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Don't get your logic?
If FR was to fall (which it won't as it is probably one of the most solvent companies in the world if you look at its balance sheet) then there would still be a demand from passengers. This demand would be taken up by someone else. My guess is that the demand would be dependent on the pricing structure of the remaining competing airlines. FR has a very price sensitive clientèle for the most part. Some of these punters wouldn't be able to afford or wish to pay a higher price. As for pilots well the guys with experience will always find work. Newbies might struggle to get work for a while or will have to relocate but I wouldn't have thought with all of the emerging markets that they would be out of work for to long should they so wish.
If FR was to fall (which it won't as it is probably one of the most solvent companies in the world if you look at its balance sheet) then there would still be a demand from passengers. This demand would be taken up by someone else. My guess is that the demand would be dependent on the pricing structure of the remaining competing airlines. FR has a very price sensitive clientèle for the most part. Some of these punters wouldn't be able to afford or wish to pay a higher price. As for pilots well the guys with experience will always find work. Newbies might struggle to get work for a while or will have to relocate but I wouldn't have thought with all of the emerging markets that they would be out of work for to long should they so wish.
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As you said pot a very unlikely occurance given the profits being generated by Fr but what i was saying is that if you take the number of flights of FR out of the equation then you are going to have many passengers looking for other flights but, and this is what i was trying to get at ( maybe badly ) was that as u stated many of those flying with FR are price sensitive and would not be willing or able to pay the prices of other carries. Another consequence is that those that are willing to try FR as they are so cheap may not want to try other more expensive airlines and so decide not to fly.
On the pilot front...yes more experinced pilots would no doubt gain employment elsewhere but would also take jobs away from others and therefore mean the demand for pilots cools. I understand what you say about emerging markets but you still need to break into that market if can. As someone looking at options in that area i can tell you its not easy getting paperwork sorted out to take applications further.
But thanks for your reply...its good to see this thread has got some sense back into it...
On the pilot front...yes more experinced pilots would no doubt gain employment elsewhere but would also take jobs away from others and therefore mean the demand for pilots cools. I understand what you say about emerging markets but you still need to break into that market if can. As someone looking at options in that area i can tell you its not easy getting paperwork sorted out to take applications further.
But thanks for your reply...its good to see this thread has got some sense back into it...
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ive just read through some of your comments on Ryanair. While you are busy writing your moan ups on here, i'll be flying jets round Europe. Yes, i understand the pay and conditions might not be the best in the world but but i'll be doing what you've all trained for.
Would a qualified solicitor expect to start work as a partner in a law firm ? Or would a teacher expect to start as a Headmaster ? NO. You have to work hard and not think you are owed a living.
Good luck waiting for the ideal job....
Would a qualified solicitor expect to start work as a partner in a law firm ? Or would a teacher expect to start as a Headmaster ? NO. You have to work hard and not think you are owed a living.
Good luck waiting for the ideal job....
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AMEN to pete
Some sense !!!!!
It still amazes me that people would rather sit and wait for some job to come find them than go out and make their own luck.
Before everyone jumps on my back about affordability of the type rating i understand some cant do it, and I wish that things were different i really do but to those who get given the chance and still turn it down then i have no sympathy at all for you.
Too many ivory towers around me thinks !!!!
Hope to steer clear of you at 36,000 feet pete real soon
It still amazes me that people would rather sit and wait for some job to come find them than go out and make their own luck.
Before everyone jumps on my back about affordability of the type rating i understand some cant do it, and I wish that things were different i really do but to those who get given the chance and still turn it down then i have no sympathy at all for you.
Too many ivory towers around me thinks !!!!
Hope to steer clear of you at 36,000 feet pete real soon
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Yeah..right
Yeah ..right ....we all sit her on the ground and Play FS2004 ....
Jebus......
"I have learned that things go wrong, but I do not have to go with them"
Jebus......
"I have learned that things go wrong, but I do not have to go with them"
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Just because someone decides to take a 'stance' on this whole ryanair culture of SSTR shouldn't expose them to hostile comments (apparent throughout this thread). Sure the world is full of conflicting opinions from different people based on individual circumstances but in this particular argument re. Ryanair I think that the pursuit of a judgement on the righteousness in this debate is therefore wrong and misguided, it appears that there are justifiable opinions whether you undertake the Ryanair route or not.
I'm sure there are people who regret their Ryanair 'choice' equally as other rejoice having made what they term as the better decision. What you shouldn't do however is simply follow the next sheep along the yah or nay path blindly. Consider your personal situation and not some naive "oh it'll be okay, I'm sure I'll manage"... this isn't a university course where you can have the carefree overdraft bank account philosphy and some symphathetic ear from the Student Union representive. You could find yourself in a whirlpool that you neglected to take seriously during your initial decision making.
Like any responsibility what you take today as a favour HAS to be repayed at a latter perhaps more inconvienent time in the future. Please do not be so blinkered in your approach seeking that glorious nod of approval from FR to undertake their course, look at the whole deal.
However I also applaud the numerous people that have successfully gained a place on the type rating course, I hope to be lucky too in the very near future! But as I've explained above I have sat down and really run this option through the reality filter and asked some harsh questions of what I would do or would be able to do if XXXX happened or circumstances changed for me overnight ... made me realise that I needed to be far more prepared than I was factoring for and thus led to a delay on my applying...
Good luck peeps...
I'm sure there are people who regret their Ryanair 'choice' equally as other rejoice having made what they term as the better decision. What you shouldn't do however is simply follow the next sheep along the yah or nay path blindly. Consider your personal situation and not some naive "oh it'll be okay, I'm sure I'll manage"... this isn't a university course where you can have the carefree overdraft bank account philosphy and some symphathetic ear from the Student Union representive. You could find yourself in a whirlpool that you neglected to take seriously during your initial decision making.
Like any responsibility what you take today as a favour HAS to be repayed at a latter perhaps more inconvienent time in the future. Please do not be so blinkered in your approach seeking that glorious nod of approval from FR to undertake their course, look at the whole deal.
However I also applaud the numerous people that have successfully gained a place on the type rating course, I hope to be lucky too in the very near future! But as I've explained above I have sat down and really run this option through the reality filter and asked some harsh questions of what I would do or would be able to do if XXXX happened or circumstances changed for me overnight ... made me realise that I needed to be far more prepared than I was factoring for and thus led to a delay on my applying...
Good luck peeps...
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Great thread. Is there anyone here who initally failed the Ryanair assessment at EMA, but subsequently passed after reassessment at either EMA or Dublin? I believe most (if not all) that fail are told they can reapply after 12 months, but is this policy strict, because I know of someone who was reassessed after only half that time, and there are a few posts around that suggest a much quicker reassessment at Dublin after failure at EMA. Any experiences here? Would love to know.
Thanks guys.
Thanks guys.
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How striking, yet so usual. My credentials are questioned by those who disagree. Never, note by those in ryr, as they know the truth, but by those who don't want to know.
Why not leave, like you geniuses suggest? Because, unlike most posters here, I see the big picture. It's called situational awareness.
So, once again I'll explain. It's very simple. Ryanair undercut everyone else. Everyone else is forced to dumb down conditions to compete. If ryr continue to do so, and are allowed to do so by its pilots, everyone else will either have to compete or die. So we will be left with all airlines offering appalling conditions. You can run temporarily, but most of you are young, so it will catch you long before you reach retirement. Better to stay in ryr and fight now to stop the rot.
You may say, never mind, I'm onyl here for hours before finding a "better" job, but the reality is that by coming here, you are helping to undercut those very jobs you aspire to. Geddit?
Petebaker47, you display a fundamental misunderstanding of the industry. A lawyer, doc etc, gets paid more with experience because they can provide a better service. In aviation, the management see only one thing. Does he/she pass the checks or not? Is he/she safe? In ryr eyes, whether you have 500 hours or 5000, you are doing the exact same thing, and therefore worth the same. All pilots in every company are of the same ability (they're not of course, but there's no measureable metric) so hence we can not differentiate in terms of service provided (like a doctor or lawyer). Thus the pay in one company affects the pay everywhere. You, as a 200hr FO, are doing the exact same job as 7 year BA, KLM or EI FO. But his ability to earn good money is being undermined because you are willing to do the same job, and carry pax that might otherwise have gone on the aforementioned carriers, for a fraction of what he is earning. You may wish to join his airline, but by the time you do so, they will have been forced to cut their pay to compete with what you have been doing up til now. So you won't gain and vicious cycle of degradation continues. It's simple economics, an understanding of which is vital for those wishing to enter this industry.
I also am staggered by how little worth you place on the responsibility you wish to take on. 737's are not like you toy PS2. They are big fast and dangerous and thus you should expect to be remunerated properly. Your analogy to new teachers and lawyers suggest you misunderstand the nature of the role you seek.
By accepting derisory t&c's, you are destroying the ability of other professional pilots to make a good living. See above to learn why. When the fun of flying a Boeing wears off in about 4 months and you realise that you are facing a career of poverty, come back, read this and you will know why such a bleak future awaits.
So??? Do you think this will make you immune from being treated like sh1t by ryanair? Having put all that great work in, do you really think being treated worse than a bus driver, being shown no respect whatsoever and being paid appallingly is a just reward? Will you be happy with that for the rest of your career?
And if you think you are facing great riches, reflect on where salaries have gone. In the early-mid 90's, a ryr skippers basic was about IR£60,000 (approx €76k). Now mick wants dublin skippers on €66k basic. A DROP in nominal terms of 10k in 10-15 years. What about in real terms??? So just project that forward another 10 years and see where you'll be. Particularly as you have shown you are willing to work for f**k all.
Why not leave, like you geniuses suggest? Because, unlike most posters here, I see the big picture. It's called situational awareness.
So, once again I'll explain. It's very simple. Ryanair undercut everyone else. Everyone else is forced to dumb down conditions to compete. If ryr continue to do so, and are allowed to do so by its pilots, everyone else will either have to compete or die. So we will be left with all airlines offering appalling conditions. You can run temporarily, but most of you are young, so it will catch you long before you reach retirement. Better to stay in ryr and fight now to stop the rot.
You may say, never mind, I'm onyl here for hours before finding a "better" job, but the reality is that by coming here, you are helping to undercut those very jobs you aspire to. Geddit?
Petebaker47, you display a fundamental misunderstanding of the industry. A lawyer, doc etc, gets paid more with experience because they can provide a better service. In aviation, the management see only one thing. Does he/she pass the checks or not? Is he/she safe? In ryr eyes, whether you have 500 hours or 5000, you are doing the exact same thing, and therefore worth the same. All pilots in every company are of the same ability (they're not of course, but there's no measureable metric) so hence we can not differentiate in terms of service provided (like a doctor or lawyer). Thus the pay in one company affects the pay everywhere. You, as a 200hr FO, are doing the exact same job as 7 year BA, KLM or EI FO. But his ability to earn good money is being undermined because you are willing to do the same job, and carry pax that might otherwise have gone on the aforementioned carriers, for a fraction of what he is earning. You may wish to join his airline, but by the time you do so, they will have been forced to cut their pay to compete with what you have been doing up til now. So you won't gain and vicious cycle of degradation continues. It's simple economics, an understanding of which is vital for those wishing to enter this industry.
I also am staggered by how little worth you place on the responsibility you wish to take on. 737's are not like you toy PS2. They are big fast and dangerous and thus you should expect to be remunerated properly. Your analogy to new teachers and lawyers suggest you misunderstand the nature of the role you seek.
How is working towards your career destroying anything ??
Try working an 11 hour day full tilt with millions of pounds at stake....or try working as an instructor for 6 days a week for 16 months just to make ends meet.
So??? Do you think this will make you immune from being treated like sh1t by ryanair? Having put all that great work in, do you really think being treated worse than a bus driver, being shown no respect whatsoever and being paid appallingly is a just reward? Will you be happy with that for the rest of your career?And if you think you are facing great riches, reflect on where salaries have gone. In the early-mid 90's, a ryr skippers basic was about IR£60,000 (approx €76k). Now mick wants dublin skippers on €66k basic. A DROP in nominal terms of 10k in 10-15 years. What about in real terms??? So just project that forward another 10 years and see where you'll be. Particularly as you have shown you are willing to work for f**k all.
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Hello again
Firstly on a personal note i believe it was your good self who doubted my credentials camel suggesting i was " non professional pilot" thus falling into the trap of assuming rather than checking...im sure thats something thats taught from a very basic level of flight training !!
You economics just dont add up. Im not saying ryanair are the best payers out there but im pretty sure they are not the worst either. Its been shown in many other sectors that joe public like cheap..affordable products, be that airline seats or tee shirts. You cant get away from the fact that Ryanair have been successfull in what was a dwindling market by offering what the public want. If this means other carries have to cheapen their costs to compete then so be it. Id rather see that than an industry pricing itself out the reach of most people.
I applaud you if you are prepared to stay and try and stop the rot but why not encourage others to join ur fight at ryanair rather than suggesting they go elsewhere??
As for your worth at ryanair..if your argument runs true about not caring if u have 500 or 5000 hours why then does your pay increase when you have acculmated 500....1500 etc hours on type ?? Why then does your pay increase with time in service...just like every other industry? How do you know those people that might be ryanair pax would have gone to other carries...again it comes down to cost. I beleive there are many pax out there who only fly as much as they do because it is cheap. Just check out some of the other forums on here and read peoples comments on the cheap flights they are getting.
I take the responsibility very seriously....oh and i have a ps3 not a ps2 !! But then i take every flight i do with caution...so whether it be in a 737 (soon) or a 150.
And no i am not immune from anything but im a realist. I have seen many jobs in the uk aviation industry go to foreign pilots who are hour building before heading home without a chance in hell of me going to their country and getting a job. How fair is that?? But thats how the industry works. The industry is a completely different animal than it was in the 1990s and its time for people to adapt. Lets be honest here...its not the worst job in the world is it?? You could be dealing with sick and dying people all day or sweeping the streets...so lets be a bit more cheerful....
You economics just dont add up. Im not saying ryanair are the best payers out there but im pretty sure they are not the worst either. Its been shown in many other sectors that joe public like cheap..affordable products, be that airline seats or tee shirts. You cant get away from the fact that Ryanair have been successfull in what was a dwindling market by offering what the public want. If this means other carries have to cheapen their costs to compete then so be it. Id rather see that than an industry pricing itself out the reach of most people.
I applaud you if you are prepared to stay and try and stop the rot but why not encourage others to join ur fight at ryanair rather than suggesting they go elsewhere??
As for your worth at ryanair..if your argument runs true about not caring if u have 500 or 5000 hours why then does your pay increase when you have acculmated 500....1500 etc hours on type ?? Why then does your pay increase with time in service...just like every other industry? How do you know those people that might be ryanair pax would have gone to other carries...again it comes down to cost. I beleive there are many pax out there who only fly as much as they do because it is cheap. Just check out some of the other forums on here and read peoples comments on the cheap flights they are getting.
I take the responsibility very seriously....oh and i have a ps3 not a ps2 !! But then i take every flight i do with caution...so whether it be in a 737 (soon) or a 150.
And no i am not immune from anything but im a realist. I have seen many jobs in the uk aviation industry go to foreign pilots who are hour building before heading home without a chance in hell of me going to their country and getting a job. How fair is that?? But thats how the industry works. The industry is a completely different animal than it was in the 1990s and its time for people to adapt. Lets be honest here...its not the worst job in the world is it?? You could be dealing with sick and dying people all day or sweeping the streets...so lets be a bit more cheerful....
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I think you have been seduced by the FR spin and hype. The FACT is that as a pilot in FR your renumeration is less than it was 5 years ago and when you spend any amount of time in the airline it will drop in REAL terms. Note I said renumeration and NOT pay. With FR you need to be very careful to avoid headline figures and get into the detail to actually see what it is you will earn. Believe anything from MOL at your peril. Sure you might get more pay with 1,000 hours than with 500 but I guarantee you that you would have gotten more 5 years ago. And that was when the airline wasn't nearly as profitable as it is now.
Each year MOL dreams up a new scheme of giving with one hand and then taking two back. You are working longer hours for the money you get and soon you will be working in an office in the 2-3 months that you can't fly as your hours are maxed out. After the office work is done your guess is as good as anyones as to what duties you could be allocated. Baggage handling or check in perhaps if your lucky. Play up and you might be cleaning the aircraft or emptying the honey cart.
FR is one of the worlds most profitable businesses. It has approximately 1bn in cash. There is absolutely no reason for them to be treating their staff in this manner yet the vast majority of pilots in FR allow it to happen.
The sad reality is that the T&C's are constantly being eroded elsewhere due to the goings on within FR. Our airlines are constantly comparing themselves to FR and attacking our pension (even though in surplus) and pay. If you think that you can jump and join our outfits then think again. There will already be thousands of FR pilots with many more hours at the head of the queue and not that many jobs to go around.
Believe it or not there are many airlines around that will pay you a fair wage, a pension, loss of licence insurance, annual medical, give you a carpark, accommodate you when based at an outstation, give you a crew meal, bottles of water, cups of tea, pay for your type rating, roster you for work and pay you for your annual OPC's and most importantly treat you with respect. You will find that pay scales are published for all to see and that there is complete transparency over who gets paid what and for how many years service.
FR thankfully is the exception to the rule in many regards but who knows for how long. I wonder whether the time will ever come when the training captains/recruiters out there will start a backlash against those FR pilots who choose to do nothing so that you can't ever leave?
Each year MOL dreams up a new scheme of giving with one hand and then taking two back. You are working longer hours for the money you get and soon you will be working in an office in the 2-3 months that you can't fly as your hours are maxed out. After the office work is done your guess is as good as anyones as to what duties you could be allocated. Baggage handling or check in perhaps if your lucky. Play up and you might be cleaning the aircraft or emptying the honey cart.
FR is one of the worlds most profitable businesses. It has approximately 1bn in cash. There is absolutely no reason for them to be treating their staff in this manner yet the vast majority of pilots in FR allow it to happen.
The sad reality is that the T&C's are constantly being eroded elsewhere due to the goings on within FR. Our airlines are constantly comparing themselves to FR and attacking our pension (even though in surplus) and pay. If you think that you can jump and join our outfits then think again. There will already be thousands of FR pilots with many more hours at the head of the queue and not that many jobs to go around.
Believe it or not there are many airlines around that will pay you a fair wage, a pension, loss of licence insurance, annual medical, give you a carpark, accommodate you when based at an outstation, give you a crew meal, bottles of water, cups of tea, pay for your type rating, roster you for work and pay you for your annual OPC's and most importantly treat you with respect. You will find that pay scales are published for all to see and that there is complete transparency over who gets paid what and for how many years service.
FR thankfully is the exception to the rule in many regards but who knows for how long. I wonder whether the time will ever come when the training captains/recruiters out there will start a backlash against those FR pilots who choose to do nothing so that you can't ever leave?
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Hi,
I'm unfortunately in no position to comment as I do not work for RYR and am an inexperinced pilot who has just received his blue book.
The conversation really is going into some depth in terms of the damage done to the industry as a whole, and how badly you are treated, etc...
The one thing to bear in mind: where do you go once you have just obtained your fATPL? Wait 12 months knocking at all the doors hoping onemight open? Fork out an extra 6k and do an intructor rating and then earn 13k being treated like dirt? Do air taxi? Get a job for a small turbo pro outfit? The fact is all these options guarantee absolutely nothing and are financially not making much sense either as some of the TP operators ask us to pay for the TR.
I would love to be able to turn down a job offer by RYR but the reality is, what else should I do? It takes an extra investment, true, but so does being a FI, and that would be to fly a PA28 around Kent.
I'm 30, have worked in different industries and am not living with mum and dad. I am married and a child on the way, I need to work, flying a job. I have sent about 50 CVs in 3-4 weeks, not a single positive response, not complaining, I was expecting as much. But RYR did call, prospect of a job, start of a career, and all of a sudden I'm thinking "should I turn it down and just wait for some hypothetical company to offer me a job in few months?".
CVs sent were not to BA, Virgin, Qantas, and Cathay Pacific, they were to many TP in eastern and western europe. No response...
They treat you like dirt, it is wrong, I know, but I would have a job, ok, I would have to repay 20k to the bank, but I have job, flying.
Camel, you cannot blame the wannabes for the drop in the T&C in the industry, it is up to local governements to allow companies to employ staff under poor conditions. A Ryanair would never exist in Sweden, Germany, France. To improve the condition where you work (I do not mean you personnaly), it is not up to the new up and coming staff, it is up to the experienced workforce too.
I really appreciate the heads up you give all of us, but not sure it will make any difference, people want to work, they want to fly, and trust me, right now RYR are the only ones calling...
JJ
I'm unfortunately in no position to comment as I do not work for RYR and am an inexperinced pilot who has just received his blue book.
The conversation really is going into some depth in terms of the damage done to the industry as a whole, and how badly you are treated, etc...
The one thing to bear in mind: where do you go once you have just obtained your fATPL? Wait 12 months knocking at all the doors hoping onemight open? Fork out an extra 6k and do an intructor rating and then earn 13k being treated like dirt? Do air taxi? Get a job for a small turbo pro outfit? The fact is all these options guarantee absolutely nothing and are financially not making much sense either as some of the TP operators ask us to pay for the TR.
I would love to be able to turn down a job offer by RYR but the reality is, what else should I do? It takes an extra investment, true, but so does being a FI, and that would be to fly a PA28 around Kent.
I'm 30, have worked in different industries and am not living with mum and dad. I am married and a child on the way, I need to work, flying a job. I have sent about 50 CVs in 3-4 weeks, not a single positive response, not complaining, I was expecting as much. But RYR did call, prospect of a job, start of a career, and all of a sudden I'm thinking "should I turn it down and just wait for some hypothetical company to offer me a job in few months?".
CVs sent were not to BA, Virgin, Qantas, and Cathay Pacific, they were to many TP in eastern and western europe. No response...
They treat you like dirt, it is wrong, I know, but I would have a job, ok, I would have to repay 20k to the bank, but I have job, flying.
Camel, you cannot blame the wannabes for the drop in the T&C in the industry, it is up to local governements to allow companies to employ staff under poor conditions. A Ryanair would never exist in Sweden, Germany, France. To improve the condition where you work (I do not mean you personnaly), it is not up to the new up and coming staff, it is up to the experienced workforce too.
I really appreciate the heads up you give all of us, but not sure it will make any difference, people want to work, they want to fly, and trust me, right now RYR are the only ones calling...
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Ha,ha,ha,
I love these threads.....the old hands tell it like they see it is at ryan, and the new boys defend it like crazy as they all still have their hormonal surge about flying their first jet , ah bless 'em.
I'll take a balanced middle view - great first job, wouldn't wanna work for them forever.
I love these threads.....the old hands tell it like they see it is at ryan, and the new boys defend it like crazy as they all still have their hormonal surge about flying their first jet , ah bless 'em.
I'll take a balanced middle view - great first job, wouldn't wanna work for them forever.
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Dont think its as much defending them as defending the decision to go to them. And when you get told all through training to take the first job that comes, then who can blame them. After all a flying job is a flying job and i think people would be just as enthusiastic about going to them if they were a TP operator. Its not just about jets, its about flying full stop. And if RY are recruiting the most then it stands to reason that newbies are gonna go to them. I for one (once i've finished) wouldn't turn any job down, wether it be RY or a flying dustbin in Kazakstan. You have to remember that us newbies are still chasing a dream, but we also hold a grasp on reality and an ounce of common sense. I wish i was in a position to sit back and choose an airline! As it stands, i would expect a senior pilot in the airline i joined to take me under his wing and in return we could fight the T and C battle together, however it seems that all they'll do is point the finger of blame at me for joining them in the first place and god forbid i pay for my own TR. I wonder, how did the T and C's get so bad while us newbies were still in the factory?
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Well said
I hear what your saying Pot but i wasnt with Ryanair 5 years ago....all i know is what im gonna be earning not what i could have. And a valid point made by Phil...as a "newbie" just joining how is it our fault that t&cs have got so bad.
Fade...your right...the thought of finally getting to where i have worked for 4 years to get to is very exciting...there is only so much excitement you can get teaching middle aged men how to stall a 150
....although the slingsby that just missed me yesterday got the old heart pumping a little quicker !!!
Jon...good luck with ryanair if you go for it. I passed the assesment a few weeks back so drop me a line if u want some info on that.
Diamond...my assesment was liverpool pole hill 4 tango dept....and ils approach back at liverpool. Drop me a message if you want more info.
Happy hunting those who hunt and safe flying those who fly...everyone else..eerrrr good night !!
Fade...your right...the thought of finally getting to where i have worked for 4 years to get to is very exciting...there is only so much excitement you can get teaching middle aged men how to stall a 150
....although the slingsby that just missed me yesterday got the old heart pumping a little quicker !!! Jon...good luck with ryanair if you go for it. I passed the assesment a few weeks back so drop me a line if u want some info on that.
Diamond...my assesment was liverpool pole hill 4 tango dept....and ils approach back at liverpool. Drop me a message if you want more info.
Happy hunting those who hunt and safe flying those who fly...everyone else..eerrrr good night !!
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well said
well said Fade. Totally agree.
For my assesment i did the Pole Hill 4T. Few questions on jet streams, critical engine and a bit on approach plates. really good chaps who help you through the sim session. good luck.
For my assesment i did the Pole Hill 4T. Few questions on jet streams, critical engine and a bit on approach plates. really good chaps who help you through the sim session. good luck.