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Funnily enough there are a whole host of reasons I wouldn't work for Ryanair, but doing some 'admin' prior to assuming a flying role wouldn't necessarily be one of them !
Good luck with your atpl's !
CG
Good luck with your atpl's !
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Sounds like a slippery slope from here on in. Admin work now, then it will be cleaning the aircraft to get the 20 min turn arounds done, loading/unloading baggage perhaps to cut handling costs, what about collecting boarding cards as well?
All this whilst the company continues to make record profits. I would hate to see what MOL would have them doing if they were near the brink of insolvency.
All this whilst the company continues to make record profits. I would hate to see what MOL would have them doing if they were near the brink of insolvency.
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Ahh - OK ! You're saying that doing admin work is in addition to flying duties !! In which case that's a different case !! I had assumed Mark was referring to working in a Ryanair office until a suitable training slot etc became available (similar to some Eastern FO's assuming CC duties prior to a FC role).
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I don't think that is how it is working. A previous poster said once you had done your 900 hours (possibly done in 10 months of the year) then you would get 2 months of admin work.
Air Atlantique used to offer cadetships as well involving anything from mowing the lawn to driving cars etc etc. Nothing wrong with that as they paid for your training, gave you accommodation and a unique insight into the operation as a whole.
BUT paying 30k to FR for a rating which costs them significantly less (hence a profit making activity in its own right), working for below market rates, being allocated a base at the companys whim and possibly being chopped with little or no notice if on a contract I just can't reconcile. Add to that being downgraded to clerical work and you have to ask the question where it is all heading. It can only get worse hence my supposition that before long they will be out on the ramp or worse still on the honey cart!
Air Atlantique used to offer cadetships as well involving anything from mowing the lawn to driving cars etc etc. Nothing wrong with that as they paid for your training, gave you accommodation and a unique insight into the operation as a whole.
BUT paying 30k to FR for a rating which costs them significantly less (hence a profit making activity in its own right), working for below market rates, being allocated a base at the companys whim and possibly being chopped with little or no notice if on a contract I just can't reconcile. Add to that being downgraded to clerical work and you have to ask the question where it is all heading. It can only get worse hence my supposition that before long they will be out on the ramp or worse still on the honey cart!
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Thanks for clearing that up potkettleblack. Couldn't agree more.
- Don't - you'll be giving them ideas !!! ;-)
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It can only get worse hence my supposition that before long they will be out on the ramp or worse still on the honey cart!
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Well Done
Good luck to all those going for an interview...try not to be put off my the negative comments by certain people on here. Hey if you get in its a jet job !!! And everyone pays somewhere along the line for a type rating !!!!
As someone said....go in with ur eyes open and u wont be surprised by anything.
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As someone said....go in with ur eyes open and u wont be surprised by anything.
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Just to clarify. The admin work is in addition to your flying duties. You are both a pilot and an office boy (girl).
If you join now, you are sticking another knife into your chosen profession. Remember that.
Just at what point does the sheer humiliation and futility of it all outweigh the perceived advantages? With the emphasis on "perceived". There's no enjoyment in this industry any more.
Ryanair pilots have almost single-handedly ruined the profession, I'm ashamed to say, and our colleagues elsewhere, rightly, have nothing but disdain for us.
If you join now, you are sticking another knife into your chosen profession. Remember that.
Just at what point does the sheer humiliation and futility of it all outweigh the perceived advantages? With the emphasis on "perceived". There's no enjoyment in this industry any more.
Ryanair pilots have almost single-handedly ruined the profession, I'm ashamed to say, and our colleagues elsewhere, rightly, have nothing but disdain for us.
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Hi Ya All
Well i can feel with all the Rookie Pilots which dream the big 737 Dream ...
I was like that too ...i also have been to EMA ...and wanted to fly for FR.
You know what ....GOD IM SOOOOO F>>> HAPPY I DIDNT JOIN THESE RIP OFF"S!!!
I earned my Job i have now ..and yes i know i was once a guy who was very positive about Ryanair...but like a few others mentioned ,everybody accepting this B....S... will be backstapping others.
For now the System works ....but there will be a time most of you "Bobby-Kids" want to see some "Eurones" for the hard work you do ....and then i guess, you will regred what you have signed a few years before ,just to fly a brandnew 737....!
Please,i understand ya all ...you want that shiny Uniform (2 stripes though) and want to run around a 737,but think twice ,u will get in in the morning ,for example in Stanstead and u will leave it there ,between that u saw spain and maybe sweden for 20 minutes..and you can bet soon or later you do the start up from outside or you do cleaning or wahtever these crazy Bstdrds are comeing up with ....
Be patient ...we Pilots are in a Position now like we havent been for a long time ...
THEY NEED US !!
So ,dont give em a Summer Special ..let em pay the Full price ....
Wait a little and they come back with Bonding ..and regular pay ...
But this will not happen if there are guys which easily flip 40K on the desk to go for a type and not even having signed a contract ....
Think .....think ....PLEASE!!!!!
I was like that too ...i also have been to EMA ...and wanted to fly for FR.
You know what ....GOD IM SOOOOO F>>> HAPPY I DIDNT JOIN THESE RIP OFF"S!!!
I earned my Job i have now ..and yes i know i was once a guy who was very positive about Ryanair...but like a few others mentioned ,everybody accepting this B....S... will be backstapping others.
For now the System works ....but there will be a time most of you "Bobby-Kids" want to see some "Eurones" for the hard work you do ....and then i guess, you will regred what you have signed a few years before ,just to fly a brandnew 737....!
Please,i understand ya all ...you want that shiny Uniform (2 stripes though) and want to run around a 737,but think twice ,u will get in in the morning ,for example in Stanstead and u will leave it there ,between that u saw spain and maybe sweden for 20 minutes..and you can bet soon or later you do the start up from outside or you do cleaning or wahtever these crazy Bstdrds are comeing up with ....
Be patient ...we Pilots are in a Position now like we havent been for a long time ...
THEY NEED US !!
So ,dont give em a Summer Special ..let em pay the Full price ....
Wait a little and they come back with Bonding ..and regular pay ...
But this will not happen if there are guys which easily flip 40K on the desk to go for a type and not even having signed a contract ....
Think .....think ....PLEASE!!!!!
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Nail on the head there INSIDEVIEW. Very accurate post. Short-sightedness is ruining the profession.
Whizzer, I can see from your posts that you don't have the experience to validly compare the merits of one job against another. Until you do, stop shouting like a toddler. If you think ryr is typical of aviation employment, you really are sadly mistaken.
Whizzer, I can see from your posts that you don't have the experience to validly compare the merits of one job against another. Until you do, stop shouting like a toddler. If you think ryr is typical of aviation employment, you really are sadly mistaken.
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It's a shame that the only thing a man can do for eight hours a day is work. He can't eat for eight hours; he can't drink for eight hours; he can't make love for eight hours. The only thing a man can do for eight hours is work.
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Well I agree with INSIDEVIEW.
The companies MUST pay the Type Rating. It is logicall.
BUt, there will always be rich students (or persons who love gambling) who will pay for work. It is a fact. "c'est la vie".
We pay the course to learn how to fly a basic aircraft.
The companies chose its fleet, so they must offer us the TR.
The companies make a lot of money thanks to us and other employees.
So why we have to give them more money ?
What I can say, a few month ago, we had to pay TR for a french company.
Today, the industry is going better, the company pay TR. They need pilots.
Aviation is the futur, more and more people move through the world.
They will need pilots for a long time.
Well I don't care people who pay for TR in fact. As I said there will alaways be.
But I am sure, I don't want to give money to other rich people...
That's sufficient with FTO...
The companies MUST pay the Type Rating. It is logicall.
BUt, there will always be rich students (or persons who love gambling) who will pay for work. It is a fact. "c'est la vie".
We pay the course to learn how to fly a basic aircraft.
The companies chose its fleet, so they must offer us the TR.
The companies make a lot of money thanks to us and other employees.
So why we have to give them more money ?
What I can say, a few month ago, we had to pay TR for a french company.
Today, the industry is going better, the company pay TR. They need pilots.
Aviation is the futur, more and more people move through the world.
They will need pilots for a long time.
Well I don't care people who pay for TR in fact. As I said there will alaways be.
But I am sure, I don't want to give money to other rich people...
That's sufficient with FTO...
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No your right i dont have a VAST aviaition experience like im sure you have....how many thousands of hours do you have now ?? But what i do have is a background of hard work that would make you weep !!! Try working an 11 hour day full tilt with millions of pounds at stake....or try working as an instructor for 6 days a week for 16 months just to make ends meet. Then you can sit in ur ivory tower and complain as much as u like. And I will moan as much as i like...you seem to have it down to a fine art !!!
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try not to be put off my the negative comments by certain people on here
go in with ur eyes open
You need not be put off by these "negative comments" (poor boy doesn't like the truth it appears), but you do owe it to yourself to
go in with ur eyes open
I make no apologies for pointing this stuff. What Whizzer, as a non-professional pilot, doesn't realise is that a pilot makes decisions based on all the onformation available. This includes negative and unpleasant information. You wouldn't ignore such info in the sky, so why would you do so when evaluating your career?
Finally, Whizzer, when I and any of the rest of the "certain people" who make negative comments, make them, it is with first hand knowledge, something you don't have.
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You seem to have a strong belief in getting your facts right camel
If thats the case then i suggest you do a bit of background work and work out what i do for a living before trying to pass judgement on me.
As for people moaning i have no doubt that there are moaners at every airline..as in all professions there are people who think that they are owed a living rather than working hard and improving themselves.
As an "experienced" pilot as you are im still shocked to see that if you hate your current surroundings so much why you havent taken your " experience" elsewhere !!?? Please expalin why !!
Oh and something im noticed on here even before i started my training is that people love a good moan...and why would someone who enjoys their job come on here to moan??
As for people moaning i have no doubt that there are moaners at every airline..as in all professions there are people who think that they are owed a living rather than working hard and improving themselves.
As an "experienced" pilot as you are im still shocked to see that if you hate your current surroundings so much why you havent taken your " experience" elsewhere !!?? Please expalin why !!
Oh and something im noticed on here even before i started my training is that people love a good moan...and why would someone who enjoys their job come on here to moan??
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" It is well known that O'Leary hates pilots. He is quoted as having said that "Pilots are the most cossetted group of employees in the world". Cossetted=Pampered=Well looked after=Spoilt"
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One question. How many people 'actually' working for Ryanair are on this thing moaning about the company? What percentage of those 4,500 people? It seems like a small minority of people are moaning as they didn't go in with their eyes open as Whizzer suggests. Ryanair would prefer to have aircraft sitting on the ground at Stanstead this winterrather than flying them, as it will save money. Do you really think they are going to start paying for type ratings?
Anyone who doesn't like working for the company.......leave. It's very simple. If you have vast amounts of experience then you'll have no problems getting a 'perfect' job elsewhere.
Camel, do you really work for Ryanair?
Anyone who doesn't like working for the company.......leave. It's very simple. If you have vast amounts of experience then you'll have no problems getting a 'perfect' job elsewhere.
Camel, do you really work for Ryanair?
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WHAT !!??
How is working towards your career destroying anything ??
If Ryanair stopped trading tomorrow you really think that would change the overall conditions going forward for pilots ??
The only affect would be passengers numbers would fall...thereby reducing a need for airlines....thus reducing the need for pilots !!!
I may not agree with some things about the working practices of Ryanair but they have definately shaken up the industry and brought it out of the "boys club" mentality.
But we all have our own opinions and its nice to be able to vent them..so good luck to everyone on here in what ever you do.
If Ryanair stopped trading tomorrow you really think that would change the overall conditions going forward for pilots ??
The only affect would be passengers numbers would fall...thereby reducing a need for airlines....thus reducing the need for pilots !!!
I may not agree with some things about the working practices of Ryanair but they have definately shaken up the industry and brought it out of the "boys club" mentality.
But we all have our own opinions and its nice to be able to vent them..so good luck to everyone on here in what ever you do.