So where are all the jobs then?
Don't pick a flying club in mid wales with a 1200ft runway and 3 tomahawks you won't meet enough people in the right positions.
You'd meet me and a retired Concorde Captain!
All sound advice. Thanks.
You'd meet me and a retired Concorde Captain!
All sound advice. Thanks.
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Alot of people on here seem to not read the newspapers. So here's a tip. Keep current with what is going on in the world, have a good attitude and try and be a little more modest. Try and keep your licence current.
There have been a number of mergers recently which means that there will be a reduction of pilot numbers rather than an increase. Some airlines (like the one I work for) are ordering bigger aircraft to cope with increases in passenger loads so even with an increase in business there might not be more jobs. You would also know that in Asia airlines are rapidly expanding, which may impact on the UK market.
If you have the right attitude and are persistent then things will pay off for you.
No airline owes you a job and if that attitude comes across then you won't get a job flying.
And yes, I am a real pilot and no, I didn't get my job through anyone I knew or having lots of money.
There have been a number of mergers recently which means that there will be a reduction of pilot numbers rather than an increase. Some airlines (like the one I work for) are ordering bigger aircraft to cope with increases in passenger loads so even with an increase in business there might not be more jobs. You would also know that in Asia airlines are rapidly expanding, which may impact on the UK market.
If you have the right attitude and are persistent then things will pay off for you.
No airline owes you a job and if that attitude comes across then you won't get a job flying.
And yes, I am a real pilot and no, I didn't get my job through anyone I knew or having lots of money.
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The World Is Uk?
After reading Airbus Girl I had to write a comment...
Seams that the pprune forum is only about the UK.
I do not want to get into how and why you driving a bus, but you are a girl and that matters, company love to hire girls. So like you say let's be all a bit more humble. (please do not take it personal)
Mergers...yes they are not good for anyone, only the share holders.
Asia market expanding, YES, taking over the world.... I doubt it, if you knew how things are in Asia you will not be afraid at all, it will take decades if not century for this people to get their stuff together. BELIEVE me! the longer I am here the longer I think is going to take, I could write a funny (after the fact, when it happens is infuriating) book of things that happened in Asia.
In the bright side, this is the best times in aviation ever! new planes, new avionics-information systems, new everything!
Attitude should matter, and I think in everything but the airlines matters, who wants to work with an ass
hole, but I think to the airlines the only thing it matters is money, because I have seen a lot of assholes getting jobs with them.
Please new guys! check the spelling on your CV, organize it so the receiver does not have to search for what license from what country you have(modify it to fit the job that you are applying for), how much times you have in what, and please when you have an interview, be as serious as you can be, I have been on some, lately that they thought I was their buddy or something.
Good luck!
Seams that the pprune forum is only about the UK.
I do not want to get into how and why you driving a bus, but you are a girl and that matters, company love to hire girls. So like you say let's be all a bit more humble. (please do not take it personal)
Mergers...yes they are not good for anyone, only the share holders.
Asia market expanding, YES, taking over the world.... I doubt it, if you knew how things are in Asia you will not be afraid at all, it will take decades if not century for this people to get their stuff together. BELIEVE me! the longer I am here the longer I think is going to take, I could write a funny (after the fact, when it happens is infuriating) book of things that happened in Asia.
In the bright side, this is the best times in aviation ever! new planes, new avionics-information systems, new everything!
Attitude should matter, and I think in everything but the airlines matters, who wants to work with an ass
hole, but I think to the airlines the only thing it matters is money, because I have seen a lot of assholes getting jobs with them.Please new guys! check the spelling on your CV, organize it so the receiver does not have to search for what license from what country you have(modify it to fit the job that you are applying for), how much times you have in what, and please when you have an interview, be as serious as you can be, I have been on some, lately that they thought I was their buddy or something.
Good luck!
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I am still always "chocked" when I see guys coming with jeans and T-shirt for an interview.
Get a clue!, an interviewer want see how you will look if you get the job.
Get a hair cut, and dress smart.
I can not believe it's not real butter, but some guys come unshaved and with long hair!
http://www.tasteyoulove.com/
Get a clue!, an interviewer want see how you will look if you get the job.
Get a hair cut, and dress smart.
I can not believe it's not real butter, but some guys come unshaved and with long hair!
http://www.tasteyoulove.com/
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Whats a TR?
Sorry, this is prob. a really dumb question? but it was mentioned that buying your own "TR" can get you a job..........i was just wondering what this means???
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TR = type rating.
You can pay for your own type rating on a 737 or whatever, then apply to a 737 operator already knowing how to fly their aircraft. It can be very beneficial but the problem is that many people will already have forked out tens of thousands for ATPL training, and £15-20k on top for a TR is a lot to ask, hence the big debate over whether it's worth it.
You can pay for your own type rating on a 737 or whatever, then apply to a 737 operator already knowing how to fly their aircraft. It can be very beneficial but the problem is that many people will already have forked out tens of thousands for ATPL training, and £15-20k on top for a TR is a lot to ask, hence the big debate over whether it's worth it.
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To me is as unethical as people working for peanuts.
not only they work for peanuts, but some pilots are forced to leave their job.
I have met some pilots, who recently told me that if they don't make enough money after 3 months, they will be forced to leave their flying job considering they have 2-3 kids at home to feed (some companies pay you 1500 euro/month and you must pay your TR).
well, if some pilots love so much this job and be paid nothing, take my place.
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Dartagnan,
When considering a career change, individuals must move into their new career with open eyes, and be aware of any risks. To say otherwise is stupid. Just because people don't earn as much as they think is not an excuse to jump up and down and sulk.
I'm well aware I might be working for peanuts for my first 6 months. I have weighed the risks, and I am lucky that I am a 22 year old, single man living at home. For someone with a family, a house, bills and an expensive wife, perhaps TR's aren't the way forward. Different people will have different routes into the industry.
When considering a career change, individuals must move into their new career with open eyes, and be aware of any risks. To say otherwise is stupid. Just because people don't earn as much as they think is not an excuse to jump up and down and sulk.
I'm well aware I might be working for peanuts for my first 6 months. I have weighed the risks, and I am lucky that I am a 22 year old, single man living at home. For someone with a family, a house, bills and an expensive wife, perhaps TR's aren't the way forward. Different people will have different routes into the industry.
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Dry your eye's
40G, is that all you have spent! haha, wow......
Anyways, plenty of Instructing jobs, usually a good place to start so you can learn:
* People Skills (which alot of pilots dont have)
* Hone the flying sskills you already have and
* make new contacts and build up total time.
Yes it is not overly awesome as scoring a twin job staight out of school.....but few people really do...... the industry is changing so people with less time seem to be getting twin jobs more than a couple years ago.....so consider yourself lucky that this is happening.....
Also, most people think that this is a normal job.....bullsh*t!!!!!!! You cant send your resume and expect phone calls with employers to beg you for a job....especially for a job in high performance a/c (twins etc).
You have to visit them or phone them (not stalk them) and show that you keen....... Take this on board........ you have not had any practical industry experience only theory flying.......you need real world experience and that's what will get you the job....
To keep the job; save the employer money (fuel costs) keep the planes in good nick (clean, maintenance discussions with cheif pilot etc), be flexible AND DONT BE A ******** TO SENIOR PILOTS.....they have more influence on your job than you think sometimes. Do things the way the company and senior pilots like things to be done and discuss with them other options if you think there is a better way.
Expect to be worked to the bone ( I have worked almost 6days per week on average for about 3 to 4 years and less than $28000p/a to get to the position i am in now...1700Hrs 600twin PIC hours etc) so dont whine about the hard yards.
Skydiving work may be your other option...don't discount it completely as it will teach you how to be a real world savvy pilot...and handle pressure!
good luck and do your best.
Anyways, plenty of Instructing jobs, usually a good place to start so you can learn:
* People Skills (which alot of pilots dont have)
* Hone the flying sskills you already have and
* make new contacts and build up total time.
Yes it is not overly awesome as scoring a twin job staight out of school.....but few people really do...... the industry is changing so people with less time seem to be getting twin jobs more than a couple years ago.....so consider yourself lucky that this is happening.....
Also, most people think that this is a normal job.....bullsh*t!!!!!!! You cant send your resume and expect phone calls with employers to beg you for a job....especially for a job in high performance a/c (twins etc).
You have to visit them or phone them (not stalk them) and show that you keen....... Take this on board........ you have not had any practical industry experience only theory flying.......you need real world experience and that's what will get you the job....
To keep the job; save the employer money (fuel costs) keep the planes in good nick (clean, maintenance discussions with cheif pilot etc), be flexible AND DONT BE A ******** TO SENIOR PILOTS.....they have more influence on your job than you think sometimes. Do things the way the company and senior pilots like things to be done and discuss with them other options if you think there is a better way.
Expect to be worked to the bone ( I have worked almost 6days per week on average for about 3 to 4 years and less than $28000p/a to get to the position i am in now...1700Hrs 600twin PIC hours etc) so dont whine about the hard yards.
Skydiving work may be your other option...don't discount it completely as it will teach you how to be a real world savvy pilot...and handle pressure!
good luck and do your best.
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40h a week
I do not agree with lil_blueberry
Working hard YES working more than 40h a week NO(without any more monetary compensation as per LAW), just because you want to work more (if you are not getting compensated for it) is the same as buying a TR or work for peanuts.
And I think some people in this forum do not understand the TR problem. PLEASE read the archives it has been talked thoroughly.
Think about us not just you and what is going to happen to you in the future if you think only about yourself.
Working hard YES working more than 40h a week NO(without any more monetary compensation as per LAW), just because you want to work more (if you are not getting compensated for it) is the same as buying a TR or work for peanuts.
And I think some people in this forum do not understand the TR problem. PLEASE read the archives it has been talked thoroughly.
Think about us not just you and what is going to happen to you in the future if you think only about yourself.
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Whats with this 40Hr week thing
Alwaysmovin,
this is not a normal career.....thinking about the rest of us is a load of hog wash sometimes simply because if you don't take the job your hours and experience wont change and neither will your prospects.....
UNLESS THERE IS A MASS PILOT STRIKE THINGS WILL CHANGE EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOWLY
I agree, think WE not ME, and thats what I did when I gave a young upstart twin time and an endorsement on a C208 (and gave up some of that time/pay for myself) in return for him working hard and being a good bloke he will get the right hours and not have to post questions regarding where the jobs are..... (support your fellow pilots even though the employers sometimes dont)
I am not saying accept dangerous jobs and foolhardy financial prospects but surely one who enters the workforce and is not prepared to do the hard yards (both in pay and time) simply does not deserve the job due to the silver spoon attitude. You get nothing for nothing! Unfortunately the only place i could bargain for my wage was skydiving (sorta) and instructing (now that there is a shortage).
generally most places wont make you work more than the CAO's limit but it comes down to what are you getting out of it?
After a few hours under your belt you definitely have more bargaining power and can afford to tell the boss that's not good enough but until then low time pilots cannot afford snob the industry/GA..... hell we all gotta eat! And working hard does build character.
So if your really worried about a job, go get an instructing job where you could almost name your price and be employed.........but hey everyone wants that top job/pay first! until then........
Peace out and happy prospects.........
this is not a normal career.....thinking about the rest of us is a load of hog wash sometimes simply because if you don't take the job your hours and experience wont change and neither will your prospects.....
UNLESS THERE IS A MASS PILOT STRIKE THINGS WILL CHANGE EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOWLY
I agree, think WE not ME, and thats what I did when I gave a young upstart twin time and an endorsement on a C208 (and gave up some of that time/pay for myself) in return for him working hard and being a good bloke he will get the right hours and not have to post questions regarding where the jobs are..... (support your fellow pilots even though the employers sometimes dont)
I am not saying accept dangerous jobs and foolhardy financial prospects but surely one who enters the workforce and is not prepared to do the hard yards (both in pay and time) simply does not deserve the job due to the silver spoon attitude. You get nothing for nothing! Unfortunately the only place i could bargain for my wage was skydiving (sorta) and instructing (now that there is a shortage).
generally most places wont make you work more than the CAO's limit but it comes down to what are you getting out of it?
After a few hours under your belt you definitely have more bargaining power and can afford to tell the boss that's not good enough but until then low time pilots cannot afford snob the industry/GA..... hell we all gotta eat! And working hard does build character.
So if your really worried about a job, go get an instructing job where you could almost name your price and be employed.........but hey everyone wants that top job/pay first!
until then........Peace out and happy prospects.........
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HI GUys,
I am new on here and dont knwo how to start a new forum, i just wanted some advice, i have alwasy been fascinated with aviation industry and my perfect job would have been an airline pilot, but thats out of question as i dont have the finance, and i thought about cabincrew but i am only 5ft tall, what else is there that i can get into?? any ideas?
I am new on here and dont knwo how to start a new forum, i just wanted some advice, i have alwasy been fascinated with aviation industry and my perfect job would have been an airline pilot, but thats out of question as i dont have the finance, and i thought about cabincrew but i am only 5ft tall, what else is there that i can get into?? any ideas?
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This thread is probably a good place to start.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=251490
Otherwise there are always ground operational jobs such as Dispatch, Flight planning etc.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=251490
Otherwise there are always ground operational jobs such as Dispatch, Flight planning etc.
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Faling that have a look at the Cabin Crew threads
http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40
http://www.pprune.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40
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cutiepie,
If you don't have the finance, then why don't you go out and earn some money. Work as hard as you can for a few years and save like hell until you have enough money to go for it. It is not that difficult (in theory).
Good luck.
If you don't have the finance, then why don't you go out and earn some money. Work as hard as you can for a few years and save like hell until you have enough money to go for it. It is not that difficult (in theory).
Good luck.
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"Saving? But what about all the shoes I want!" :P
On a more serious note, cutiepie - just because your 5ft may mean you can't work for larger operators, but companies like Eastern Airways and regionals have smaller aircraft so you might get a look in with them? I know eastern are recruiting for all bases - http://www.easternairways.com/content/view/52/110/
On a more serious note, cutiepie - just because your 5ft may mean you can't work for larger operators, but companies like Eastern Airways and regionals have smaller aircraft so you might get a look in with them? I know eastern are recruiting for all bases - http://www.easternairways.com/content/view/52/110/
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As a newly trained pilot I'm struggling to find any employment out there in Aus.
I'm willing to go do the hard yards and relocate. I have done the old send my resume out and knock on doors but the response is all the same at the moment... need a few more hours mate but I'll keep ya in mind.
Only with 170 hours, I know I'm very inexperienced but just need a start to boost those hours up because I'm not a guy with much cash laying around seeing I've spent it all to get where I'm at.
Any tips???
Thanks
I'm willing to go do the hard yards and relocate. I have done the old send my resume out and knock on doors but the response is all the same at the moment... need a few more hours mate but I'll keep ya in mind.
Only with 170 hours, I know I'm very inexperienced but just need a start to boost those hours up because I'm not a guy with much cash laying around seeing I've spent it all to get where I'm at.
Any tips???
Thanks