British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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Flying Nunn, this was in answer to MRC1972 questioned the ability of charter Cabin crew and only that. He / she appears to ask how good they are, I fly with charter crews to TFS a lot and they are very good.
As to CC collecting rubbish ( newspapers, etc ) sorry, BA crew don't.
We pay OCS at LHR to do this, most of their time on turnarounds on shorthaul flights on which they get 15mins and 90mins on longhaul to clean and dress the outbound aircraft is collecting rubbish of this sort.
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As to CC collecting rubbish ( newspapers, etc ) sorry, BA crew don't.
We pay OCS at LHR to do this, most of their time on turnarounds on shorthaul flights on which they get 15mins and 90mins on longhaul to clean and dress the outbound aircraft is collecting rubbish of this sort.
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We could do it beesflyer, but it is cheaper for BA to pay cleaners on the ground to do it. You seem to be forgetting that BA offers a full service product, not a charter one. I can assure you that BA crew are very busy on board now that we have new crewing levels. Let me repeat that BA crew begin collecting rubbish right after the first bar round and then through out the flight.
So who would you travel if you had a choice between Thomas Cook and BA on the same day on the same route at the same time?
So who would you travel if you had a choice between Thomas Cook and BA on the same day on the same route at the same time?
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of course if you could find an empty stowage on a BA aircraft to stow some extra bins then you would be a hero to the crew in an instant. Perhaps Thomas Cook have space on board for more bins because they offer less product.
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Flying Nunn. Thomas cook crews are just as busy as BA crews on shorthaul and still find time to collect rubbish of all description.
As to who would I fly with. BA for brand, Thomas Cook for costs because there is no difference in service on shorthaul. I guess more people these days are choosing costs thats we are bleeding passengers currently, not helped with this industrial action.
As to who would I fly with. BA for brand, Thomas Cook for costs because there is no difference in service on shorthaul. I guess more people these days are choosing costs thats we are bleeding passengers currently, not helped with this industrial action.
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going back and editing your post is not very sportsman like!
The situation we find ourselves in is not about who collects rubbish on board.
Please answer the question, if you had a choice on the same route on the same day at the same time, who would you choose to fly with?
going back and editing your post is not very sportsman like!
The situation we find ourselves in is not about who collects rubbish on board.
Please answer the question, if you had a choice on the same route on the same day at the same time, who would you choose to fly with?
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thanks for your answer. are you a BA employee?
If Thomas Cook is cheaper then you mustn't be using staff travel. Have you ever seen the price comparison tool on ba.com? More often than not after all of the extras that you pay with charters and low cost carriers BA comes out on top.
If Thomas Cook is cheaper then you mustn't be using staff travel. Have you ever seen the price comparison tool on ba.com? More often than not after all of the extras that you pay with charters and low cost carriers BA comes out on top.
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Ava Hannah - I'm not sure but I think I might know who you are - you sound like a purser I worked with on a HRE trip a few years ago - she had received very little support from BA after her young boy had passed away - we talked about it during 2nd break - they were more interested in when she would be returning to work than her well being.
Please don't take it out on current management - they have nothing to do with it - please PM if it's you.
Please don't take it out on current management - they have nothing to do with it - please PM if it's you.
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TFN, last post on this.
Please read my first post on this topic. I was flying LGW -TFS - LGW. BA do not fly to Tenerife, and yes I am BA staff.
To me, on this type of route it's about the quality of service and costs ( the reply to the original poster my reply was about quality of crew/ service, which he / she questioned ). Thomas Cook crew are as good as some BA crew, fact !! By no means all. this is getting a tad personal so as before, this is my last post on this subject.
Take care,
EB
Please read my first post on this topic. I was flying LGW -TFS - LGW. BA do not fly to Tenerife, and yes I am BA staff.
To me, on this type of route it's about the quality of service and costs ( the reply to the original poster my reply was about quality of crew/ service, which he / she questioned ). Thomas Cook crew are as good as some BA crew, fact !! By no means all. this is getting a tad personal so as before, this is my last post on this subject.
Take care,
EB
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Ava Hannah, said:
"BA were unreasonable and would not participate in serious negotiation"
and
"We have created BA!"
The first is such a load of complete rubbish I cannot for a minute understand the mentality of such an idiotic statement.
The second statement shows such blinding ignorance and arrogance - and typifies the 'mentality' that WW is having to contend with.
"BA were unreasonable and would not participate in serious negotiation"
and
"We have created BA!"
The first is such a load of complete rubbish I cannot for a minute understand the mentality of such an idiotic statement.
The second statement shows such blinding ignorance and arrogance - and typifies the 'mentality' that WW is having to contend with.
For us moderates we have to steer to the path of non-conflict, get on with our jobs and let BA management continue with their plans for moving the company forward. I do sympathise with what the atmosphere is like on worldwide especially if the CSD is a striker.
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Ava. You need help. Using your desperately sad story about your son to prove what? Get some counselling.
Thinking your company should provide you that support was a mistake. Most people turn to their friends and family for support, not their company. If I was off for an extended period, I'd expect my manager to ask when I'd be back! ALL companies work this way!
Thinking your company should provide you that support was a mistake. Most people turn to their friends and family for support, not their company. If I was off for an extended period, I'd expect my manager to ask when I'd be back! ALL companies work this way!
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do you think that you might have been able to put your point across in a slightly more sensitive manner. People do have lives outside of BA and from time to time life's events can sometimes be overwhelming. I have heard some amazing tales of support from BA and some not so amazing like this one.
Ava sometimes we think we have overcome the things that have happened to us only to discover years later that we haven't. Please don't mix the situation we are in now with the one that happened to you, they are separate. If you want to talk about it why not speak to your GP, family, etc. I bet your work colleagues would listen no matter what side of the fence they are on about the present dispute. If you are down route you can call on crewcare, help direct etc. I'm really so very sorry that you were treated badly when you lost your little one, you owe it to yourself and to his memory to rebuild your life. best wishes to you and your family.
do you think that you might have been able to put your point across in a slightly more sensitive manner. People do have lives outside of BA and from time to time life's events can sometimes be overwhelming. I have heard some amazing tales of support from BA and some not so amazing like this one.
Ava sometimes we think we have overcome the things that have happened to us only to discover years later that we haven't. Please don't mix the situation we are in now with the one that happened to you, they are separate. If you want to talk about it why not speak to your GP, family, etc. I bet your work colleagues would listen no matter what side of the fence they are on about the present dispute. If you are down route you can call on crewcare, help direct etc. I'm really so very sorry that you were treated badly when you lost your little one, you owe it to yourself and to his memory to rebuild your life. best wishes to you and your family.
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Thinking your company should provide you that support was a mistake.
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Fair comment Wiggy, there has to come a time when people decide that staying in the company is either for or not for them. For those that choose to stay there will have to be an acceptance of the changes. This might be more difficult for some than others. Those of us that have seen through the BASSA spin could easily become bitter and resentful towards those that took IA and denied us the chance of a better deal. As much as I am angry at BASSA for behaving the way it has I am going to play my part in moving things forward, if that means I have to forgive the error of some of my colleagues ways then that's what I will do. I would hate to end up as bitter as some of the people that post on the other two forums. Two wrongs don't make a right as my mother always told me!
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Spot on, and the most unfathomable thing for me is that Ava and her ilk haven't even paused, taken stock and realised that striking has ALREADY made their situation worse.
1. Their beloved BASSA have forced BA to introduce MF (where sensible negotiation and sensible cost-saving "gives" would have given BA little incentive and no valid reason to do so)
2. Strikers have lost staff travel and are having to set up and fund their own "Crewdefence" because UNITE won't help (knowing it's a lost cause). More money down the pan for strikers.
3. Strikers have lost anything up to a month's pay and allowances
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4. BA now have a huge workforce of VCC (from all parts of the airline) and temps with which to undermine any subsequent strikes.
And before the strikes?
1. NF/MF off the table
2. Everyone had ST
3. Strikers hadn't had to lose pay & allowances
3. No temps / VCC's.
Congratulations BASSA, you gave WW everything he could have hoped for and more.
It's gonna be a long, cold and expensive wait to get those wish-list points (ST, disciplinaries etc) back.
But please, disagree with me and tell me what positives BASSA have achieved. Also, for the record, the strikes were NEVER about NF/MF (they couldn't be legally) so don't start the "now look what's happened, bloody scabs" argument. It's fundamentally flawed. NF/MF is a direct consequence of you striking!
Ava, it's only a matter of time until you cannot afford to commute, so you will either have to resign from BA or significantly reduce your standard of living. Either way, you will suffer. Striking will make your situation worse, not better. If Unite had accepted the Way Forward Agreement you would have got your staff travel back for commuting.
Blaming Willie Walsh is just a cop-out, both you and Unite are responsible for your situation.
Blaming Willie Walsh is just a cop-out, both you and Unite are responsible for your situation.
1. Their beloved BASSA have forced BA to introduce MF (where sensible negotiation and sensible cost-saving "gives" would have given BA little incentive and no valid reason to do so)
2. Strikers have lost staff travel and are having to set up and fund their own "Crewdefence" because UNITE won't help (knowing it's a lost cause). More money down the pan for strikers.
3. Strikers have lost anything up to a month's pay and allowances
and
4. BA now have a huge workforce of VCC (from all parts of the airline) and temps with which to undermine any subsequent strikes.
And before the strikes?
1. NF/MF off the table
2. Everyone had ST
3. Strikers hadn't had to lose pay & allowances
3. No temps / VCC's.
Congratulations BASSA, you gave WW everything he could have hoped for and more.
It's gonna be a long, cold and expensive wait to get those wish-list points (ST, disciplinaries etc) back.
But please, disagree with me and tell me what positives BASSA have achieved. Also, for the record, the strikes were NEVER about NF/MF (they couldn't be legally) so don't start the "now look what's happened, bloody scabs" argument. It's fundamentally flawed. NF/MF is a direct consequence of you striking!
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Now being reported that Unite is to suspend the next ballot to allow a vote on current deal.
BA Cabin Crew Industrial Action: Unite Leader Tony Woodley Says Strike Ballot 'Will Be Postponed' | Business | Sky News
BA Cabin Crew Industrial Action: Unite Leader Tony Woodley Says Strike Ballot 'Will Be Postponed' | Business | Sky News
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I think you could AND should at least expect your employer to be reasonable and give you some time and respect when you are going through a family crisis. Not phone two days later and ask when you "anticipate" to be coming back to work. I never asked BA to act as a shoulder to cry on. That's not the support I needed. The support I needed was work wise and all they did was to make me feel like a burden, say that I would go down as a "no show" plus everything else they said and did. It was an enough struggle as it was, which BA could have at least tried to make it a bit easier. I'm sorry if that's too much to ask for! I don't trust for a second that we are dealing with a caring management. Not the way they have acted during the course of this dispute including telling tales to the media and all of their other little tricks.
If removing a company benefit for taking industrial action is not punishment, what is it? A favour? I can never accept a proposal which does not include full reinstatement of staff travel neither a proposal which includes it but with zero seniority.
Indeed we have created BA. The people at Waterside might "manage" the company but they never meet and spend as much time with the customers as we do. We have to accustom to and deal with every change they do. A new management takes over and destroys everything which we have achieved. They are not here for life. They are here for a few years before they move onto something else. What exactly have Willie Walsh achieved during his time as a CEO in BA? He has cost the company a lot of money and bad publicity. It's beyond me that this man still has the support of the board and the shareholders. Hopefully it will change.
If removing a company benefit for taking industrial action is not punishment, what is it? A favour? I can never accept a proposal which does not include full reinstatement of staff travel neither a proposal which includes it but with zero seniority.
Indeed we have created BA. The people at Waterside might "manage" the company but they never meet and spend as much time with the customers as we do. We have to accustom to and deal with every change they do. A new management takes over and destroys everything which we have achieved. They are not here for life. They are here for a few years before they move onto something else. What exactly have Willie Walsh achieved during his time as a CEO in BA? He has cost the company a lot of money and bad publicity. It's beyond me that this man still has the support of the board and the shareholders. Hopefully it will change.
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Apologies for my insensitivity. I see someone who projects their sense of being the 'victim' who, with a bit of professional help, can move towards a more positive life. The stress of the strike can't have helped and I'm sure there are hundreds just like her, who through the irresponsible behaviour of her senior reps, are left with such an overwhelming sense of helplesness. Blame or more accurately, 'projection' is a natural human response.
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