British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Just a final thought
It has come down to 3500 or so BASSA members who have voted to reject the BA final offer.
It would probably be the same 3500 who actually went on strike and have lost their staff travel.
The question is: Will the 65%+ of cabin crew who have NOT actually rejected the final offer wish to save the staff travel rights of the 3500.
Knowing the dynamics of the workforce, I would suggest not.
Anyway, back to being an observer................
It would probably be the same 3500 who actually went on strike and have lost their staff travel.
The question is: Will the 65%+ of cabin crew who have NOT actually rejected the final offer wish to save the staff travel rights of the 3500.
Knowing the dynamics of the workforce, I would suggest not.
Anyway, back to being an observer................
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From DF .The explanation why so many groundstaff have volunteered to be VCC, is they think that this is a bypass of the system to become full time cabin crew, rather than any loyalty to British Airways.
Most groundstaff are envious of the cabin crew and very few crew ever leave flying to work on the ground, unless it is for medical reasons.
Sorry mate your so wrong, not one of the 19 on my course wish to do this full time. Just doing it to protect ours and everybody elses job. But keep dreaming, if it helps.
Most groundstaff are envious of the cabin crew and very few crew ever leave flying to work on the ground, unless it is for medical reasons.
Sorry mate your so wrong, not one of the 19 on my course wish to do this full time. Just doing it to protect ours and everybody elses job. But keep dreaming, if it helps.
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News just come through, US has approved anti trust immunity for BA, AA and IB on the north atlantic, great news
1. Cross-border merger - Iberia deal done, completion due at end of the year
2. Transtlantic Anti-Trust Immunity with AA - Now approved by EU and DOT
3. Pensions Deficit - Plan agreed with the unions (with BASSA side-stepped by its own parent in the process)
4. Working practices - Ground staff working practices reformed on move to Terminal 5.
All that's left for WW to do before going upstairs to IAG is reining in BASSA, and BASSA have done most of that for him.
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Sounds like we do a similer job. I don't know about you, but I could always just sign it off as no defect found. No big deal. As the person who enters defects in the log would have to put his name to it, I'm sure he would be able to justify themselves to there managers.
You know managers? Their the ones who run the operation. Not BASSA.
Douggie. Grow up. This airline will continue without you quite easily.
Games up. Goodbye.
Sounds like we do a similer job. I don't know about you, but I could always just sign it off as no defect found. No big deal. As the person who enters defects in the log would have to put his name to it, I'm sure he would be able to justify themselves to there managers.
You know managers? Their the ones who run the operation. Not BASSA.
Douggie. Grow up. This airline will continue without you quite easily.
Games up. Goodbye.
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Seems to me that 90% of the airline and the majority of the British public can see whats going on and whats coming your way. Only a rather stubborn 10% have their heads in the sand.
Laugh all you like poltergiest. It wont last. Bye Bye.
Ps who are you going to fly with him on? BA? Doubt it. Another airline? Doubt it as having ex BA on your CV will almost definately mean a new career for you. Good luck for the future.
Laugh all you like poltergiest. It wont last. Bye Bye.
Ps who are you going to fly with him on? BA? Doubt it. Another airline? Doubt it as having ex BA on your CV will almost definately mean a new career for you. Good luck for the future.
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Originally Posted by Duggie Fashion
MC. Do you honestly think that you will stay on your existing T&C's for the rest of your career without a union to enforce and protect your agreements?
Just take a look at what happened at Aer Lingus to the cabin crew.....and the pilots
Just take a look at what happened at Aer Lingus to the cabin crew.....and the pilots
I'm not sure Aer Lingus is a good example for you to be quoting though. As I recall the cabin crew represented by the IMPACT trade union after a vote, became the only one of five employee groups to reject the a cost-cutting package, that Aer Lingus said could prevent layoffs at the carrier and stop the depletion of its cash reserves. Aer Lingus imposed compulsory redundancies with the minimum payout for laid-off cabin crew and cut salaries for the rest as a direct response to the lack of cooperation by IMPACT.
Aer Lingus management actually stated 'A negotiated settlement with the union could have prevented this kind of strife'
I'm not sure these are the similarities with our BA dispute you seem so keen to highlight!!
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If there is a strike BA WILL fly 100% of the Longhaul programme i believe. Last time the 767 fleet was more or less stood down to free cabin crew up to work on other fleets. Yesterday a 767 fam flight FULL of groundstaff went from LHR-CWL-LHR. The vols came from all walks of life, CS/eng/waterside.
i'd much raher fly with every single one of them than the BASSA miserable/egotistical/militant lot. Quite simply the rest of BA has had enough. I belive for the company to move on and reward our shareholders/customers and evenyually employees alike, we have to get rid of the troublemakers that stil for some reason think it is a state run business.
i'd much raher fly with every single one of them than the BASSA miserable/egotistical/militant lot. Quite simply the rest of BA has had enough. I belive for the company to move on and reward our shareholders/customers and evenyually employees alike, we have to get rid of the troublemakers that stil for some reason think it is a state run business.
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I do recall seeing NWO (I think) parked outside BAMC. Still can't see NLV though. BASSA now best though. What do I know, I only work there.
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Colonel White
To quote my Oxford dictionary, a career is defined by "course through life in a profession or occupation" and a job as "paid employment". Ergo, a person may make a career out of any job they please! It does not have to be one that meets your idea of what constitutes a suitable profession.
Excellent Customer service skills are not so specialised and, in fact, BA crew have historically found it easy to make a move across to any number of customer focused companies particularly retail, hotel, sales, property, police force, etc. If they have management experience or off-line experience in say recruitment, training, etc. which have been acquired within BA, then that increases their future prospects. (Some of those crew who have lost their jobs in this recent IA dispute, have already found alternative employment within those sectors.) There are many high profile people (think talk-show host) who have done a stint as cabin crew in their early days and the UK training manager of a large motor company was once a BA hostie!
Staying with BA is actually a life-style choice based on the desire to make a career out of a job one enjoys. One of the fears that BASSA is manipulating within their membership is that the choice of whether to make this a career will be taken away. Please try not to be condescending, the tone of your post sounded so smug I felt compelled to reply
OG
They also have a very specialised skill set which, if you have no other job history, can be quite difficult to reuse in other roles. So they've painted themsleves into a corner in a job that is now wholly reliant on BA being able to continue to maintain the status quo. Note I say job rather than career.
Excellent Customer service skills are not so specialised and, in fact, BA crew have historically found it easy to make a move across to any number of customer focused companies particularly retail, hotel, sales, property, police force, etc. If they have management experience or off-line experience in say recruitment, training, etc. which have been acquired within BA, then that increases their future prospects. (Some of those crew who have lost their jobs in this recent IA dispute, have already found alternative employment within those sectors.) There are many high profile people (think talk-show host) who have done a stint as cabin crew in their early days and the UK training manager of a large motor company was once a BA hostie!
Staying with BA is actually a life-style choice based on the desire to make a career out of a job one enjoys. One of the fears that BASSA is manipulating within their membership is that the choice of whether to make this a career will be taken away. Please try not to be condescending, the tone of your post sounded so smug I felt compelled to reply
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Very true Ottergirl
Col White a minority of crew went on strike and a minority of crew voted to reject the last offer. That leaves a majority of crew that do not support the BASSA view. When all of this is said and done we are going to have to pull together as one company again, I believe that will take a huge effort from all of us together.
If you have worked 40 jobs in 20 years does that make more of a career than one job for the same amount of time?
Col White a minority of crew went on strike and a minority of crew voted to reject the last offer. That leaves a majority of crew that do not support the BASSA view. When all of this is said and done we are going to have to pull together as one company again, I believe that will take a huge effort from all of us together.
If you have worked 40 jobs in 20 years does that make more of a career than one job for the same amount of time?
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Col White a minority of crew went on strike and a minority of crew voted to reject the last offer. That leaves a majority of crew that do not support the BASSA view.
Within a democratic voting system a non vote (otherwise known as an apathy vote) where the ballot is not returned is considered a vote in favour of the balloted item.
Perhaps if the apathetic part of the Cabin Crew Community could agree that if they truly are against the destructive actions of BASSA then they need to portray that by returning a strong NO vote thus nipping this idiocy in the bud.
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too true, I hope the silent majority don't waste the opportunity to be heard if there is a new ballot for IA. Faced with the result they have I think that DH and co will be looking for a way to settle rather than face the humiliation that will come if another strike were to go ahead.
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Duggie, Duncan and strikers
Another post on the public forum stating that they wish for you to call a strike on the dates that they fly in order to enjoy a service by crew that 'actually want to be there'.
Coupled with the statements of crew flying during the strikes stating that they actually enjoyed working with like minded staff other than the 'moaning militants', I think this speaks volumes as to where this must conclude.
Coupled with the statements of crew flying during the strikes stating that they actually enjoyed working with like minded staff other than the 'moaning militants', I think this speaks volumes as to where this must conclude.
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Quite simply the rest of BA has had enough. I belive for the company to move on and reward our shareholders/customers and evenyually employees alike, we have to get rid of the troublemakers that stil for some reason think it is a state run business.
Yes. we've all had enough. Time to move on without them, it would make for a far happier work place, better for our customers too, who, after all, keep us in our jobs.
I think they will simply be sidelined, to the point where if they did go on strike, it will be ineffective.
Well done BASSA. If only you acted with maturity, this could have turned out so different. Just what have you achieved?
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Hi Everyone...
I have been a long time reader of PPRune, but only registered today to post.
I am Main Crew at LHR and left BASSA when they announced the 12 days of strike at Christmas last year, thinking to myself... "they have lost the plot..."
I came to work all days that I was rostered to during all strike days and am proud to have done so.
I, as an adult, am very able to make my own decisions and although some things that BA have said I still have doubts over, I believe a heck of a lot more that they say than BASSA/Unite.
I thoroughly enjoyed working the days during the strikes, as already commented, I was one of those who enjoyed to no end working with like minded crew who actually wanted to be there, instead of being cornered in the galley and talked at by someone who felt it necessary to lecture me on how lucky I am to be working for BA and have all the things I have, all thanks to BASSA and I owe them everything.
It is difficult at work. I have been "blanked" more times than I remember now, and as much as people tell me that those people were not really friends to begin with, it still hurts. Even more so when I recall conversations with some of these people about how they do not want to strike and that they are undecided about what their take on the situation is.
Thank you to everyone on here who supports people who have made their own decision and choice.
Very Best,
TS
I have been a long time reader of PPRune, but only registered today to post.
I am Main Crew at LHR and left BASSA when they announced the 12 days of strike at Christmas last year, thinking to myself... "they have lost the plot..."
I came to work all days that I was rostered to during all strike days and am proud to have done so.
I, as an adult, am very able to make my own decisions and although some things that BA have said I still have doubts over, I believe a heck of a lot more that they say than BASSA/Unite.
I thoroughly enjoyed working the days during the strikes, as already commented, I was one of those who enjoyed to no end working with like minded crew who actually wanted to be there, instead of being cornered in the galley and talked at by someone who felt it necessary to lecture me on how lucky I am to be working for BA and have all the things I have, all thanks to BASSA and I owe them everything.
It is difficult at work. I have been "blanked" more times than I remember now, and as much as people tell me that those people were not really friends to begin with, it still hurts. Even more so when I recall conversations with some of these people about how they do not want to strike and that they are undecided about what their take on the situation is.
Thank you to everyone on here who supports people who have made their own decision and choice.
Very Best,
TS