how Many are leaving ??
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Good one CAN-NOT! 
49 pilots fired so it's generally considered a very unsecure job. Tell that to the thousands that have been furloughed in the USA over the past 5 years!
CX...go to work...do your job...a job for life! Lots of problems and frustrations with the job but still a job for life. Or you can be happy for 3-8 years at a US pax airline until the next furlough.
Go to UPS, go to FedEx, maybe even SWA but don't leave CX for the US pax majors...not now!
49 pilots fired so it's generally considered a very unsecure job. Tell that to the thousands that have been furloughed in the USA over the past 5 years!
CX...go to work...do your job...a job for life! Lots of problems and frustrations with the job but still a job for life. Or you can be happy for 3-8 years at a US pax airline until the next furlough.
Go to UPS, go to FedEx, maybe even SWA but don't leave CX for the US pax majors...not now!
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From: UK
Bend over and take it whenever they like it = a job for life.......
Say yes = a job for life
Smile and say more sir= a job for life.
I'm sorry but I have a little bit more to offer than that. I don't want to get to the end of my career and say "thank god that's over". I'd like to enjoy the ride. Working for CX makes me feel like a $2 hooker recieving regular beatings from my pimp Mr Rhodes for not bending over far enough......
Sorry but I ain't anyone's biatch..............
You can ban me again now, I've had my say this month!!!!!
See ya in
April
Say yes = a job for life
Smile and say more sir= a job for life.
I'm sorry but I have a little bit more to offer than that. I don't want to get to the end of my career and say "thank god that's over". I'd like to enjoy the ride. Working for CX makes me feel like a $2 hooker recieving regular beatings from my pimp Mr Rhodes for not bending over far enough......
Sorry but I ain't anyone's biatch..............
You can ban me again now, I've had my say this month!!!!!
See ya in
April
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From: Asia
CP DUDE saya: I would rather take my chances of being one of 49 than one of thousands! Do the math!
Happy thoughts happy thoughts...........
FG
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From: Oztrailia
Capt TOGA:- that statement is true. However, I have never flown with PD in Cx.
Get the difference bud?
I'm impressed though.
Anyway, even if I had flown with PD in Cx it doesn't change the basis of my argument. PD left Cx to join a fast growing Airline to get a rapid command ( which he achieved in under 2 years ) He did not leave because he hated Cx or our standards here.
Get the difference bud?
I'm impressed though.
Anyway, even if I had flown with PD in Cx it doesn't change the basis of my argument. PD left Cx to join a fast growing Airline to get a rapid command ( which he achieved in under 2 years ) He did not leave because he hated Cx or our standards here.
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FG, stats are what ever you want them to say especially when you use wrong numbers. I have a friend who was hired at the end of 2000 and he was high in the 1200's so 990 is sure wrong for the summer of 01.
After 9/11 there were over 8000 furloughed pilots in the USA alone. How many did we have in CX? None!
United furloughed 2,172 pilots which reached 10+ years of service. So actually, your post is so full of un-truths you should retract it unless it was meant as a spoof!
As for CX re-hires, I believe over 80% were offered and most elected to say no.
Don't get me wrong...CX is a lousy place to work but I stand by with my opinion that it is secure.
After 9/11 there were over 8000 furloughed pilots in the USA alone. How many did we have in CX? None!
United furloughed 2,172 pilots which reached 10+ years of service. So actually, your post is so full of un-truths you should retract it unless it was meant as a spoof!
As for CX re-hires, I believe over 80% were offered and most elected to say no.
Don't get me wrong...CX is a lousy place to work but I stand by with my opinion that it is secure.
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Cpdude,
8000 furloughs in the USA vs. Zero furlough in Hong Kong.
Where did the towers collapse on 9/11? U.S. or Hong Kong? What exactly are you comparing?? And thanks for keep bringing up some of the worst events in this country's history as the basis for your argument. You're a real class act.
I wouldn't be too vocal mate, you guys may be dealt with another rounds of SARS and the BIRD FLU thing. Don't brag too loudly about CX's record, they didn't furlough you last time because they didn't need to.
It took an extraordinary event for our people to lose their jobs (temporarily). It can just take a bag of peanuts for you guys to lose your jobs permanently.
Good luck mate!
8000 furloughs in the USA vs. Zero furlough in Hong Kong.
Where did the towers collapse on 9/11? U.S. or Hong Kong? What exactly are you comparing?? And thanks for keep bringing up some of the worst events in this country's history as the basis for your argument. You're a real class act.
I wouldn't be too vocal mate, you guys may be dealt with another rounds of SARS and the BIRD FLU thing. Don't brag too loudly about CX's record, they didn't furlough you last time because they didn't need to.
It took an extraordinary event for our people to lose their jobs (temporarily). It can just take a bag of peanuts for you guys to lose your jobs permanently.
Good luck mate!
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From: UK
No furlough, but it didn't stop them taking our money with that stupid SLS scam. It was voluntary wasn't it? The only catch was that if you didn't agree to it you would have been sacked. No, no furlough for CX, there are other ways of keeping an airline afloat during hard times. Namely robbing your staff!!
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CP Dude:
First off I ain't no newbie by a long stretch.
Secondly I did not say that those were actual numbers. What I was trying to point out (albeit rather poorly) is that 4% of our pilots being fired IS ALOT. To furlough 4% UAL is looking at 300+ pilots. It would have to be another 9/11 for it to be that bad at every major in the US. With the US economy forecast for moderate growth this year I do not see any signiificant recession on the horizon either.
So which is more likely ? Further industrial strife here or massive terrorist action within the US ? ....hmmmm
So please spare me the retoric about untruths. Speaking of untruths get your facts about the 49ers straight. All were offered a CHANCE to come back, in return for giving up the law suits. As a group they said no, we (the AOA) then forced the deal on them. Then the co. chose a few they liked and turned down those they did not. I have friends who wanted to come back and were not accepted. ALOT worse than furlough, as the emotional stress is considerably higher.
Since I joined I have seen 4 captains fired, 6 Fos fired, and 3 Sos fired. I have also seen 4 Captains demoted and alot of FOs catb'd. All of these things must be factored against the risk of being furloughed. These are just the ones I know about. I am sure there are more. I would rather be furloughed after 10 years than fired, or so fed up that you quit anyway. It results in the same thing -looking for work-. Only difference is while you are employed, the enjoyment factor in a US major is got to be better than here. Greenish brown grass or not.
FG
First off I ain't no newbie by a long stretch.
Secondly I did not say that those were actual numbers. What I was trying to point out (albeit rather poorly) is that 4% of our pilots being fired IS ALOT. To furlough 4% UAL is looking at 300+ pilots. It would have to be another 9/11 for it to be that bad at every major in the US. With the US economy forecast for moderate growth this year I do not see any signiificant recession on the horizon either.
So which is more likely ? Further industrial strife here or massive terrorist action within the US ? ....hmmmm
So please spare me the retoric about untruths. Speaking of untruths get your facts about the 49ers straight. All were offered a CHANCE to come back, in return for giving up the law suits. As a group they said no, we (the AOA) then forced the deal on them. Then the co. chose a few they liked and turned down those they did not. I have friends who wanted to come back and were not accepted. ALOT worse than furlough, as the emotional stress is considerably higher.
Since I joined I have seen 4 captains fired, 6 Fos fired, and 3 Sos fired. I have also seen 4 Captains demoted and alot of FOs catb'd. All of these things must be factored against the risk of being furloughed. These are just the ones I know about. I am sure there are more. I would rather be furloughed after 10 years than fired, or so fed up that you quit anyway. It results in the same thing -looking for work-. Only difference is while you are employed, the enjoyment factor in a US major is got to be better than here. Greenish brown grass or not.
FG
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United furloughed 2,172 pilots which reached 10+ years of service. Cpdude you have some untruths as well.....
2172 Correct, 10+ years of service NOT CORRECT! Closer to 4 1/2 yrs service when the furloughs stopped. I have a friend who works there, hired late summer 98' and was not furloughed. United's junior capt is a 97 hire, fyi.
2172 Correct, 10+ years of service NOT CORRECT! Closer to 4 1/2 yrs service when the furloughs stopped. I have a friend who works there, hired late summer 98' and was not furloughed. United's junior capt is a 97 hire, fyi.
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Just out of pure curiosity, what is the nationality/aviation background of these Cathay trainers that cause so much grief to the poor line guys. Is it homogeneous bunch, or a mixed bunch. This is a fascinating topic as there is absolutely no need for this kind of philosophy in todays aviation environment.
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qx747pilot,
Reading the posts here at pprune you would think that every C+T trip is a nightmare. Well, I have been nervous and anxious(self induced) before every check but the majority have been stress free. I have to say that almost 95-99% of any negative feedback has been justified.
Most of my checks for the last few years have been done by guys that were in C+T when I was an FO! So it makes me wonder what has changed. Has there been some corporate philosphy change? Or have the C+T'ers suddenly got angry or unforgiving? I feel that the checks have been consistent over the last decade on both sides of my command.
I dont know why there have been so many problems over the last few years. I think it is a complicated issue...for example, CX used to be a 'check' airline as it had mostly very experienced people joining. Now it is becoming a 'training' airline but it takes time for the corporate culture to change.
I can say this with absolute certainty...the absolute vast majority that think it is ok here and just get on with it, whilst being aware of CX's shortfalls, have very little problem with the upgrades. Those that notice each and every imperfection seem to continuously have problems. I am not trying to infer that being the 'squeaky wheel' will delay upgrades. I am trying to suggest that having a positive attitude is highly correlated to success within CX. Not a 'kiss-ass' attitude...more of the 'take responsibility for one's own f*#$ups attitude'. Yes there is inconsistency between trainers...one tells you to taxi on the centre line and accept the bumps, the next tells you to taxi off centreline to avoid bumps. The checker will invariably prefer the opposite to what you do. So what? Grow up! Wow, the world isn't always fair. The guys that whinge the most should go to some job that has absolute certainty of right and wrong with no variation...the "Stop/Go" sign holder on road works maybe!!!!
You dont have to read "The power of positive thinking" every day to get by here. Just get on with life...accept that sometimes, hopefully rarely, you will be hard done by(I have). If you decide before you come here that C+T at CX will be a problem, I guarantee you it will be a problem.
No one has ever accused me of being chuck yeager and yet I have got through mostly unscathed by the same C+T guys that others complain about. Unlike some posters here I have been subjected to these guys on multiple occasions.
So mr anti-rupert murdoch, it is difficult to answer your question. I haven't seen any trend in my past or to the gripes I hear about from FOs. Maybe it is a case of just being uncomfortable with any C+T being a different nationality from our own?
Reading the posts here at pprune you would think that every C+T trip is a nightmare. Well, I have been nervous and anxious(self induced) before every check but the majority have been stress free. I have to say that almost 95-99% of any negative feedback has been justified.
Most of my checks for the last few years have been done by guys that were in C+T when I was an FO! So it makes me wonder what has changed. Has there been some corporate philosphy change? Or have the C+T'ers suddenly got angry or unforgiving? I feel that the checks have been consistent over the last decade on both sides of my command.
I dont know why there have been so many problems over the last few years. I think it is a complicated issue...for example, CX used to be a 'check' airline as it had mostly very experienced people joining. Now it is becoming a 'training' airline but it takes time for the corporate culture to change.
I can say this with absolute certainty...the absolute vast majority that think it is ok here and just get on with it, whilst being aware of CX's shortfalls, have very little problem with the upgrades. Those that notice each and every imperfection seem to continuously have problems. I am not trying to infer that being the 'squeaky wheel' will delay upgrades. I am trying to suggest that having a positive attitude is highly correlated to success within CX. Not a 'kiss-ass' attitude...more of the 'take responsibility for one's own f*#$ups attitude'. Yes there is inconsistency between trainers...one tells you to taxi on the centre line and accept the bumps, the next tells you to taxi off centreline to avoid bumps. The checker will invariably prefer the opposite to what you do. So what? Grow up! Wow, the world isn't always fair. The guys that whinge the most should go to some job that has absolute certainty of right and wrong with no variation...the "Stop/Go" sign holder on road works maybe!!!!
You dont have to read "The power of positive thinking" every day to get by here. Just get on with life...accept that sometimes, hopefully rarely, you will be hard done by(I have). If you decide before you come here that C+T at CX will be a problem, I guarantee you it will be a problem.
No one has ever accused me of being chuck yeager and yet I have got through mostly unscathed by the same C+T guys that others complain about. Unlike some posters here I have been subjected to these guys on multiple occasions.
So mr anti-rupert murdoch, it is difficult to answer your question. I haven't seen any trend in my past or to the gripes I hear about from FOs. Maybe it is a case of just being uncomfortable with any C+T being a different nationality from our own?
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From: Vancouver. BC Canada
The purpose of this short posting is to reach out to any potential new-joiner reading this thread. It would be natural to think twice about Cathay given the comments by regretCX and others.
In my opinion, the most accurate single-paragraph summary of what is required at Cathay is contained within the post above by numero crunchero:
I can say this with absolute certainty...the absolute vast majority that think it is ok here and just get on with it, whilst being aware of CX's shortfalls, have very little problem with the upgrades. Those that notice each and every imperfection seem to continuously have problems. I am not trying to infer that being the 'squeaky wheel' will delay upgrades. I am trying to suggest that having a positive attitude is highly correlated to success within CX. Not a 'kiss-ass' attitude...more of the 'take responsibility for one's own f*#$ups attitude'.
I could not agree more.
In my opinion, the most accurate single-paragraph summary of what is required at Cathay is contained within the post above by numero crunchero:
I can say this with absolute certainty...the absolute vast majority that think it is ok here and just get on with it, whilst being aware of CX's shortfalls, have very little problem with the upgrades. Those that notice each and every imperfection seem to continuously have problems. I am not trying to infer that being the 'squeaky wheel' will delay upgrades. I am trying to suggest that having a positive attitude is highly correlated to success within CX. Not a 'kiss-ass' attitude...more of the 'take responsibility for one's own f*#$ups attitude'.
I could not agree more.