how Many are leaving ??
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It has been intresting to see the different point of views in this post.
I don' t work for CX( I do have an interview soon though).
I want just to say that I work as Cpt for a regional airline in the US and trust me they give you 7 sim session and if you are not "ready" by sim 5 you are basically out. No extra sim or help.
they send a company check guy (for session 5 ) which perform as seat fill and preatty much eveluates you. If you make 2-3 mistakes you are shoot down without vaseline.
My instructor (ex US airforce)for example was a screamer. His debrief were something like that: Well, that' s where you f*** up. Do it better tomorrow.No pointers, incentives or a single word of encouragement. So i did pass first shoot.But nobody helped.And this is at a REGIONAL level on the EMB 145.
Arrogance, power trips etc. are everywhere. I am not justifying any bad instructor or Check airman here if their behaviour is arrogant or God like.but everywhere you go there will be always a Cpt. a Check Air. harrassing you.So you got to face with professionality and try to get the most out of every sim and debrief session.Keep a positive attitude and pray.
After all to be the A/c commander is not just exhibiting flying skills.There is more than that. I am sure you all know.....
In the old country you couldn' t even address the Cpt. by his first name for God sake.Had to be always CPt+ surname.
On a side note, that instructor of mine eventually got on UPS. And guess what? he berely passed after he was jerked around by an old crusty retired navy pilot (which was his Check Airm.) ah ah ah ah..
drink a lot of water and eat figs........................
Ps forgive the form I am not american or of english mother tongue.
Saluti
I don' t work for CX( I do have an interview soon though).
I want just to say that I work as Cpt for a regional airline in the US and trust me they give you 7 sim session and if you are not "ready" by sim 5 you are basically out. No extra sim or help.
they send a company check guy (for session 5 ) which perform as seat fill and preatty much eveluates you. If you make 2-3 mistakes you are shoot down without vaseline.
My instructor (ex US airforce)for example was a screamer. His debrief were something like that: Well, that' s where you f*** up. Do it better tomorrow.No pointers, incentives or a single word of encouragement. So i did pass first shoot.But nobody helped.And this is at a REGIONAL level on the EMB 145.
Arrogance, power trips etc. are everywhere. I am not justifying any bad instructor or Check airman here if their behaviour is arrogant or God like.but everywhere you go there will be always a Cpt. a Check Air. harrassing you.So you got to face with professionality and try to get the most out of every sim and debrief session.Keep a positive attitude and pray.
After all to be the A/c commander is not just exhibiting flying skills.There is more than that. I am sure you all know.....
In the old country you couldn' t even address the Cpt. by his first name for God sake.Had to be always CPt+ surname.
On a side note, that instructor of mine eventually got on UPS. And guess what? he berely passed after he was jerked around by an old crusty retired navy pilot (which was his Check Airm.) ah ah ah ah..
drink a lot of water and eat figs........................
Ps forgive the form I am not american or of english mother tongue.
Saluti
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It must be time to have our own CX forum within PPRuNe restricted to registered users only. I am ashamed to be associated with some of the characters here.
I very much agree. Who can arrange this?
It must be time to have our own CX forum within PPRuNe restricted to registered users only. I am ashamed to be associated with some of the characters here.
I very much agree. Who can arrange this?
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I have heard that much of the problem with some of our pilots is due to an entitlement mentality. They have felt it is their entitlement to be upgraded. It is their entitlement to have a smooth run and not have any difficult flights, sims or reserves.
Personally, I haven't seen it on the line. But some posters on PPRUNE make me think there is something to it.
Most of us here at CX had to work pretty hard to get in. Then we worked hard to get upgraded. Just like they do in every other airline on earth. So what is so different about us regret/cannot?
Falling on disdainful rhetoric to argue ones case is indicative of a weak logical position. Why 'play the ball when you can play the man' seems to be their motto.
If you have anything useful to say then say it. And before your vitriol begins anew, I have only one handle on PPRUNE, I dont drink Koolaid, I am not a TC, I do not hang around the 3rd floor. I am finding it difficult to give you any benefit of the doubt as you constantly flaunt the rule "better to be thought the fool and keep your mouth shut than open your mouth and confirm it".
Now onto the original topic, please keep posting the numbers of people going and where they go to...I cant find that info in crews news;-)
PS if anyone has 2 job positions vacant elsewhere, I know that there are at least 2 angry pilots dieing to leave here.
Personally, I haven't seen it on the line. But some posters on PPRUNE make me think there is something to it.
Most of us here at CX had to work pretty hard to get in. Then we worked hard to get upgraded. Just like they do in every other airline on earth. So what is so different about us regret/cannot?
Falling on disdainful rhetoric to argue ones case is indicative of a weak logical position. Why 'play the ball when you can play the man' seems to be their motto.
If you have anything useful to say then say it. And before your vitriol begins anew, I have only one handle on PPRUNE, I dont drink Koolaid, I am not a TC, I do not hang around the 3rd floor. I am finding it difficult to give you any benefit of the doubt as you constantly flaunt the rule "better to be thought the fool and keep your mouth shut than open your mouth and confirm it".
Now onto the original topic, please keep posting the numbers of people going and where they go to...I cant find that info in crews news;-)
PS if anyone has 2 job positions vacant elsewhere, I know that there are at least 2 angry pilots dieing to leave here.
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yes jtr, joined on the 'queen of the skies' and then airbus a few years later. Why do you ask?
I enjoyed being an FO in this company...a position I held for around 9years. I can count on one hand the number of a#$hole captains I flew with. This includes check and trainers.
You went to the Airbus when everyone was new to it, i.e. No pedantic know it all rottweiler poison dwarf forbe bar a55hole types (I hear the times have changed), did your upgrade with trainers/checkers who had "grown up" on the fleet, just like yourself. Your training and check experiences for the majority of your career (transition to le bus, and command) are not like those most experience at the present time. I too joined the bus when it was in it's infancy.
Not taking a stance on your CX rules/CXsucks debate, just pointing out that your oakleys may have a rosey tint.
I enjoyed being an FO in this company...a position I held for around 9years. I can count on one hand the number of a#$hole captains I flew with. This includes check and trainers.
You went to the Airbus when everyone was new to it, i.e. No pedantic know it all rottweiler poison dwarf forbe bar a55hole types (I hear the times have changed), did your upgrade with trainers/checkers who had "grown up" on the fleet, just like yourself. Your training and check experiences for the majority of your career (transition to le bus, and command) are not like those most experience at the present time. I too joined the bus when it was in it's infancy.
Not taking a stance on your CX rules/CXsucks debate, just pointing out that your oakleys may have a rosey tint.
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We used to have our own forum under the aoa.
It was called CPRUNE. But, our insidious union shut it down under the auspice of legal ramifications due to "defamatory remarks" made there. All to help forward their agenda of getting the 49er deal passed.
RIP aoa!
It was called CPRUNE. But, our insidious union shut it down under the auspice of legal ramifications due to "defamatory remarks" made there. All to help forward their agenda of getting the 49er deal passed.
RIP aoa!
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There are 3 types of pilots:
those that see the glass as half empty
those that see the glass as half full
those like regret/jose/cannot who look at the glass and think "f#$k cathay"
The original intent of this thread was to ask who and how many were leaving. I think most of us readers are quite DISinterested in the fates or opinions of the aforementioned posters.
cannot regret jose, please help save the planet...stop polluting pprune with your south park cartmen-esque diatribe.
those that see the glass as half empty
those that see the glass as half full
those like regret/jose/cannot who look at the glass and think "f#$k cathay"
The original intent of this thread was to ask who and how many were leaving. I think most of us readers are quite DISinterested in the fates or opinions of the aforementioned posters.
cannot regret jose, please help save the planet...stop polluting pprune with your south park cartmen-esque diatribe.
regretCX: You've not responded to the task set you on the other forum. There, you were challenged to do something proactive. Instead of whining like a spoilt, hyperventillating 5 year-old anonymously on PPRUNE, you were challenged to go see your Boss, CEO whatever and spay him with your invective about how disgusting your profit share was.
Did you?
What lasting benefits did you thus bring your fellow professional aviators?
Could it be that you are just a little computer-hero? Willing to spead vitriol at all and sundry but not prepared/maturemanly enough to get out and do something proactive?
Then perhaps I will quote your own words back at you:
I told you so.........spineless to a single man....... OK, so in light of your own apparent inaction how's your backbone doing?
You cretins keep saying you're ashamed.......I'M ashamed I was so stupid as to get sucked in by all the hype and crap......I could have done better with just about any other airline in the world.......but alas I chose Cathay... Kazakhstan Airlines eagerly awaits your even temperament.
BAD CHOICE.. So why stay?
So run along "yes" men and set up your little chat room, talking the hardline but knowing your going to vote "bend over" with the rest of the sheep. Let the real issues stay on the public forum. I've said it all before and I haven't changed my mind. You are pathetic.
OK, great, had your little childish tantrum yet again. So when are YOU going to get on the pilot Union, any Union and DO something?
If you can't get of your a*se and and fix what you clearly see as such a major problem then why bring everybody else down?
I spent much of my life thus far trying to convince airline management that we Professional aviators are indeed professional, and yet I have to represent the likes of you. Yes, I'm ashamed you are (allegedly) a professional pilot. No airline or professional pilot association needs the likes of you.
Did you?
What lasting benefits did you thus bring your fellow professional aviators?
Could it be that you are just a little computer-hero? Willing to spead vitriol at all and sundry but not prepared/maturemanly enough to get out and do something proactive?
Then perhaps I will quote your own words back at you:
I told you so.........spineless to a single man....... OK, so in light of your own apparent inaction how's your backbone doing?
You cretins keep saying you're ashamed.......I'M ashamed I was so stupid as to get sucked in by all the hype and crap......I could have done better with just about any other airline in the world.......but alas I chose Cathay... Kazakhstan Airlines eagerly awaits your even temperament.
BAD CHOICE.. So why stay?
So run along "yes" men and set up your little chat room, talking the hardline but knowing your going to vote "bend over" with the rest of the sheep. Let the real issues stay on the public forum. I've said it all before and I haven't changed my mind. You are pathetic.
OK, great, had your little childish tantrum yet again. So when are YOU going to get on the pilot Union, any Union and DO something?
If you can't get of your a*se and and fix what you clearly see as such a major problem then why bring everybody else down?
I spent much of my life thus far trying to convince airline management that we Professional aviators are indeed professional, and yet I have to represent the likes of you. Yes, I'm ashamed you are (allegedly) a professional pilot. No airline or professional pilot association needs the likes of you.
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Only anecdotal,
Around 20 have left over the past few months, excluding
sim instructors.They need around 250 per year to allow for the reduced growth program, caused by lack of trainers, they would have liked more
newbies but CANNOT due to training constraints.The management are
active on this forum, trying to keep it upbeat, especially to restrict anti
Cathay sentiment being broadcast worldwide. Personally I expect a VERY
small payrise,to stem the exits and increase recruiting. There are many
things wrong with Cathay as with all Airlines lately, so keep up the
negatives on Prune guys. It really is the only way we can change things
for the better.
Around 20 have left over the past few months, excluding
sim instructors.They need around 250 per year to allow for the reduced growth program, caused by lack of trainers, they would have liked more
newbies but CANNOT due to training constraints.The management are
active on this forum, trying to keep it upbeat, especially to restrict anti
Cathay sentiment being broadcast worldwide. Personally I expect a VERY
small payrise,to stem the exits and increase recruiting. There are many
things wrong with Cathay as with all Airlines lately, so keep up the
negatives on Prune guys. It really is the only way we can change things
for the better.
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lets face it folks, dear old "RegretCX" ain't going to make it anywhere, his life is obviously so crap nothing but winning the lottery and direct promotion to Senior Captain will alleviate his suffering.................as he clearly deserves........................actually, his story has touched my heart, now lets hope he F@#ks off and quits bothering people.......................
Still it seems 4 Classic Captains and 3 or 4 F/O's are on the way out to Oasis and 3 or 4 -400 guys following suit..............that and the US based guys going to Fedex/UPS and the "Legacy" carriers seems the exit rate will soon exceed the input/training rate..................should make it interesting trying to crew all the new aircraft that are coming.........................Apparently it all starts to bite in May as folks already have had May leave cancelled due to the "particuarly heavy task"
Party on people
!!!!!
Still it seems 4 Classic Captains and 3 or 4 F/O's are on the way out to Oasis and 3 or 4 -400 guys following suit..............that and the US based guys going to Fedex/UPS and the "Legacy" carriers seems the exit rate will soon exceed the input/training rate..................should make it interesting trying to crew all the new aircraft that are coming.........................Apparently it all starts to bite in May as folks already have had May leave cancelled due to the "particuarly heavy task"
Party on people
!!!!!
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OAK-HKG was not flyable with any sustainable payload; Considering , among other factors , the runway is only 10,000 ft with a distance of 6,021 nm - 14 hr trip to HKG.
Parking 300ER's???????????? I very much doubt that.
We have now got over 57 training Capt's on the 777 ( although why anyone would train is beyond me ) 50 to 60 line Capt's and one hell of a lot of upgrades about to kickoff. So I'm sorry to dissappoint you but I very much doubt that Cx will have to park anything anywhere. If they do then NR will be looking for a new job.
Try getting Xmas leave this year and take a look how many slots are available............zero. ( 1 slot already allocated )
I guess all the 3rd floor will have Xmas off to spend their nice fat bonus ( much bigger than ours I'm sure )
We have now got over 57 training Capt's on the 777 ( although why anyone would train is beyond me ) 50 to 60 line Capt's and one hell of a lot of upgrades about to kickoff. So I'm sorry to dissappoint you but I very much doubt that Cx will have to park anything anywhere. If they do then NR will be looking for a new job.
Try getting Xmas leave this year and take a look how many slots are available............zero. ( 1 slot already allocated )
I guess all the 3rd floor will have Xmas off to spend their nice fat bonus ( much bigger than ours I'm sure )
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We have now got over 57 training Capt's on the 777
Oasis
Jetstar
UPS
United
Easyjet
Virgin Blue
Delta Airlines
FedEx
Southwest
Just to name a few places where ex-Cathay pilots can be found
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