how Many are leaving ??
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From: Oztrailia
If I had a dollar for each person that said they were leaving Cx...........................then I'd be a millionair by now.
Not that many will leave, if they do then good. It only makes my industrial position stronger and supply and demand forces will take control of out T&C.
a lot ? yeah right
Not that many will leave, if they do then good. It only makes my industrial position stronger and supply and demand forces will take control of out T&C.
that's nice and sweet, but who are they going to train when A LOT your pilots will have other jobs by August?
Oasis: maybe a few old guys and a few S/O's might jump over
Jetstar :- only 1 retiree gone. Why would anymore want too?
UPS:- a few will go here no doubt
United:- not too many here.
Easyjet:- why would anyone want to
Virgin Blue:- don't know of any going here, infact 3 want to come back from VB to CX
Delta Airlines:- going broke, not too many there either
FedEx:- a few will go here.
Southwest:- and maybe a couple here.
Jetstar :- only 1 retiree gone. Why would anymore want too?
UPS:- a few will go here no doubt
United:- not too many here.
Easyjet:- why would anyone want to
Virgin Blue:- don't know of any going here, infact 3 want to come back from VB to CX
Delta Airlines:- going broke, not too many there either
FedEx:- a few will go here.
Southwest:- and maybe a couple here.
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From: SIENA TWO
Not that many will leave, if they do then good. It only makes my industrial position stronger and supply and demand forces will take control of out T&C.
CX might have to park aircraft because their training department is an impedance to the growth of the airlines. (well, and the people quitting on a weekly basis are too).
Hey, come august, HKIA might have to shutdown one of the runways to park all 'em "shiny 777s".
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From: Discovery Bay
Hey, come august, HKIA might have to shutdown one of the runways to park all 'em "shiny 777s".
Ok chap, RWY07R in Hong Kong is NOTAMed out of service to park our brand new 777s that are not flying because we failed everybody on their upgrades. So you're half way across the Pacific and you're low on gas..Can you continue to Hong Kong based on the "Inflight reduction of normal fuel required" according to current conditions?
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From: Oztrailia
For those of you anti-Cathay types that can't seem to find the info in the manuals, Inflight reduction of fuel is in the Vol 2 Pt 2, Gen operational section.
Parking ER's...............................very very unlikely.
Cx always falls on it's feet, sad but true.
Parking ER's...............................very very unlikely.
Cx always falls on it's feet, sad but true.
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From: Hong Kong
cannot,
why would they have to park aricraft? If 100% fail command course this year they can extend the 50 or so retirees. Also they can simply work all captains, who are not G day limited, into overtime. If there are say 600 captains, we would all be worked up to 92 hrs...still a lot cheaper using overtime than upgrading CNs! Also, if they anticipate a high failure rate, they could divert any unproductive training to straight line flying...not much of this but it all helps!
Grounding lots of aircraft due failures/training...highly unlikely!
why would they have to park aricraft? If 100% fail command course this year they can extend the 50 or so retirees. Also they can simply work all captains, who are not G day limited, into overtime. If there are say 600 captains, we would all be worked up to 92 hrs...still a lot cheaper using overtime than upgrading CNs! Also, if they anticipate a high failure rate, they could divert any unproductive training to straight line flying...not much of this but it all helps!
Grounding lots of aircraft due failures/training...highly unlikely!
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From: Hong Kong
Back to the subject....
These are the Numbers of guys that have left that I know directly (not heard of friends of friends).
1... Easyjet
1... Air France
1... Jetstar Oz
1... UPS
1... Oasis Hong Kong
1... Emirates
1... Gone to buy a pub in Europe (prob the smartest one of all!!!)
So that 7 that I know of.... how about you?
These are the Numbers of guys that have left that I know directly (not heard of friends of friends).
1... Easyjet
1... Air France
1... Jetstar Oz
1... UPS
1... Oasis Hong Kong
1... Emirates
1... Gone to buy a pub in Europe (prob the smartest one of all!!!)
So that 7 that I know of.... how about you?
Last edited by Night Watch; 14th March 2007 at 04:02. Reason: typo
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From: 9th Floor
Weekly Update
This week showed some encouraging signs. Nine pilots departed this week but they were only Freighter pilots so this does not count. They were also mostly American which really is good news. On the training front we are still actively bullying as many line Captains as we can into becoming Training Captains however if you would still like to volunteer we are still taking those also. Again on the training side we have decided to upgrade the ERAS system. You'll now be glad to know that their is now a score less than 1. We will be introducing a new score system with the exciting addition of the "1/2" score. This will give trainers who are really having a bad day the opportunity of really stessing a training point in a constructive and non threatening way. I think you'll agree this will be a welcome change from the old system and will completely eliminate the conjecture and arguments during a debrief. Load factor remains strong which means absolutely no chance of getting out or back in for those of you lucky enough to have leave this year. I have had a few words to the staff travel people and they assure me that they will be doing their utmost to ensure your family are able to travel as dispersed within the cabin as possible. This will give every member of the family the opportunity to sit in front of our new featured "inop staff IFE screen" in the company of the fat sh&t next to you. So don't miss out on this one! Happy New Year, and remember the old Chinese proverb.
If man at staff travel counter no smile: go different counter.
Regards,
Rhick
If man at staff travel counter no smile: go different counter.
Regards,
Rhick
Last edited by Rhick Noades; 14th March 2007 at 04:24.
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From: SIENA TWO
Weekly Update
This week showed some encouraging signs. Nine pilots departed this week but they were only Freighter pilots so this does not count. They were also mostly American which really is good news. On the training front we are still actively bullying as many line Captains as we can into becoming Training Captains however if you would still like to volunteer we are still taking those also. Again on the training side we have decided to upgrade the ERAS system. You'll now be glad to know that their is now a score less than 1. We will be introducing a new score system with the exciting addition of the "1/2" score. This will give trainers who are really having a bad day the opportunity of really stessing a training point in a constructive and non threatening way. I think you'll agree this will be a welcome change from the old system and will completely eliminate the conjecture and arguments during a debrief. Load factor remains strong which means absolutely no chance of getting out or back in for those of you lucky enough to have leave this year. I have had a few words to the staff travel people and they assure me that they will be doing their utmost to ensure your family are able to travel as dispersed within the cabin as possible. This will give every member of the family the opportunity to sit in front of our new featured "inop staff IFE screen" in the company of the fat sh&t next to you. So don't miss out on this one! Happy New Year, and remember the old Chinese proverb.
If man at staff travel counter no smile: go different counter.
Regards,
Rhick
This week showed some encouraging signs. Nine pilots departed this week but they were only Freighter pilots so this does not count. They were also mostly American which really is good news. On the training front we are still actively bullying as many line Captains as we can into becoming Training Captains however if you would still like to volunteer we are still taking those also. Again on the training side we have decided to upgrade the ERAS system. You'll now be glad to know that their is now a score less than 1. We will be introducing a new score system with the exciting addition of the "1/2" score. This will give trainers who are really having a bad day the opportunity of really stessing a training point in a constructive and non threatening way. I think you'll agree this will be a welcome change from the old system and will completely eliminate the conjecture and arguments during a debrief. Load factor remains strong which means absolutely no chance of getting out or back in for those of you lucky enough to have leave this year. I have had a few words to the staff travel people and they assure me that they will be doing their utmost to ensure your family are able to travel as dispersed within the cabin as possible. This will give every member of the family the opportunity to sit in front of our new featured "inop staff IFE screen" in the company of the fat sh&t next to you. So don't miss out on this one! Happy New Year, and remember the old Chinese proverb.
If man at staff travel counter no smile: go different counter.
Regards,
Rhick
That was great!
Thank you Rhick!
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From: SIENA TWO
cannot,
why would they have to park aricraft? If 100% fail command course this year they can extend the 50 or so retirees. Also they can simply work all captains
why would they have to park aricraft? If 100% fail command course this year they can extend the 50 or so retirees. Also they can simply work all captains
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From: 9th Floor
Notice to Crew
Due to the recent shortfall in Vol2 Pt2 knowledge demonstrated by a Junior777 Commander on the Pprune website we will introducing mandatory remedial training for all B777 Captains. From now on we will have a "Vol2 pt2" Channel broadcast free in all online port hotels. This will be accessed by your ERN at the reception desk and the televised course will start in you room 20 mins after checking in. If for some reason you have a delay in checking in you may have the module start over by picking your mobile phone dial your Fleet number ie 777 followed by the # followed by your ERN backwards. If you do not have mobile coverage the concierge is contactable downstairs by direct dial ###. A sign off form must then be accessed via People CX after you have finished each review module. Captains may log into ERAS to monitor their progress and complete the online quiz. If the quiz is not completed to a satifactory standard ie less than 100% then the module will need to be reassessed at a later date. However this module must be repeated at a different outport otherwise it would be too easy. I think we will all agree from this that the days of the one small binder sitting on the shelf at home are well and truely numbered.
Happy and safe flying. And remember the old Chinese proverb.
If Check Captain have manboobs: dont taxi on white line.
Regards,
Rhick
Happy and safe flying. And remember the old Chinese proverb.
If Check Captain have manboobs: dont taxi on white line.
Regards,
Rhick
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Damage Control
"excluding themselves from interesting flying in an otherwise almost exclusively ULR passenger operation."
What was I thinking, iso going to LAX/SFO etc with 30 something hour layovers, I can got on 4 or 5 sector patterns through to europe and back where I spend half my time PX'ing. Thanks for tipping me off.
What was I thinking, iso going to LAX/SFO etc with 30 something hour layovers, I can got on 4 or 5 sector patterns through to europe and back where I spend half my time PX'ing. Thanks for tipping me off.
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From: Asia
Problem Solved !
Hey !!! I got an idea !! If you want people to fly the freighter, get rid of the Freighter COS and pay scale, integrate the freighter flying into Cathay Mainline (with Cathay mainline pay and FTLs) stop giving commands out of seniority , especially to people 7 years junior to Cat'B and D'd FOs and then , maybe, then I will fly the freighter..............
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..........no wait come to think of it the roster will still suck........
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..........no wait come to think of it the roster will still suck........
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...nevermind, forget I mentioned anything !
FG