British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
DH certainly has his own agenda here, but, sadly, he's leading naive folk to their demise.
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There is no need for us to rush into another ballot. And no comfort LD in the fact the turnout was low in the consultative ballot. A real ballot would be different.
Still no rush for that. No breakthrough in the talks is expected and in view BA are so anxious over the ongoing litigation, hence the clause dropping it in the last "final offer", we might as well let things roll nearer to Christmas.
Walsh has got to keep his VCC army in recency and soon the departments they come from will be able to make do without them. Makes sense doesn't it?
£11,000 pa and £2.40 an hour beckons.
Still no rush for that. No breakthrough in the talks is expected and in view BA are so anxious over the ongoing litigation, hence the clause dropping it in the last "final offer", we might as well let things roll nearer to Christmas.
Walsh has got to keep his VCC army in recency and soon the departments they come from will be able to make do without them. Makes sense doesn't it?
£11,000 pa and £2.40 an hour beckons.
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Mr Walsh doesn't seem to have put a foot wrong so far Duggie, yet BASSA seem to have slipped from one banana skin to another throughout this whole debacle. And BA are 'so anxious' talks broke up as soon as they started, if someone was worried there would have been lots of background calls going on all over the weekend.
He has better lawyers than BASSA.
He has better lawyers than BASSA.
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Of course a real strike ballot would have a better turn out. They'd get far more people voting to send Willie a strong message, then 40% of the YES voters would work through the strike.
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I doubt that all the striking commuter's will want this fiasco to drag on until christmas, many will simply not be able to afford the full fare tickets they are currently paying to get to work.
Besides, the ball is firmly in BA's court. If BASSA start any delaying tactics they will simply impose the current offer on existing crew forcing them to ballot. BASSA have backed themselves and their members into a corner and the only way out with job intact is to accept the current proposal and move on!
Unless of course by some miracle BASSA can come up with a mandate that is not directly linked to the last - what are the chances?
Besides, the ball is firmly in BA's court. If BASSA start any delaying tactics they will simply impose the current offer on existing crew forcing them to ballot. BASSA have backed themselves and their members into a corner and the only way out with job intact is to accept the current proposal and move on!
Unless of course by some miracle BASSA can come up with a mandate that is not directly linked to the last - what are the chances?
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We shall see who has the better lawyers in October. Why did the latest 'final offer' include a 'drop the litigation' clause? Bit of a giveaway really.
With the business motoring forward with Transatlantic Anti-Trust Immunity with American Airlines and Iberia and the Iberia merger (cue a claim that the entire BA LHR operation is to be shifted to MAD), BA's formidable in-house lawyers have plenty to keep themselves occupied, and it is hardly surprising the company wants to the case dropped. Not least because the company would want all matters related to this futile episode closed so it can get on with running a business.
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Time is on our side. Iberia has said that they are not signing anything till BA sort out its dispute with the cabin crew. Willie is running out of time, therefore we can drag this out for months yet. I do not envisage any settlement this side of Christmas.
Mixed Fleet is no threat as it will not work. Many of our temp crew are already saying that they are not applying for it.The turnover of staff will be horrendous and will cost BA loads, putting a constant strain on recruitment and training. How many of the VCC's are applying for it? Why not? They have already done the SEP!! Has Timothy Claypole applied?
Go on you VCC's .Back BA!!! Join the Mixed Fleet.
Mixed Fleet is no threat as it will not work. Many of our temp crew are already saying that they are not applying for it.The turnover of staff will be horrendous and will cost BA loads, putting a constant strain on recruitment and training. How many of the VCC's are applying for it? Why not? They have already done the SEP!! Has Timothy Claypole applied?
Go on you VCC's .Back BA!!! Join the Mixed Fleet.
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Iberia don't give a fig about the cabin crew dispute, they only wanted the pension issue resolving. And it has been resolved. Meanwhile back at the looney bin BASSA are concentrating on the important stuff:
So now they want a H&S assessment before closing a window blind. Riiiight.
BASSA > Latest News
Closing Window Blinds At The End Of Your Flight
Aug 2nd, 2010 by admin
It has been brought to our attention that crew are being asked to close all the window blinds at the end of each flight. This has not been agreed with BASSA and no safe working practice has been trialled. The normal practice when anything new is introduced is that the Health, Safety and Welfare committee would carry out a risk assessment to confirm that everything is safe.
Please note that no provision has been put in place for this extra duty and therefore you should not be carrying it out. If we do this it will become normal working practice and you will then become obliged to do it and then what next - pick up all the litter?
Please politely refuse if you are asked to do this at the end of your flight.
Closing Window Blinds At The End Of Your Flight
Aug 2nd, 2010 by admin
It has been brought to our attention that crew are being asked to close all the window blinds at the end of each flight. This has not been agreed with BASSA and no safe working practice has been trialled. The normal practice when anything new is introduced is that the Health, Safety and Welfare committee would carry out a risk assessment to confirm that everything is safe.Please note that no provision has been put in place for this extra duty and therefore you should not be carrying it out. If we do this it will become normal working practice and you will then become obliged to do it and then what next - pick up all the litter?
Please politely refuse if you are asked to do this at the end of your flight.
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If this wasnt so stupid it would be laughable. It reminds me of a TV programme in the 1960's where every 10 minutes a shop stewart would blow a whistle shouting everybody out. How long does it take 14 people to close the blinds ? 3 minutes ? 4 ? 5?
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Duggie,
You keep going on about VCC whilst having little clue about them.
Obviously, the 500 VCC who are pilots will remain pilots.
Also, rather obviously, the great majority of the other VCC, like office workers, ramp staff and and engineers, would take a big drop in pay if they joined Mixed Fleet. In any case, they already have their own jobs and careers. So, they will also remain in their current jobs.
You just don't seem to realise that people have volunteered in a variety of ways to keep BA flying. It's no good pointing out those passenger service agents who have become VCC and want to join MF. There will always be exceptions, but the vast majority of VCC no more want to be permanent cabin crew than WDC rebookers want to become call centre agents.
What I do think is great is that due to action taken by people with your point of view, BA now has this growing army of volunteers to help keep most flights operating. Who says that nothing good ever came from BASSA?
You keep going on about VCC whilst having little clue about them.
Obviously, the 500 VCC who are pilots will remain pilots.
Also, rather obviously, the great majority of the other VCC, like office workers, ramp staff and and engineers, would take a big drop in pay if they joined Mixed Fleet. In any case, they already have their own jobs and careers. So, they will also remain in their current jobs.
You just don't seem to realise that people have volunteered in a variety of ways to keep BA flying. It's no good pointing out those passenger service agents who have become VCC and want to join MF. There will always be exceptions, but the vast majority of VCC no more want to be permanent cabin crew than WDC rebookers want to become call centre agents.
What I do think is great is that due to action taken by people with your point of view, BA now has this growing army of volunteers to help keep most flights operating. Who says that nothing good ever came from BASSA?
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Please note that no provision has been put in place for this extra duty and therefore you should not be carrying it out. If we do this it will become normal working practice and you will then become obliged to do it and then what next - pick up all the litter?
Please politely refuse if you are asked to do this at the end of your flight.
Please politely refuse if you are asked to do this at the end of your flight.
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Originally Posted by Bassa
It has been brought to our attention that crew are being asked to close all the window blinds at the end of each flight. This has not been agreed with BASSA and no safe working practice has been trialled. The normal practice when anything new is introduced is that the Health, Safety and Welfare committee would carry out a risk assessment to confirm that everything is safe.
Please note that no provision has been put in place for this extra duty and therefore you should not be carrying it out.
Please note that no provision has been put in place for this extra duty and therefore you should not be carrying it out.
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Duggie
Bassa is now being led by people who no longer work for the company and have nothing to lose by continuing to support and promote further industrial action.
Time is definately on their side.
Bassa is now being led by people who no longer work for the company and have nothing to lose by continuing to support and promote further industrial action.
Time is definately on their side.
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Insanity
BASSA's mentality defies belief.
The reason we have been asking for the window blinds to be closed is to keep the sun's heat out of the cabin. One of the first things the cabin crew moan about when they get onboard is how hot the cabin can get. Yes we could run the APU all day with massive fuel costs or pay rent on the fixed pre-conditioned air OR we could just shut the blinds.
The pilots usually consider their colleagues by closing all the flight deck blinds and even constructing sun shades out of charts etc. This so the new crew have a nicer working environment when they get onboard. Why don't the cabin crew - don't you like your colleagues?
More to the point, this is a typical example of why BASSA has to go. It is straight out of the 1970s when the unions tried to control the way the company is run. Well cabin crew, you are paid to turn uip and do what the company requires you to do unless it controvenes H&S laws or a particular agreement. You are lucky that you conditions are not the same as Easyjet where they do pick up the litter !!!!!
The reason we have been asking for the window blinds to be closed is to keep the sun's heat out of the cabin. One of the first things the cabin crew moan about when they get onboard is how hot the cabin can get. Yes we could run the APU all day with massive fuel costs or pay rent on the fixed pre-conditioned air OR we could just shut the blinds.
The pilots usually consider their colleagues by closing all the flight deck blinds and even constructing sun shades out of charts etc. This so the new crew have a nicer working environment when they get onboard. Why don't the cabin crew - don't you like your colleagues?
More to the point, this is a typical example of why BASSA has to go. It is straight out of the 1970s when the unions tried to control the way the company is run. Well cabin crew, you are paid to turn uip and do what the company requires you to do unless it controvenes H&S laws or a particular agreement. You are lucky that you conditions are not the same as Easyjet where they do pick up the litter !!!!!
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Duggie,
Thanks for not replying. I presume it didn't suit the "guerilla" tactic that your union now chooses as the modus operandi of preference in all activities. We'll sit back and await your latest hollow one-liners prognosticating doom for all.
Marty,
To a point, let them have their day on this one. Yes, the aircraft will be hot, but, when they complain, I will have great pleasure in redirecting them back to their union and seeing if they can close that particular feedback loop.
MrB
Thanks for not replying. I presume it didn't suit the "guerilla" tactic that your union now chooses as the modus operandi of preference in all activities. We'll sit back and await your latest hollow one-liners prognosticating doom for all.
Marty,
To a point, let them have their day on this one. Yes, the aircraft will be hot, but, when they complain, I will have great pleasure in redirecting them back to their union and seeing if they can close that particular feedback loop.
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Marty Party.
If it was so important to close window blinds, why wasn't it done 40 years ago?
I believe British Airways have operated 747's since the early 70's.
It is just another case of BA imposing its will on the cabin crew for the sake of it.
If it was so important to close window blinds, why wasn't it done 40 years ago?
I believe British Airways have operated 747's since the early 70's.
It is just another case of BA imposing its will on the cabin crew for the sake of it.