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Bonus will be pro-rated for anybody that took strike action. Not quite sure how they will do that. Sounds like a complicated formula!
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Sounds like a complicated formula!
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With the bonus announcement, and the recent announcement that IFCE has achieved the desired £127m cost saving, are we to now presume that the fight for survival is over.
As for animosity towards mixed fleet crew from legacy crew, I see very little of it. The majority of 'legacy' crew know that the majority of new crew have absolutely no blame in this god awful mess. I recently operated to a destination with a full B777 mixed fleet crew positioning onboard. A pleasant time was had by most, outside of the service mingling in the galley and discussing issues. Indeed only their CSM was reluctant to integrate (and therefore didn't). Both parties were honest and open about their issues and from what I was told directly, most of the stories and issues disregarded as myths by BA and BA backers are actually true.
As for animosity towards mixed fleet crew from legacy crew, I see very little of it. The majority of 'legacy' crew know that the majority of new crew have absolutely no blame in this god awful mess. I recently operated to a destination with a full B777 mixed fleet crew positioning onboard. A pleasant time was had by most, outside of the service mingling in the galley and discussing issues. Indeed only their CSM was reluctant to integrate (and therefore didn't). Both parties were honest and open about their issues and from what I was told directly, most of the stories and issues disregarded as myths by BA and BA backers are actually true.
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With the bonus announcement, and the recent announcement that IFCE has achieved the desired £127m cost saving, are we to now presume that the fight for survival is over.
Most employees accept this, hence our willingness to adapt, as we have done so in the past.
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$113 a barrel and dropping.
So we are still in a fight for survival despite todays profits and bonuses I still have to forego fundamental rights and ever reducing t&cs.
Or perhaps the economy gave the perfect opportunity to bust a major section of Unite. The problem is Op Colombus came to light whilst we were making record profits.
So we are still in a fight for survival despite todays profits and bonuses I still have to forego fundamental rights and ever reducing t&cs.
Or perhaps the economy gave the perfect opportunity to bust a major section of Unite. The problem is Op Colombus came to light whilst we were making record profits.
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Precisely what fundamental rights have you lost?
And how good do you think a 9 month profit before tax of £157M is compared to the cost of the capital employed to achieve that? Do you think BA represents a good return for investors?
And how good do you think a 9 month profit before tax of £157M is compared to the cost of the capital employed to achieve that? Do you think BA represents a good return for investors?
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What rights have you given up? My view is that striking is a right and not an obligation. I also feel that the particular section of Unite that you refer to has done a good enough job of "busting" it's own existence. A union should represent the views of its members not impose a mindset upon them.
I have received my first payslip with my 3% pay rise this month. Sure, with inflation running at around 4% it equates to a 1% cut in real terms. A small price to pay when I consider what is happening to people with jobs in other parts of the economy. Then again when I add in the money I save from not paying Unite I am just about on the same real income as I was before the GFC began. Not bad all things considerecd.
How have your rights and your union maintained your spending power? If you used natural gas to heat your home this winter for example would you have continued to pay the bill if the gas didn't heat your home?
I have received my first payslip with my 3% pay rise this month. Sure, with inflation running at around 4% it equates to a 1% cut in real terms. A small price to pay when I consider what is happening to people with jobs in other parts of the economy. Then again when I add in the money I save from not paying Unite I am just about on the same real income as I was before the GFC began. Not bad all things considerecd.
How have your rights and your union maintained your spending power? If you used natural gas to heat your home this winter for example would you have continued to pay the bill if the gas didn't heat your home?
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And in one sentence we can gauge the ignorant viewpoint regarding the airline industry.
You do realise that the aircraft we have on order (B787 and A380) are not free - we do have to pay for them?
And that the oil price WILL rise again and again. It may come down a little now and then but we will NEVER see less than £80 per barrel.
And that we need to fund a new shorthaul fleet over the next 10 years.
etc.
etc.
The fight is not over - it's ongoing.
....are we to now presume that the fight for survival is over.
You do realise that the aircraft we have on order (B787 and A380) are not free - we do have to pay for them?
And that the oil price WILL rise again and again. It may come down a little now and then but we will NEVER see less than £80 per barrel.
And that we need to fund a new shorthaul fleet over the next 10 years.
etc.
etc.
The fight is not over - it's ongoing.
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This morning I got on an aircraft that had just been brought in by the Captain and when I told him about the profit sharing, as I knew he had been on a night stop and had not heard, the first thing he said was 'pull the other one' and when I said 'No Really we are all getting profit share' his exact words were 'I guess this means that the fight for survivals is over then'
My point is that many people within the airline are surprised by this profit.
I think that we have got a bad time ahead particularly with the Libyan and Middle Eastern situation and the future cost of fuel and I am personaly glad that BA have had the forethought to protect our future and make these savings but it is more than just Bassa supporters that are wondering whether ' Our fight for Survival' was really just a handy way to get many cuts through.
Obviously, without these savings and efficiencies, we would not have made any profit.
I don't think it is fair though for people to knock people because they are Bassa supporters for having this view, when I actually think it is a view held by many BA staff, whether right or wrong, in many different departments throughout BA.
These are my personal thoughts and not those of my employer BA.
My point is that many people within the airline are surprised by this profit.
I think that we have got a bad time ahead particularly with the Libyan and Middle Eastern situation and the future cost of fuel and I am personaly glad that BA have had the forethought to protect our future and make these savings but it is more than just Bassa supporters that are wondering whether ' Our fight for Survival' was really just a handy way to get many cuts through.
Obviously, without these savings and efficiencies, we would not have made any profit.
I don't think it is fair though for people to knock people because they are Bassa supporters for having this view, when I actually think it is a view held by many BA staff, whether right or wrong, in many different departments throughout BA.
These are my personal thoughts and not those of my employer BA.
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Fight on brother!
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...tee hee!! Genius!
Yes.....I hear they're talking about FORCING us to take a bonus.....oppressive bstards!
Representatives elected and paid good money on top of their BA salary by BA Cabin Crew have bluntly and selfishly refused to modernise and compromise even a little on their inefficient and inflexible working practices for so long, whilst standing idly by, watching their fellow employees give, give and give some more to keep OUR company profitable.
This is the uncomfortable truth as to why it is the best rewarded group in the entire airline per productive hour and why it is nothing short of outrageous to suggest your ts&cs couldn't use a little trim, being the most generous in the entire industry (that's worldwide), costing our company SO much money that yet again I had to take a paycut this year (9% infact!), and my terms and conditions have been eroded, again, and I'm working harder too, to help our company survive and compete....oh and of course to bankroll your refusal to help keep our company afloat, or even take your foot of its head, when faced with bankruptcy (verified by independent accountants (ones funded by all the other unions who could be bothered to look at the company's confidential accounts before threatening to ruin the livelihoods of 35,000 unrelated employees by inflicting protracted and totally unjustifiable industrial action)).
Also, you wrote....
This observation should lead you to the glaringly obvious fact that BA Cabin Crew costs and inefficiencies have been a very large and very heavy millstone around BAs neck for many many years. This is not a recent problem; just because previous weak CEOs didn't have the bottle to take on the hissyfitters doesn't mean it wasn't always a big issue.
It was only the very real and provable threat of potential extinction that spurred the management into what they knew would turn out to be a bitter and entrenched fight with some of its most easily replaceable employees.
All this kicked off, let's not forget, over working ever-so-slightly harder FOR THE SAME MONEY, BENEFITS, PENSION AND Ts & Cs, losing one cabin crew member on a 747, from 15 to 14, but getting the CSD out of their office to cover any shortfall which may arise over the course of a 10 hour flight....well boo-frickety-hoo....hardly the 9% pay-cut the rest of us are seeing in our monthly take home and certainly not against anyone's 'fundamental rights' for goodness sake.
Incidentally, if this minor change has saved the company the required £127,000,000 how much do you think all the other massive inefficiencies and ridiculous payments cost BrUtish Airways each year?! The mind boggles!
I still have to forego fundamental rights
Yes.....I hear they're talking about FORCING us to take a bonus.....oppressive bstards!
Representatives elected and paid good money on top of their BA salary by BA Cabin Crew have bluntly and selfishly refused to modernise and compromise even a little on their inefficient and inflexible working practices for so long, whilst standing idly by, watching their fellow employees give, give and give some more to keep OUR company profitable.
This is the uncomfortable truth as to why it is the best rewarded group in the entire airline per productive hour and why it is nothing short of outrageous to suggest your ts&cs couldn't use a little trim, being the most generous in the entire industry (that's worldwide), costing our company SO much money that yet again I had to take a paycut this year (9% infact!), and my terms and conditions have been eroded, again, and I'm working harder too, to help our company survive and compete....oh and of course to bankroll your refusal to help keep our company afloat, or even take your foot of its head, when faced with bankruptcy (verified by independent accountants (ones funded by all the other unions who could be bothered to look at the company's confidential accounts before threatening to ruin the livelihoods of 35,000 unrelated employees by inflicting protracted and totally unjustifiable industrial action)).
Also, you wrote....
The problem is Op Colombus came to light whilst we were making record profits.
It was only the very real and provable threat of potential extinction that spurred the management into what they knew would turn out to be a bitter and entrenched fight with some of its most easily replaceable employees.
All this kicked off, let's not forget, over working ever-so-slightly harder FOR THE SAME MONEY, BENEFITS, PENSION AND Ts & Cs, losing one cabin crew member on a 747, from 15 to 14, but getting the CSD out of their office to cover any shortfall which may arise over the course of a 10 hour flight....well boo-frickety-hoo....hardly the 9% pay-cut the rest of us are seeing in our monthly take home and certainly not against anyone's 'fundamental rights' for goodness sake.
Incidentally, if this minor change has saved the company the required £127,000,000 how much do you think all the other massive inefficiencies and ridiculous payments cost BrUtish Airways each year?! The mind boggles!
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.....and ever reducing t&cs.
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I have been kindly given this link by a well informed poster on the SLF threads.
I am posting it in the hope that some Bassa supporters might see it and maybe think twice about dragging BA through yet more strikes.
Please see the light, I know many of you are because daily strikers tell me they are coming round to the realisation, that this strike has been a complete waste of time but this is for all you others to look at and realise how important it is, that we all pull together to help BA through this bad time in aviation and not make matters any worse.
BBC News - BA parent firm IAG posts 21m euro profit
Please stop and reflect on what you are putting the very company, that pays your wages, through.
These are my personal views and I don't speak for or on behalf of BA.
I am posting it in the hope that some Bassa supporters might see it and maybe think twice about dragging BA through yet more strikes.
Please see the light, I know many of you are because daily strikers tell me they are coming round to the realisation, that this strike has been a complete waste of time but this is for all you others to look at and realise how important it is, that we all pull together to help BA through this bad time in aviation and not make matters any worse.
BBC News - BA parent firm IAG posts 21m euro profit
Please stop and reflect on what you are putting the very company, that pays your wages, through.
These are my personal views and I don't speak for or on behalf of BA.
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From KW the CEO today:
To all cabin crew:
A personal message from Keith Williams, CEO
As the new chief executive of British Airways, I wanted to write to you personally to give my view of how things stand in the long-running dispute with Unite. I know this issue is of great concern to you, and I hope you will take a couple of minutes to read this letter.
I want my time in this job to be marked more than anything by the extra focus we place on customers – and you play a massive part in determining how good our customers feel about flying with BA.
I continually receive reports of how cabin crew have gone out of their way to make customers’ journeys more enjoyable or relaxing. You are at the absolute heart of our brand.
In any kind of dispute, words can be said which give vent to anger or frustration. I want us to put such things behind us and find a new language that reflects our common purpose in helping each other create the best possible experience for customers.
Despite the tough times we face, I have protected funds to invest for the benefit of customers. We are purchasing new aircraft, introducing new cabins, preparing to bring in improved catering, strengthening our premium service training and using new technologies to offer better entertainment in the air and less hassle on the ground.
I have brought in a new managing director for brands and customer experience, Frank van der Post. He has spent many years in the luxury hotel sector, striving – as we do – to achieve supreme standards of service for a very discerning international clientele.
Frank has been extremely impressed by the dedication and enthusiasm he has found among crew and, with Bill Francis, has many ideas for how we can make it easier for you to provide an excellent experience for customers every time they fly.
I have also authorised a bonus for last year for all cabin crew, even if they went on strike, in recognition of your work over the year as a whole.
If you belong to Unite, I am sure you know by now that the union is balloting for a fourth time for strike action. That is more ballots than in any dispute in the UK in living memory.
Despite allegations to the contrary in some quarters, I have made myself available for talks with Unite – and I want such talks to bring a successful conclusion.
I do not want more confrontation. But everyone knows that if Unite calls a strike again, we will again implement our well-rehearsed contingency plans, which this time will include flying 100 per cent of longhaul. And this time, I would not approve any bonus for anyone joining a strike.
Unite seems to have run out of ideas – it is stuck in a groove and keeps turning to outdated union tactics because it doesn’t know what else to do.
I am asking you to turn away from supporting another grim cycle of strikes and recrimination.
Voting for a strike, even if you privately intend to work normally, causes uncertainty for customers and damages our airline. It brings more divisiveness on board and prolongs the anxieties I know you feel.
I am the new chief executive and I want a new start. I want a positive relationship with all cabin crew whether in Unite or not. And I want a brilliant future for you.
I know that with new investment and your professionalism and expertise, we can completely outshine the competition and make this airline the best in the world – both for customers and for you. That is the prize. Let us look to the future and seize it.
With best wishes,
Keith Williams
To all cabin crew:
A personal message from Keith Williams, CEO
As the new chief executive of British Airways, I wanted to write to you personally to give my view of how things stand in the long-running dispute with Unite. I know this issue is of great concern to you, and I hope you will take a couple of minutes to read this letter.
I want my time in this job to be marked more than anything by the extra focus we place on customers – and you play a massive part in determining how good our customers feel about flying with BA.
I continually receive reports of how cabin crew have gone out of their way to make customers’ journeys more enjoyable or relaxing. You are at the absolute heart of our brand.
In any kind of dispute, words can be said which give vent to anger or frustration. I want us to put such things behind us and find a new language that reflects our common purpose in helping each other create the best possible experience for customers.
Despite the tough times we face, I have protected funds to invest for the benefit of customers. We are purchasing new aircraft, introducing new cabins, preparing to bring in improved catering, strengthening our premium service training and using new technologies to offer better entertainment in the air and less hassle on the ground.
I have brought in a new managing director for brands and customer experience, Frank van der Post. He has spent many years in the luxury hotel sector, striving – as we do – to achieve supreme standards of service for a very discerning international clientele.
Frank has been extremely impressed by the dedication and enthusiasm he has found among crew and, with Bill Francis, has many ideas for how we can make it easier for you to provide an excellent experience for customers every time they fly.
I have also authorised a bonus for last year for all cabin crew, even if they went on strike, in recognition of your work over the year as a whole.
If you belong to Unite, I am sure you know by now that the union is balloting for a fourth time for strike action. That is more ballots than in any dispute in the UK in living memory.
Despite allegations to the contrary in some quarters, I have made myself available for talks with Unite – and I want such talks to bring a successful conclusion.
I do not want more confrontation. But everyone knows that if Unite calls a strike again, we will again implement our well-rehearsed contingency plans, which this time will include flying 100 per cent of longhaul. And this time, I would not approve any bonus for anyone joining a strike.
Unite seems to have run out of ideas – it is stuck in a groove and keeps turning to outdated union tactics because it doesn’t know what else to do.
I am asking you to turn away from supporting another grim cycle of strikes and recrimination.
Voting for a strike, even if you privately intend to work normally, causes uncertainty for customers and damages our airline. It brings more divisiveness on board and prolongs the anxieties I know you feel.
I am the new chief executive and I want a new start. I want a positive relationship with all cabin crew whether in Unite or not. And I want a brilliant future for you.
I know that with new investment and your professionalism and expertise, we can completely outshine the competition and make this airline the best in the world – both for customers and for you. That is the prize. Let us look to the future and seize it.
With best wishes,
Keith Williams
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I suppose now that there will probably be some (most?) pro strikers who will start jumping up and down and say they're being discriminated against? 
They just don't seem to get it!
They just don't seem to get it!
galanjal:
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The irony is that the high costs of many of BA's cabin crew, plus the utterly inefficient BASSA-inspired processes for using those crew, has meant BA has had less money to spend on the service delivered to customer! 
Human Factor:
It may just be a little more subtle than "on strike for seven days or more". When BA crew went on strike for, say, a single day, BA removed them from their rosters and informed them that as they had willingly made themselves unavailable for work, BA would decide when they would be re-rostered i.e. strikers wouldn't necessarily get their next rostered duty. This meant that someone who thought they were only striking for one day actually lost out on work (and commensurate pay and allowances) for more than that, as BA filled their next rostered position with a volunteer or a non-striker. Consequently, the pro-rated days for loss of bonus eligiblity has the potential to encompass far more of the strikers than they themselves realise! 'Officially' striking for just one day may actually be interpreted by BA as several days unavailable for work, depending on when an individual striker actually next turned up for duty! 
my gripe will always be with a managment who have stripped away my ability to deliver a premium service to my customers
With regards to us not being able to deliver to our customers, again I agree with you, however, its not just a BA thing, its happening all over service industry. Cuts here, cuts there, welcome to the New World.
Human Factor:
Alternatively it could be an extremely simple formula. If you were on strike for seven days or more, perhaps you get nothing.
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Desperate reps
Here's the latest from two BASSA reps in relation to "Keef" Williams' latest message;
And from Heil Holley;
Love us, please love us. It's a hissy fit with that big girl's blouse leading the stomping.
If he's serious and really running the show now, pick up the phone and talk.
Exactly XXXXX - BA have my mobile nos, they have YYYYY and they have ZZZZZZ's.
Keith has not yet provided his to us.
Everyone and anyone in BASSA will meet him anytime, anywhere - all he has to do is dial one of our numbers.
I am afraid his letter is very hypocritical. If he really wants peace then why be so demeaning.
Keith has not yet provided his to us.
Everyone and anyone in BASSA will meet him anytime, anywhere - all he has to do is dial one of our numbers.
I am afraid his letter is very hypocritical. If he really wants peace then why be so demeaning.