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In his letter KW said;
"I have also authorised a bonus for last year for all cabin crew, even if they went on strike, in recognition of your work over the year as a whole."
Will someone please reassure me that this is not a special bonus just for cabin crew..........we're all getting a bonus surely? I wasn't aware that it has been confirmed yet for the rest of us who have supported BA so gallantly over the last 2 years.
Also, instead of continuing to say "we're ready to talk", I challenge Unite to arrange a time and a place to actually talk with BA. It will then be down to BA to be there or be.......not there. Enough of this childish talk, it's pathetic and the membership deserve better. BA will not initiate a meeting as they don't need to. A strike will not stop BA from operating an almost complete schedule, so they're not 'bovered'. BA view Unite as a nuisance, nothing more. However, if Unite arrange a meeting time and place how would it look in the public eye if BA don't turn up?
"I have also authorised a bonus for last year for all cabin crew, even if they went on strike, in recognition of your work over the year as a whole."
Will someone please reassure me that this is not a special bonus just for cabin crew..........we're all getting a bonus surely? I wasn't aware that it has been confirmed yet for the rest of us who have supported BA so gallantly over the last 2 years.
Also, instead of continuing to say "we're ready to talk", I challenge Unite to arrange a time and a place to actually talk with BA. It will then be down to BA to be there or be.......not there. Enough of this childish talk, it's pathetic and the membership deserve better. BA will not initiate a meeting as they don't need to. A strike will not stop BA from operating an almost complete schedule, so they're not 'bovered'. BA view Unite as a nuisance, nothing more. However, if Unite arrange a meeting time and place how would it look in the public eye if BA don't turn up?
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And that interpretation may turn out to be unlawful.
BA can withhold all of the bonus from strikers, if it chooses to. And it has already stated precisely that for any cabin crew strikers in the forthcoming financial year - strike for one day or five, it doesn't matter - they won't get any bonus!
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I can't believe these people are getting a bonus. I can't believe it.
We are rewarding the very people who put in jeopardy the prospect of every other person in the company [entitled to the bonus] actually getting it.
£400.00 is a hefty chunk of money and I'm delighted to be getting it. But that those who have sent me nasty messages by text and on Facebook, those who chanted intimidating messages at me (indirectly) as I drove past them on the picket line during the strikes and those who put on such a disgusting display during their silly marches and open-top sightseeing tours to the high court are getting it too.... annoys the almighty crap out of me.
They'll just put this money into their "war chest" for the next strike.
This bonus is awarded - or should be awarded - for supporting the company in cutting costs, resulting in a certain level of profit. As I see it, though they may have done so for part of the year, those who went on strike and supported the industrial action didn't back the company for the full year. So it should either be pro-rated or not paid at all (and my vote is with the latter).
We are rewarding the very people who put in jeopardy the prospect of every other person in the company [entitled to the bonus] actually getting it.
£400.00 is a hefty chunk of money and I'm delighted to be getting it. But that those who have sent me nasty messages by text and on Facebook, those who chanted intimidating messages at me (indirectly) as I drove past them on the picket line during the strikes and those who put on such a disgusting display during their silly marches and open-top sightseeing tours to the high court are getting it too.... annoys the almighty crap out of me.
They'll just put this money into their "war chest" for the next strike.
This bonus is awarded - or should be awarded - for supporting the company in cutting costs, resulting in a certain level of profit. As I see it, though they may have done so for part of the year, those who went on strike and supported the industrial action didn't back the company for the full year. So it should either be pro-rated or not paid at all (and my vote is with the latter).
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I'm told a number of members of the Leadership Team were against awarding the bonus to strikers but were overruled by KW who felt that as it wasn't a previously stated sanction it would be unfair to deny them it. I suppose he needs to be seen to be scrupulously fair.
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I am pleased that they are getting the bonus.
I don't need any more Martyrs wondering around.
It has had a good affect on some of the strikers that I have talked to. It has made some of them realise that BA is a fair and good employer and I am sure, will make some of them think twice before following the Bassa mentalists into another strike.
You see the majority of strikers are just ordinary crew that have been badly advised by a nutty union and I do believe that some are starting to see the light and this gesture can only help. Plus, I believe, also that because their was no prior warning about it, that is why it would be difficult for BA not to pay it to all.
Just my own personal view and not the views of my employer BA.
I don't need any more Martyrs wondering around.
It has had a good affect on some of the strikers that I have talked to. It has made some of them realise that BA is a fair and good employer and I am sure, will make some of them think twice before following the Bassa mentalists into another strike.
You see the majority of strikers are just ordinary crew that have been badly advised by a nutty union and I do believe that some are starting to see the light and this gesture can only help. Plus, I believe, also that because their was no prior warning about it, that is why it would be difficult for BA not to pay it to all.
Just my own personal view and not the views of my employer BA.
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While I agree with what you say Eddy with regard to the bonus, at some point there will have to be some kind of reconciliation between the warring parties. This may take a long time and it may be a difficult process but someone has to start to be reasonable.
In the grand scheme of things this is small issue. I suspect it will make no difference whatsoever but I applaud KW for trying to take some of the bitterness out of something that ought to be a trade dispute without the rancour that exists.
If BASSA continues to behave true to form, their reward may well be significantly altered contracts through a 90 day notice of change. If that is the end position of BA should BASSA continue with their corporate stupidity, KW may be offering the olive branch so that he can say "well I tried but they just will not see reason - issue to 90 day notices".
In the grand scheme of things this is small issue. I suspect it will make no difference whatsoever but I applaud KW for trying to take some of the bitterness out of something that ought to be a trade dispute without the rancour that exists.
If BASSA continues to behave true to form, their reward may well be significantly altered contracts through a 90 day notice of change. If that is the end position of BA should BASSA continue with their corporate stupidity, KW may be offering the olive branch so that he can say "well I tried but they just will not see reason - issue to 90 day notices".
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While I agree with what you say Eddy with regard to the bonus, at some point there will have to be some kind of reconciliation between the warring parties. This may take a long time and it may be a difficult process but someone has to start to be reasonable.
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Nope. I'm with Eddy. It is a real kick in the teeth knowing that some of the most militant strikers will probably get more of a bonus, even pro rata, than my £400 I'll get despite being a full time purser of five years and operating the LCY-JFK route. Yes I'm grateful for it but it does leave a slightly bitter taste.
Time for all this tiptoeing around the strikers to stop BA, as whilst you're treating them ever so fairly, you're forgetting the rest of us in the company - all of the company - that have worked our rears off to help make this profit!
I'm starting to wonder if this leadership team is actually much stronger than those that have gone before. Enough is enough....
Betty Girl,
Sorry, completely off thread and not a criticism, just sheer curiosity. What's the reason for the angel on your posts? Is there a significance or is it like a signature?
Time for all this tiptoeing around the strikers to stop BA, as whilst you're treating them ever so fairly, you're forgetting the rest of us in the company - all of the company - that have worked our rears off to help make this profit!
I'm starting to wonder if this leadership team is actually much stronger than those that have gone before. Enough is enough....
Betty Girl,
Sorry, completely off thread and not a criticism, just sheer curiosity. What's the reason for the angel on your posts? Is there a significance or is it like a signature?
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Originally Posted by Juan Tugoh
there will have to be some kind of reconciliation between the warring parties. This may take a long time and it may be a difficult process but someone has to start to be reasonable.
Let's remember that BA could have allowed the latest ballot to go through to strike action before releasing news that the idiots at Unite had executed the ballot illegally, again, and dropping the bomb shell that those who took part in the illegal strike action were subject to dismissal.
Yeah, someone has to start paving the way towards reconciliation, but the initial slabs have already been laid. Some short sighted individuals - a minority, but nevertheless a large number - fail to see that, though.
Hope they save their four-hundred quid! They might need it.
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I can't believe these people are getting a bonus. I can't believe it.
We are rewarding the very people who put in jeopardy the prospect of every other person in the company [entitled to the bonus] actually getting it.
We are rewarding the very people who put in jeopardy the prospect of every other person in the company [entitled to the bonus] actually getting it.
£400.00 is a hefty chunk of money and I'm delighted to be getting it. But that those who have sent me nasty messages by text and on FacePPRuNe, those who chanted intimidating messages at me (indirectly) as I drove past them on the picket line during the strikes and those who put on such a disgusting display during their silly marches and open-top sightseeing tours to the high court are getting it too.... annoys the almighty crap out of me.
This bonus is awarded - or should be awarded - for supporting the company in cutting costs, resulting in a certain level of profit. As I see it, though they may have done so for part of the year, those who went on strike and supported the industrial action didn't back the company for the full year. So it should either be pro-rated or not paid at all (and my vote is with the latter).
Eddy - you would be far better off trying to find out why a striker got the job of CSM whilst you didn't - after all you backed BA and according to your own line of thinking - they have "kicked you in the testes' more than once.