sources are making the rounds that the recruiting department if being told to call back interviewees who failed the assessment, to hire them anyway (I can't see a flaw in this strategy). You have to be completely deranged to pay them 30K now, which compared to under the past working construction us NO longer tax deductible. Joining this scheme is signing yourself up for and endless period of poverty and depression, far from home.
The salary figures you mention are for the "top countries in the RYR network, in the vast majority of the network FO's are currently making way less then the figures you describe. Ie, Most spanish bases still on a forced 75% contract, Portugal FO's netting sub 3k mo, Malta FO's making sub 3k mo, and the list continues.
And not to forget when comparing salaries to competitors, with Ryanair you get minimal pension. Max 3,5K a year in most countries from RYR. So you need to take charge of this yourself and out money away from your own net pay. Also deduct from your salary all other expenses that normal companies cover, Food, Drink, uniform, hotels, transport, airport parking etc. etc. Once you factor all these in its shocking how little you actually make. Another very important thing to consider is that unless you are part of the very lucky few that actually get a base they want, RYR will send you to a base/country where you have 0 desire to be, so you end up commuting. Commuting is very expensive and time consuming. I would easely sacrifice a large part of salary to join a company where I can actually choose where I'm going to live.
Now this is just the salary part, about the pro's you listed;
5/4 roster is great, but not stable. Everytime the company does not get what it wants out of a "deal with pilots" the Threat or implement a 5/3 roster again. Like in the U.K. in 2020 for the most recent example. Also, in most "temporary" "Emergency agreements there are clossules that the company can hand out X amount of additional working off days a year, at their discretion WITHOUT you receiving a WOFF payment, and if you're send out of base you have to commute on your day 0 and 6. Not that stable now is it?
Your other arguments are valid, though I will say flights keep landing later and later..
RYR is getting COMPLETELY desperate, and by their own predictions they will run out of pilots in spring 23, latest. Rumours form credible sources are making the rounds that the recruiting department if being told to call back interviewees who failed the assessment, to hire them anyway (I can't see a flaw in this strategy). You have to be completely deranged to pay them 30K now, which compared to under the past working construction us NO longer tax deductible. Joining this scheme is signing yourself up for and endless period of poverty and depression, far from home.
Well I will play devils advocate here.
To first state I do not agree with the 30k TR however.
Its used to be 25k even 15 odd years ago. With inflation it’s cheaper than then. A smallish gain.
I never paid for TR and have 2000+ hrs on TP over 20T. Lovely flying it was. Had interviews lined up after March 2020 which obviously never materialised. Fast forward to now and haven’t had a sniff of an aviation job. Feedback has been no jet hours so sorry. Even when they don’t specify it in adverts. Too many jet people looking for jobs. Mates who have b737/a320 all have jobs. All of them employed by mid last year.
How long do people wait? Oh keep waiting and the market will pick up. Yes but cadets with 200 hrs getting into RYR. So say they started last year but next year they knocking 1500 hrs plus on B737 people with no jet hours just falling down the order.
It’s bloody tough out there. If I could go back I would have gone straight away I RYR after training rather than waiting 2 years to get a TP job which paid less over time as well.
Guys who trained same time as me range from FOs at Easyjet, BA,EK some guys are Capts at RYR and a couple are now TRE/TRI. Only one guy I know has got a jet job from TP this year but he was in Jet2 hold pool since 2019.
Financially im probably down at least £300k when I add up the salary loss. £30k is nothing when you look at it that way.
Unfortunately it’s how it is. Ok so say they bond people. People will still leave. Just the financial burden gets moved to paying when you join to paying when you leave.
What’s the WIZZ bond time now? 7 years?Guessing as I don’t know.
So do I just wait and wait? Maybe get a TP job paying £25k. That’s what a certain UK airline is offering. Oh yay you took the moral high ground.
Or
Stump up 30k and have access to a much bigger market in 6 months time.
I know what I would do.
Anyway that’s my rant.
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So do I just wait and wait? Maybe get a TP job paying £25k. That’s what a certain UK airline is offering. Oh yay you took the moral high ground.
Or
Stump up 30k and have access to a much bigger market in 6 months time.
I know what I would do.
Anyway that’s my rant.
I met a fellow a couple of years ago who took the moral high ground as well and refused to pay a penny for a type rating, even when it was as low as €5,000. Instead he stayed in his airport ground ops job paying £35k a year and was renewing his IR for the fifth time when I met him. I often think of him and wonder does he realise he'd be looking at his command and earning a lot more than he currently does if he paid for his type rating those years ago.
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Hi Flyfan,
The salary figures you mention are for the "top countries in the RYR network, in the vast majority of the network FO's are currently making way less then the figures you describe. Ie, Most spanish bases still on a forced 75% contract, Portugal FO's netting sub 3k mo, Malta FO's making sub 3k mo, and the list continues.
And not to forget when comparing salaries to competitors, with Ryanair you get minimal pension. Max 3,5K a year in most countries from RYR. So you need to take charge of this yourself and out money away from your own net pay. Also deduct from your salary all other expenses that normal companies cover, Food, Drink, uniform, hotels, transport, airport parking etc. etc. Once you factor all these in its shocking how little you actually make. Another very important thing to consider is that unless you are part of the very lucky few that actually get a base they want, RYR will send you to a base/country where you have 0 desire to be, so you end up commuting. Commuting is very expensive and time consuming. I would easely sacrifice a large part of salary to join a company where I can actually choose where I'm going to live.
Now this is just the salary part, about the pro's you listed;
5/4 roster is great, but not stable. Everytime the company does not get what it wants out of a "deal with pilots" the Threat or implement a 5/3 roster again. Like in the U.K. in 2020 for the most recent example. Also, in most "temporary" "Emergency agreements there are clossules that the company can hand out X amount of additional working off days a year, at their discretion WITHOUT you receiving a WOFF payment, and if you're send out of base you have to commute on your day 0 and 6. Not that stable now is it?
Your other arguments are valid, though I will say flights keep landing later and later..
RYR is getting COMPLETELY desperate, and by their own predictions they will run out of pilots in spring 23, latest. Rumours form credible sources are making the rounds that the recruiting department if being told to call back interviewees who failed the assessment, to hire them anyway (I can't see a flaw in this strategy). You have to be completely deranged to pay them 30K now, which compared to under the past working construction us NO longer tax deductible. Joining this scheme is signing yourself up for and endless period of poverty and depression, far from home.
The salary figures you mention are for the "top countries in the RYR network, in the vast majority of the network FO's are currently making way less then the figures you describe. Ie, Most spanish bases still on a forced 75% contract, Portugal FO's netting sub 3k mo, Malta FO's making sub 3k mo, and the list continues.
And not to forget when comparing salaries to competitors, with Ryanair you get minimal pension. Max 3,5K a year in most countries from RYR. So you need to take charge of this yourself and out money away from your own net pay. Also deduct from your salary all other expenses that normal companies cover, Food, Drink, uniform, hotels, transport, airport parking etc. etc. Once you factor all these in its shocking how little you actually make. Another very important thing to consider is that unless you are part of the very lucky few that actually get a base they want, RYR will send you to a base/country where you have 0 desire to be, so you end up commuting. Commuting is very expensive and time consuming. I would easely sacrifice a large part of salary to join a company where I can actually choose where I'm going to live.
Now this is just the salary part, about the pro's you listed;
5/4 roster is great, but not stable. Everytime the company does not get what it wants out of a "deal with pilots" the Threat or implement a 5/3 roster again. Like in the U.K. in 2020 for the most recent example. Also, in most "temporary" "Emergency agreements there are clossules that the company can hand out X amount of additional working off days a year, at their discretion WITHOUT you receiving a WOFF payment, and if you're send out of base you have to commute on your day 0 and 6. Not that stable now is it?
Your other arguments are valid, though I will say flights keep landing later and later..
RYR is getting COMPLETELY desperate, and by their own predictions they will run out of pilots in spring 23, latest. Rumours form credible sources are making the rounds that the recruiting department if being told to call back interviewees who failed the assessment, to hire them anyway (I can't see a flaw in this strategy). You have to be completely deranged to pay them 30K now, which compared to under the past working construction us NO longer tax deductible. Joining this scheme is signing yourself up for and endless period of poverty and depression, far from home.
Hi,
Many thanks for sharing your concerns.
Your allegations about being "desperate" and hire anyone who has failed "anyway" are totally unfounded and untrue.
As an airline with an unblemished 36-year safety record, we take great care and consideration when assessing hundreds of cadet pilots who may ultimately fly our aircraft through the AFA B737 Type Rating Training Programme.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Recruitment Team
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RYR is getting COMPLETELY desperate, and by their own predictions they will run out of pilots in spring 23, latest. Rumours form credible sources are making the rounds that the recruiting department if being told to call back interviewees who failed the assessment, to hire them anyway (I can't see a flaw in this strategy). You have to be completely deranged to pay them 30K now, which compared to under the past working construction us NO longer tax deductible. Joining this scheme is signing yourself up for and endless period of poverty and depression, far from home.
Hi Dave,
I would tend to disagree, when I went for my assessment I was told they have 40 interviews a week. or rather 8 per day. Would you rather be poor whilst working towards a captain upgrade or at home doing nothing?
Otherwise although I agree with most of your comments but I still think that Ryanair's conditions are better than the competitors and most airlines.
A big Hug,
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Hi all, Do you know if there's any way to change your email in your ryanair career's profile? I can't see any option, the only way I supose is to create a new account but they say clear that you DON'T have to do that, so.... what can I do?
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I failed my simulator in Ryanair some year ago and joined an small ATR operator, for ryanair that's nothing, I have to apply via cadet program anyway, but for me it's a BIG difference, I had a salary, I have more than 1.000 hours now, I learned A LOT during this years, I have a TR.... It's far better than stay at home or flying C172's as FI
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I have an TR schedule with Ryanair in the near future but I am afraid of investing 30k and having no garanteed job after the LT.
are things getting to normal right now ? is anyone from the new cadets couldn't have a contract after the LT ?
are things getting to normal right now ? is anyone from the new cadets couldn't have a contract after the LT ?
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What is the situation with the UK license? Is it likely that Ryanair will have to transfer some of their aircraft to the UK (G) register? I heard a few rumour's about this but I thought I would ask on here.
There is not much in life that can provide a guarantee. If another major pandemic were to hit then its consequences would unavoidable.
My assessment for what it is worth is that our aviation world is in a high state of recovery, bourne out by many reporting sources. So if one wishes to get flying in a jet there aren't too many options. Many state that why should they pay for a TR, well this is a pretty much guarantee that if you successfully complete a type rating and have the right attitude and desire then the Ryanair path seems pretty much the one to tread. I'm not here to tell you what to do but I can't really see any alternative. If there were then I am sure everyone would take that oath and so Ryan would need to address their expensive course. That's not happening anytime soon. RyanAir has been and will continue to bring in aircrew, I have no figures but reckon they must have trained a large part of 73 pilots, flying today.
If it was me, then it's a no brainer As I started, no such thing as a guarantee, but boy you would be most unfortunate not to be taken up by Ryan if you met their requirements. I personally know that they are hell bent on expansion and are seriously looking at large intakes of aircrew. Not for everyone as there are drawbacks with that company which have been expressed by many of the haters. The world is a better place with companies like Ryanair they keep others on their toes and make them more competitive. I for one have enjoyed flying as slf on many occasions and like to travel for less money. There routes and schedules work for me when I look about in general, so long may they continue to operate low cost, you get what you pay for in life I find.
must make note to myself Stop supporting competition airlines and stay off this site. Damn too much time on my hands, I could be president, Styx for the record.
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Hey, does somebody knows how much time usually it takes to get invited for the interview in Dublin after passing the online assessment? I passed mine on the 22nd of April and still waiting for the email. (Not mentoured MCC)
Are they starting to slow down with recruitment as the season has already started?
Thanks
Are they starting to slow down with recruitment as the season has already started?
Thanks
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Hello! Does anybody know how many times can we become invited for pre-assessment in Ryanair? I failed my first try probably due to atpl and now I can participate after 3 moths. Is it going to be my last try at Ryanair or is there a possibility for a third try?
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Hello guys.
I wanted to ask if there is someone among of you who is going to have the assessment for cadet pilots in Dublin on 3rd of June. I would like to share a few hours on simulator (in Upilot Flight Simulator Center) with someone one day before the assessment just to practise little bit. This way we could divide the costs between each other.
All the best,
Tom
I wanted to ask if there is someone among of you who is going to have the assessment for cadet pilots in Dublin on 3rd of June. I would like to share a few hours on simulator (in Upilot Flight Simulator Center) with someone one day before the assessment just to practise little bit. This way we could divide the costs between each other.
All the best,
Tom
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Hi everyone,
I done my assessments on Sunday night the 15th of May and I still haven't received my results, how long did it take you guys to get an email with the results?
I done my assessments on Sunday night the 15th of May and I still haven't received my results, how long did it take you guys to get an email with the results?
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Hi everyone,
Is anyone starting a type rating in East Midlands in august ?
Please send me a message if you're interested in sharing a house/flat for the duration of the course.
Regards
Is anyone starting a type rating in East Midlands in august ?
Please send me a message if you're interested in sharing a house/flat for the duration of the course.
Regards