So where are all the jobs then?
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low cost means poor training. a sad but completely true fac
Tell me, which LCCs have you worked for, and therefore experienced this poor level of training in
poor level of training.
2 hours sim training only every 6 months(just to satisfy regulations),
when some of my friends at Air France have free simulator every month.
I am absolutely not surprised why airplane crashed at the end of runways.
How many wet landing did I do? none.
reason? the sim costs 900 euro/hour, so who will pay for that?
and when you stick to minimum, accidents happen.
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dartagnan,
You're talking tripe again, the minimum legal requirement is 6 monthly, not monthly, simulator and 95% ish of operators adhere to this and without crashing planes at ends of runways.
Get a life ..... or better still, get a job.
You're talking tripe again, the minimum legal requirement is 6 monthly, not monthly, simulator and 95% ish of operators adhere to this and without crashing planes at ends of runways.
Get a life ..... or better still, get a job.
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"I am clueless but have an opinion about eveything"
Now this has to be one of the most stupid post in the history of PPRUNE.
Always Moving, would you mind starting a thread where you give your opinion about current affairs, sports, politics...? It could make really interesting reading!
Even better start a Blog, I promise, we won't laugh...
Always Moving, would you mind starting a thread where you give your opinion about current affairs, sports, politics...? It could make really interesting reading!
Even better start a Blog, I promise, we won't laugh...
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Absolutley right
JONJON you are right I just do not like other people posting a personal moral views without posting the other side too.
But you are right. I do not have a Blog I do not feel THAT righteous.
But you are right. I do not have a Blog I do not feel THAT righteous.
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That's easy said:" start small and grow to bigger aircraft". Not everybody has this opportunity. Even small companies do have requirements, requirements which are still unrealistsic for ab-initios.
Call me a taxi-operator who pays my type and i will be working for them!!
Call me a taxi-operator who pays my type and i will be working for them!!
What a shame this otherwise useful thread has degenerated into such worthless tripe - helped massively by Always Moving. Along with his ill-informed opinions, he has now slumped into the gutter with highly objectionable rants about recently deceased persons. Shame on you AM.
As for the repeated cry by Always Moving, ithinkso and others that everyone should stop paying for type ratings en-mass, the situation is rather similar to that of rubber-necking on the motorway. Everybody wishes to blame the car just in front of them for slowing down, yet they are foced to do exactly the same. The fact is that you can never find the original culprit who started the problem, yet the effects are every bit in evidence. Worse, there is little you can do to 'correct the wrongs' without considerable harm to yourself.
Stating that everyone should immediately stop paying for type ratings is as purile as saying that nobody should ever slow down at the site of an accident, whether or not the car in front does. Following that dictat exactly will inevitably lead to self made difficulties, whether driving past an accident scene or pursuing a career in aviation. Unpalatable, but an almost inevitable fact of modern life.
Your sphere of concern is often broader than your sphere of influence. Have the guts to change what you can, the fortitude to accept what you can't, and the wisdom to be able to distinguish between the two.
As for the repeated cry by Always Moving, ithinkso and others that everyone should stop paying for type ratings en-mass, the situation is rather similar to that of rubber-necking on the motorway. Everybody wishes to blame the car just in front of them for slowing down, yet they are foced to do exactly the same. The fact is that you can never find the original culprit who started the problem, yet the effects are every bit in evidence. Worse, there is little you can do to 'correct the wrongs' without considerable harm to yourself.
Stating that everyone should immediately stop paying for type ratings is as purile as saying that nobody should ever slow down at the site of an accident, whether or not the car in front does. Following that dictat exactly will inevitably lead to self made difficulties, whether driving past an accident scene or pursuing a career in aviation. Unpalatable, but an almost inevitable fact of modern life.
Your sphere of concern is often broader than your sphere of influence. Have the guts to change what you can, the fortitude to accept what you can't, and the wisdom to be able to distinguish between the two.
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Well said pilotmike 
It's all very well harping on about not paying, but there will always be someone who will - people can't be guided by the hand the way we'd like them to be!
It's all very well harping on about not paying, but there will always be someone who will - people can't be guided by the hand the way we'd like them to be!
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ithinkso and others that everyone should stop paying for type ratings en-mass
I have not found one airline ready to finance the type rating.
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yes, atlasjet the flightschool!
this is how deep the rabbit's hole goes
A320 Type Rated First Officers for Line Training and Line Experience by their own expenses;
General Requirements;
* JAR FCL ATPL / Frozen ATPL
* Type Rating on A320 valid 1 year
* Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate valid 1 year
* Fluent English (written and spoken)
1.We take the work permit for you from the government
2.the amount for the training is 70.00 USD/per hour
3.you must take at least 150 flight hours (total amount for is150x70USD=10.500 USD)
4.accommodation and other expenses are to be covered by your self in Istanbul
When the accumulating 500 hrs on A320 , you may have a chance to join the company A320 fleet by the contract, whether you have sufficient performance.
There will be selection process of candidates who will be eligible to have Line and Line Experience Training
Screening on 11 / 10 / 2007 at 04:00 – 08:00
For the interview fill out attached forms and bring them with the followings with you please:
·Pilot license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Medical license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Passport valid ( colored )
·Diploma valid ( colored )
·24 pass photos valid ( like the photos on your passport )
Please scan above mentioned documents coloredand bring them on a flash player ( memory,usb ) with you,
We can’t accept the documents if you just bring copies,
because we have to keep them as soft copies
on our computer ( if you get employed we will need them later )
Thank you very much for your cooperate and understanding,
this is how deep the rabbit's hole goes
A320 Type Rated First Officers for Line Training and Line Experience by their own expenses;
General Requirements;
* JAR FCL ATPL / Frozen ATPL
* Type Rating on A320 valid 1 year
* Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate valid 1 year
* Fluent English (written and spoken)
1.We take the work permit for you from the government
2.the amount for the training is 70.00 USD/per hour
3.you must take at least 150 flight hours (total amount for is150x70USD=10.500 USD)
4.accommodation and other expenses are to be covered by your self in Istanbul
When the accumulating 500 hrs on A320 , you may have a chance to join the company A320 fleet by the contract, whether you have sufficient performance.
There will be selection process of candidates who will be eligible to have Line and Line Experience Training
Screening on 11 / 10 / 2007 at 04:00 – 08:00
For the interview fill out attached forms and bring them with the followings with you please:
·Pilot license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Medical license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Passport valid ( colored )
·Diploma valid ( colored )
·24 pass photos valid ( like the photos on your passport )
Please scan above mentioned documents coloredand bring them on a flash player ( memory,usb ) with you,
We can’t accept the documents if you just bring copies,
because we have to keep them as soft copies
on our computer ( if you get employed we will need them later )
Thank you very much for your cooperate and understanding,
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ive been fortunate enough never to have to work for a low cost carrier
the fact is you cant argue with statistics. since the low cost carrier model has appeared, they have consistently had a higher accident rate that their higher cost cousins.
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If "ithinkso's" from where I think he's from then to a certain degree, his statement about lo-co's is probably right. European lo-co's are a different kettle of fish.
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Hi,
I came across this thread by accident, whilst searching for something else regarding recruitment. (Anyone know if or when Virgin are recruiting, and how you apply?) and I have been completely hooked on reading each and every post.
I was once a CPL/IR 250 hour pilot, dreaming of sitting in the right hand seat of a shiny Boeing jet. Then 2000 CV's later, and still no reply from those dudes from Cameroon looking for an F/O in a Cargo converted HS748, flying goats up the valley, and dodging anti-aircraft fire, (actually sounds like fun), I decided to get a Flight Instructor rating.
I was an instructor at a flying club which was part of an airport, and as a result, many airline pilots came around to the club for toasties and coffee before and after work. Eventually, I had a big break, as many other of my instructor colleagues did previously, and landed a jet job, after just 9 months instructing.
I'm nobody special. I didn't pass all my exams and tests first time! I wasn't even that great an instructor! I was luckier than 6 of my instructor colleagues in the fact that I got a 737 job straight away whilst they got ATR jobs, but now they are all on A319's or 737's now.
It is about being in the right place at the right time, and about knowing people. But you can create that for yourself. Don't get a job down a garden centre, or behind a bar, like some of my mates have after training. If you really want that job, you've got to GO TO IT. It won't come to you, with 250 hours. Like many here have said, drop jumpers, instruct, polish bloody planes, serve coffee to passengers, but whatever you do, stay in aviation on a daily basis. Choose a flying club within an airport that has regional props or loco jets flying in and out of it. You may have to move. If you want it that bad, do it! Don't pick a flying club in mid wales with a 1200ft runway and 3 tomahawks you won't meet enough people in the right positions. And be nice. Have a gentle and careful attitude (Vito!) I understand your frustrations, but if you're going to be like that after 6 months looking for a job, man, I would hate to be sitting next to you for 12 hours a day, experiencing some of the **** we have to put up with on line! Just smile, be happy, and be liked, and you might get the nod!
(It's nice to be important. But its more important to be nice)
Good Luck All
I came across this thread by accident, whilst searching for something else regarding recruitment. (Anyone know if or when Virgin are recruiting, and how you apply?) and I have been completely hooked on reading each and every post.
I was once a CPL/IR 250 hour pilot, dreaming of sitting in the right hand seat of a shiny Boeing jet. Then 2000 CV's later, and still no reply from those dudes from Cameroon looking for an F/O in a Cargo converted HS748, flying goats up the valley, and dodging anti-aircraft fire, (actually sounds like fun), I decided to get a Flight Instructor rating.
I was an instructor at a flying club which was part of an airport, and as a result, many airline pilots came around to the club for toasties and coffee before and after work. Eventually, I had a big break, as many other of my instructor colleagues did previously, and landed a jet job, after just 9 months instructing.
I'm nobody special. I didn't pass all my exams and tests first time! I wasn't even that great an instructor! I was luckier than 6 of my instructor colleagues in the fact that I got a 737 job straight away whilst they got ATR jobs, but now they are all on A319's or 737's now.
It is about being in the right place at the right time, and about knowing people. But you can create that for yourself. Don't get a job down a garden centre, or behind a bar, like some of my mates have after training. If you really want that job, you've got to GO TO IT. It won't come to you, with 250 hours. Like many here have said, drop jumpers, instruct, polish bloody planes, serve coffee to passengers, but whatever you do, stay in aviation on a daily basis. Choose a flying club within an airport that has regional props or loco jets flying in and out of it. You may have to move. If you want it that bad, do it! Don't pick a flying club in mid wales with a 1200ft runway and 3 tomahawks you won't meet enough people in the right positions. And be nice. Have a gentle and careful attitude (Vito!
) I understand your frustrations, but if you're going to be like that after 6 months looking for a job, man, I would hate to be sitting next to you for 12 hours a day, experiencing some of the **** we have to put up with on line! Just smile, be happy, and be liked, and you might get the nod!(It's nice to be important. But its more important to be nice)
Good Luck All
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i have seen this coin from both sides...
i have worked for company's and addmitingley had the odd word put in the right ear however i am on the long road to being an airline pilot
and i know its going to be a a hard and paticualary long road compared with many other jobs!!!
What still surprises me is that you if you are willing to go and spend all that money, as i am, and pass all those exams you still rarley get a look in.
i quote from a reputable flight instructor " its not what you know, its who you know" i thought those days were gone but clearly not!!!!!!!!!!!
i have worked for company's and addmitingley had the odd word put in the right ear however i am on the long road to being an airline pilot
and i know its going to be a a hard and paticualary long road compared with many other jobs!!!What still surprises me is that you if you are willing to go and spend all that money, as i am, and pass all those exams you still rarley get a look in.
i quote from a reputable flight instructor " its not what you know, its who you know" i thought those days were gone but clearly not!!!!!!!!!!!