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Hi guys,
i've the sim ride check with Fr at the 29 but in the documentation that they sent me all the plates are unreadble... very bads copy...
anyone of you have idea where I can download it??
anyone can tell me which engine the 73/800 in Fr is using?
any advice for the selections??
thanks
i've the sim ride check with Fr at the 29 but in the documentation that they sent me all the plates are unreadble... very bads copy...
anyone of you have idea where I can download it??
anyone can tell me which engine the 73/800 in Fr is using?
any advice for the selections??
thanks
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Good luck for your assesment !!
The 737-800 uses the CFM 56-7B Engine
As for the Jepp plates the copies they send out are crap but you need to find a flying school who have a copy and you can photocopy them. I looked online and coundlt find any i could download.
Somewhere in this thread are some notes from me as well as others referring to possible questions. There is a great book i used and others have recommended as well. Its called "Ace the Technical interview" by G Bristow. I found it very very helpful to brush up on my tech stuff that id forgotten since finishing my licence.
If you cant find any of the questions drop me a line and i will dig them out for you.
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The 737-800 uses the CFM 56-7B Engine
As for the Jepp plates the copies they send out are crap but you need to find a flying school who have a copy and you can photocopy them. I looked online and coundlt find any i could download.
Somewhere in this thread are some notes from me as well as others referring to possible questions. There is a great book i used and others have recommended as well. Its called "Ace the Technical interview" by G Bristow. I found it very very helpful to brush up on my tech stuff that id forgotten since finishing my licence.
If you cant find any of the questions drop me a line and i will dig them out for you.
Whizz
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Good question
How much is it??
Also does anyone know of any good aviation accountants that i can contact. Might as well see what i can claim back from the tax man. Anyone here set themselves up as a limited company to try and claim back vat on training and on uniforms etc ???
cheers
Also does anyone know of any good aviation accountants that i can contact. Might as well see what i can claim back from the tax man. Anyone here set themselves up as a limited company to try and claim back vat on training and on uniforms etc ???
cheers
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Charts
Not Jeppesen, but if you need charts for free, best thing is to register on the NATS web site (free):
http://www.ais.org.uk/
Once logged in, just follow the "UK AIP" from the "Publication" menu, you go through 2 or 3 pages and then click on "Aerodrome & Heliport Index - Specific".
You'll find eveything there, it is not the Jeppesen stuff but just as valid!
JJ
http://www.ais.org.uk/
Once logged in, just follow the "UK AIP" from the "Publication" menu, you go through 2 or 3 pages and then click on "Aerodrome & Heliport Index - Specific".
You'll find eveything there, it is not the Jeppesen stuff but just as valid!
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The chickens are coming home. Check out what's happening to the EI pilots. Yeah, that's right, Aer Lingus. One of the "good", "career" airlines all you ryanair wannabe fodder are intent on going to after you have bent over and gotten your few hours in ryanair.
But, surprise, there's a spanner in the works. In order to compete with the sh1t t&c's of ryanair, EI are in fact planning to do ryanair to their own current, and future, pilots.
Who's next? BA, Tommyfly, Lufty, AF, KLM??? Where you gonna go then???
The ryanair pilots, both current and wannabes, have made the bed. Now the rest are being forced to lie on it.
Give up th dream of taking ryanair sh1t and moving on. There ain't go be any better.
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But, surprise, there's a spanner in the works. In order to compete with the sh1t t&c's of ryanair, EI are in fact planning to do ryanair to their own current, and future, pilots.
Who's next? BA, Tommyfly, Lufty, AF, KLM??? Where you gonna go then???
The ryanair pilots, both current and wannabes, have made the bed. Now the rest are being forced to lie on it.
Give up th dream of taking ryanair sh1t and moving on. There ain't go be any better.
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Wrong again
I dont intend going to Aer Lingus thanks !!!
So who is to blame ??? You camel ?? A little contridiction in your posts...you are "seeing the bigger picture" from the inside then say you blame all the "current and wannabe RYR pilots".....make your mind up....or is it sour grapes ??
So who is to blame ??? You camel ?? A little contridiction in your posts...you are "seeing the bigger picture" from the inside then say you blame all the "current and wannabe RYR pilots".....make your mind up....or is it sour grapes ??
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It all boils down to simple economics at the end of the day. It doesn't matter at this point who's to blame, what matters is that companies everywhere are learning from FRs business model and they will adopt it to save money. More worrying they will adopt it to survive. One dangerous strength of ryanair is their ability to make money on other things than ticket prices which means they can lower their fares to the point where most other companies would have to fly with a loss to compete. They will mimic ryanair to make more money, but before long simply to stay in business and that's a simple fact. So as camel says, this is the route we're all set down and I see nothing changing it for now.
When you join now on a SSTR you have to realise that 3-4 years down the road new joiners will be funding their rating AND linetraining with a lower salary to boot. So it will continue, but I think the creep of such practices into other companies has been slow. I don't doubt for a second that it's about to take off properly though and so it's not incorrect to assume that the "get shafted for experience and move to a real airline" is not going to be an option in the future. When that will be I don't know but that's where we're heading. There will not be a shortage of people aching to do your job for less money than you get, and that is the problem we ALL face.
Disregarding this with comments about sour grapes is foolish and ignorant.
Any newbie who's reviwed his or her options and feel that a SSTR is the best route to take by all means do so, after all it's hard to compete in a market where so many other applicants do. But, realise that in my mind the REAL bill for this move will come years later.
When you join now on a SSTR you have to realise that 3-4 years down the road new joiners will be funding their rating AND linetraining with a lower salary to boot. So it will continue, but I think the creep of such practices into other companies has been slow. I don't doubt for a second that it's about to take off properly though and so it's not incorrect to assume that the "get shafted for experience and move to a real airline" is not going to be an option in the future. When that will be I don't know but that's where we're heading. There will not be a shortage of people aching to do your job for less money than you get, and that is the problem we ALL face.
Disregarding this with comments about sour grapes is foolish and ignorant.
Any newbie who's reviwed his or her options and feel that a SSTR is the best route to take by all means do so, after all it's hard to compete in a market where so many other applicants do. But, realise that in my mind the REAL bill for this move will come years later.
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Actually I think what the Southwest/Ryanair model has allowed other companies to do is to use it as an excuse to cut costs. Companies now say we have to compete with FR on this and on that and therefore we need to cut costs. In reality it is far far easier to cut costs to generate profits than it is to actually grow revenues, yields and profit. That would involve branding, proper marketing, and understanding what it is that your customers want which costs a lot of money in itself. The easy fix is to chop out costs. Of course it is only a relatively short term fix for most companies. By the time the secret is out the CEO would have moved on to pastures new and the workers that are left will be on inferior terms and conditions or have moved on themselves and the place will be full of transients willing to work in the short term to make a buck.
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Whizzer, don't flatter yourself that my post was directed at you alone 
If you think that this malaise will stop with AL alone, I suggest you think about it a little more. Gnirrens post accurately sums up why.
If you wish to enter the world of aviation, you do yourself a disservice in not being fully cogniscent of the facts.
The facts remain that the value is being swiftly removed from this profession and the places in which to find value are getting fewer, and the the value ever smaller, all the time.
I understand that all you want now is a shiny jet and shiny stripes. I just hope that when the time comes that you expect correct remuneration for the job that you won't be too disappointed when you won't find it.
This isn't sour grapes, it's the reality.
And yeah, I do blame myself for whats happened, we're all responsible in ryr. I am trying to reverse the damage through promoting unity and a union response, as well as pointing out the pitfalls to the unaware (i.e. you and most wannabes). What are you doing to stop the rot?
If you think that this malaise will stop with AL alone, I suggest you think about it a little more. Gnirrens post accurately sums up why.
If you wish to enter the world of aviation, you do yourself a disservice in not being fully cogniscent of the facts.
The facts remain that the value is being swiftly removed from this profession and the places in which to find value are getting fewer, and the the value ever smaller, all the time.
I understand that all you want now is a shiny jet and shiny stripes. I just hope that when the time comes that you expect correct remuneration for the job that you won't be too disappointed when you won't find it.
This isn't sour grapes, it's the reality.
And yeah, I do blame myself for whats happened, we're all responsible in ryr. I am trying to reverse the damage through promoting unity and a union response, as well as pointing out the pitfalls to the unaware (i.e. you and most wannabes). What are you doing to stop the rot?
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Simply economics
Yes other airlines are following RYR model because guess what....it works !!! I dont see many other airlines with passenger numbers at the rate of RYR. Who else out there in europe is ordering and taking deliverly of some many new aircraft and so offering places for new pilots. Or should the industry stay like it was with airlines going bust every other week just to keep workers happy. The role of management is to run a company as best it can to deliver the best profits for shareholders ( you have them to thank for your new shiny aircraft !!), and yes that can come at the expense of the staff. But that doesnt just happen in the airline industry. You can look at most other sectors and see thats what happens everywhere.
Camel....you made a statement that everyone who joins wants to go Aer Lingus...i dont...you were wrong...thats why i mentioned it thanks
So how did you manage to get into RYR?? Direct entry??? Or did you pay for yourself too??? Im interested to know. And for stopping the rot..as you said yourself i cant do anything from the outside so im getting inside....anyway i can !!!
Camel....you made a statement that everyone who joins wants to go Aer Lingus...i dont...you were wrong...thats why i mentioned it thanks
So how did you manage to get into RYR?? Direct entry??? Or did you pay for yourself too??? Im interested to know. And for stopping the rot..as you said yourself i cant do anything from the outside so im getting inside....anyway i can !!!
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Whizzer, you'll get in alright. Your attitude is so company orientated it's delightful for a manager to hear. The important thing is that you'll always be happy here. Why would you ever want to earn decent money as long as the shareholders are making ever more profit? I sure hope the day never comes when you feel like being decently remunerated for your efforts.
BTW, Easy and SWA also provide hundreds of pilots with job and are growing at a fast rate, yet manage to treat staff ok. Still, these airlines, by your criteria are not very successful.
I don't recall ryr doing this when it treated its staff ok. Or Easy. Or SWA. Or BA. Or AL. etc etc. Maybe ryanair really did spend the late 90's going bust and I just missed it
Are you sure you aren't management, as you seem to have bought into the idea that it's necessary to treat everyone like sh1t to be successful.
Quite clearly AL is an analogy of what's either happening or going to happen. The point is that the industry is declining fast.
DE. I happen to believe that once the CPL/IR is secured that one should then be paid for ones services if delivering commercial gain for a company.
YOU are providing THEM with a service, not vice versa.
BTW, IATA predictions, dating from the early 90's, of European traffic through the 2000's predicted almost exactly the traffic figures we have seen. The only difference is that the loco's have taken traffic that would otherwise have been on the flag carriers. Which rather scotches the argument that ryr alone are creating airline pilot jobs. In fact, as the older carriers had more crew per aircraft, the reality is that ryr have lowered the number required that would otherwise have been. So we have less pilots on substantially lower money than otherwise would have been. The late 80's and 90's were also boom times for hiring, but on hugely better terms and conditions than similarly experienced people are on now.
Ryanair has f**ked the profession and feeding the machine furthers that f**ckin. That's the reality.
BTW, Easy and SWA also provide hundreds of pilots with job and are growing at a fast rate, yet manage to treat staff ok. Still, these airlines, by your criteria are not very successful.
Or should the industry stay like it was with airlines going bust every other week just to keep workers happy.
Are you sure you aren't management, as you seem to have bought into the idea that it's necessary to treat everyone like sh1t to be successful.
Camel....you made a statement that everyone who joins wants to go Aer Lingus...i dont...you were wrong...thats why i mentioned it thanks
So how did you manage to get into RYR??
YOU are providing THEM with a service, not vice versa.
BTW, IATA predictions, dating from the early 90's, of European traffic through the 2000's predicted almost exactly the traffic figures we have seen. The only difference is that the loco's have taken traffic that would otherwise have been on the flag carriers. Which rather scotches the argument that ryr alone are creating airline pilot jobs. In fact, as the older carriers had more crew per aircraft, the reality is that ryr have lowered the number required that would otherwise have been. So we have less pilots on substantially lower money than otherwise would have been. The late 80's and 90's were also boom times for hiring, but on hugely better terms and conditions than similarly experienced people are on now.
Ryanair has f**ked the profession and feeding the machine furthers that f**ckin. That's the reality.
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I think i will be happy.....just as anyone who has worked hard at anything and achieved what they set out to do would feel. Thats not to say I plan to be RYR my whole life. But its horses for courses. Im sure there are plenty of pilots within RYR who are happy with what they have...if not im sure there would be a mass exodus to these other airlines who are "booming" too.
If Easy are such a good place to work then why are there threads on here about pilots lobbying strike action over T&Cs??
You obviously havent read your own company history
source Ryanair website.
And no im not management...but i do understand that you have to be competitive in a saturated market to succeed.
Your stance on what should happen post CPL/IR being secured is, as im sure many would agree a nice idea in principle but is very out dated in the current post 911 market. Whether you pay up front for your TR or have it taken from your wages you pay for it whatever happens so why should it be so bad if you decide to take one route over the other ?? Im sure you think airlines should be out there doing sponsorships too but again the market forces dictate what the market does and right now they dont need to.
I do think its difficult to use past numbers as a guide to where we are now with the industry. Since these numbers you talked about were predicted in the early 90s the world has seen two major conflicts in the Gulf. The rise in extremism. 911. The opening up of routes all over the world. The combining of many airlines into strategic partnerships. There is no way the IATA could have predicted these events and so no one knows what the industry would be like with or without RYR or EASY or any other loco for that matter.
What i am staggered by though is that after making your own decision to join RYR why you are so anti RYR. You MUST have had all the facts and figures before joining as well as being in a stronger position as you were DE but still you joined!!?? Maybe im missing why you joined or something but to take the line that RYR are fooking the industry then why JOIN in the first place or STAY now!!????????
If Easy are such a good place to work then why are there threads on here about pilots lobbying strike action over T&Cs??
You obviously havent read your own company history
1990
After three years of rapid growth in aircraft, routes and intense price competition with Aer Lingus and British Airways, Ryanair accumulates £20m in losses and goes through a substantial restructuring
After three years of rapid growth in aircraft, routes and intense price competition with Aer Lingus and British Airways, Ryanair accumulates £20m in losses and goes through a substantial restructuring
And no im not management...but i do understand that you have to be competitive in a saturated market to succeed.
Your stance on what should happen post CPL/IR being secured is, as im sure many would agree a nice idea in principle but is very out dated in the current post 911 market. Whether you pay up front for your TR or have it taken from your wages you pay for it whatever happens so why should it be so bad if you decide to take one route over the other ?? Im sure you think airlines should be out there doing sponsorships too but again the market forces dictate what the market does and right now they dont need to.
I do think its difficult to use past numbers as a guide to where we are now with the industry. Since these numbers you talked about were predicted in the early 90s the world has seen two major conflicts in the Gulf. The rise in extremism. 911. The opening up of routes all over the world. The combining of many airlines into strategic partnerships. There is no way the IATA could have predicted these events and so no one knows what the industry would be like with or without RYR or EASY or any other loco for that matter.
What i am staggered by though is that after making your own decision to join RYR why you are so anti RYR. You MUST have had all the facts and figures before joining as well as being in a stronger position as you were DE but still you joined!!?? Maybe im missing why you joined or something but to take the line that RYR are fooking the industry then why JOIN in the first place or STAY now!!????????
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I think i will be happy.....just as anyone who has worked hard at anything and achieved what they set out to do would feel.
What I am trying to get across is that it is the very effort you have put in that will likely lead to disillusionment. You should understand this. The very fact that you have struggled so hard makes it so galling when you realise that you're treated like sh1t and you will never be remunerated in accordance with the job you do and the effort you put in to get there.
if not im sure there would be a mass exodus to these other airlines who are "booming" too.
If Easy are such a good place to work then why are there threads on here about pilots lobbying strike action over T&Cs??
Your 1990 quote is missing the point. In the late 1990's ryr was very profitable AND very well paid.
What i am staggered by though is that after making your own decision to join RYR why you are so anti RYR.
Good luck whizzer, don't say you weren't warned though when the reality dawns.
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Thanks for your good wishes camel...sounds like we are getting cordial !!! 
As for disillusionment, i think that can come in every job...believe me my last career left me with a very poor taste in my mouth. ( And it was a career that many would see as a dream job !!!!) I have no doubt that the job will be hard and tiring and stressful but i see it as a challenge. I didnt come into the industry thinking it would be easy..i think the first day of groundschool doing my ATPLs would have told me that if i didnt know already.
I understand your point that there are more pilots than jobs but how many of those pilots are actually suitable to the jobs that are avialible. Most airlines i see on ppjn or futurepilots websites are looking for pilots...both FOs and DEC. Im not saying that there are positons for everyone but from all the sourses i talk to and read about this is about the strongest the industry has been since 911.
As for T&Cs of RYR over other airlines then the only people to blame are the current and past pilots who accepted these conditions....and NOT the new pilot wannabes who have decided to push their way into an industry that rewards who you know not what you know. You original quote way back a few pages ago was targeting the cadet pilots and their willingness to pay for a type rating when EVERYONE some how at some time will pay for a type rating..whether thats up front or by having money taken from your salary for 2,3,4,5 years !!
Im still surprised your happy to sit and suffer these T&Cs if they are so bad rather than move and make your own life and conditions more tolerable. With the growing number of low houred pilots entering the system Im sure the industry needs pilots with experience like yourself to stay, but why martyr yourself and your career at an airline that doesnt meet your expectations.
Oh and by the way......you never know we might be sitting next to each other some day soon !!! Maybe we can discuss this over a cheap coffee !!
As for disillusionment, i think that can come in every job...believe me my last career left me with a very poor taste in my mouth. ( And it was a career that many would see as a dream job !!!!) I have no doubt that the job will be hard and tiring and stressful but i see it as a challenge. I didnt come into the industry thinking it would be easy..i think the first day of groundschool doing my ATPLs would have told me that if i didnt know already.
I understand your point that there are more pilots than jobs but how many of those pilots are actually suitable to the jobs that are avialible. Most airlines i see on ppjn or futurepilots websites are looking for pilots...both FOs and DEC. Im not saying that there are positons for everyone but from all the sourses i talk to and read about this is about the strongest the industry has been since 911.
As for T&Cs of RYR over other airlines then the only people to blame are the current and past pilots who accepted these conditions....and NOT the new pilot wannabes who have decided to push their way into an industry that rewards who you know not what you know. You original quote way back a few pages ago was targeting the cadet pilots and their willingness to pay for a type rating when EVERYONE some how at some time will pay for a type rating..whether thats up front or by having money taken from your salary for 2,3,4,5 years !!
Im still surprised your happy to sit and suffer these T&Cs if they are so bad rather than move and make your own life and conditions more tolerable. With the growing number of low houred pilots entering the system Im sure the industry needs pilots with experience like yourself to stay, but why martyr yourself and your career at an airline that doesnt meet your expectations.
Oh and by the way......you never know we might be sitting next to each other some day soon !!! Maybe we can discuss this over a cheap coffee !!
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Surely the bond that Brookfields put you on will prevent you from leaving willy-nilly so to speak. As a matter of interest how much do you have to pay if you wish to resign before the 5 year duration of the bond period?
5 years is alot of time and a significant part of anyone's career thus to be constantly fatigued and scrape by financially it's any wonder why people put themselves through such an ordeal. Nevertheless I am very open minded to it all and feel that there are always 2 (very valid) sides to every story. Surely in that 5 year period fresh wannabes could raise the money for one of those line training programs thus have the 100/300 hr of flight time without the debt and aim for a more reputable carrier. Maybe I'm just being niave.
5 years is alot of time and a significant part of anyone's career thus to be constantly fatigued and scrape by financially it's any wonder why people put themselves through such an ordeal. Nevertheless I am very open minded to it all and feel that there are always 2 (very valid) sides to every story. Surely in that 5 year period fresh wannabes could raise the money for one of those line training programs thus have the 100/300 hr of flight time without the debt and aim for a more reputable carrier. Maybe I'm just being niave.
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Could any one in the know post the content of this contract?
I have an interview with RYR in a few weeks but I know that whatever the outcome, I would not agree to anything until I get to see in writing the conditions in which they might employ me (whether permanent contract or contractor), surely it makes sense to have a close look at this before paying for the TR, by then it is too late, you are commited.
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I have an interview with RYR in a few weeks but I know that whatever the outcome, I would not agree to anything until I get to see in writing the conditions in which they might employ me (whether permanent contract or contractor), surely it makes sense to have a close look at this before paying for the TR, by then it is too late, you are commited.
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Any more details about the sim and for the personal interview?
what kind of question was the personal and technical questions?if you have jet experience is different?
what kind of question was the personal and technical questions?if you have jet experience is different?