British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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I watched an episode of supernanny last night and was reminded of this situation. Lax parents allow kids to get away with murder for years until they're completely out of control. New broom brought in to bring situation under control. Kids throw temper tantrums because they lack the maturity to deal with the new situation and end up on naughty step. Still refusing to change they are still on the naughty step being ignored by the parents.
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Why have you signed the deal Ottergirl? I thought it was terrible. Only 1100 went for it, not surprising really. What will you do if BASSA get a better deal?
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The idea that new fleet recruits would fly with existing cabin crew is totally ludicrous and was NEVER going to happen.
The temps are currently flying mixed in with both WW and EF, on 3 aircraft types, on completely different pay, agreements and allowances.
Never say never.
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Numbers from our CEO
13,420- the number of cabin crew employed
11,691- the crew balloted by unite (Both BASSA and Amicus)
7,482- the cabin crew who voted to strike
4,923- the number of cabin crew who went on strike and lost staff travel (About 40%)
667- the number of crew who went on strike AND worked (I've done my bit!
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3419 - union crew voted no to reject the offer (1505 less than voted to strike, less than 30% of total crew)
1686 -union crew voted to accept
1100 - the number of non-union crew who accepted the offer
11,691- the crew balloted by unite (Both BASSA and Amicus)
7,482- the cabin crew who voted to strike
4,923- the number of cabin crew who went on strike and lost staff travel (About 40%)
667- the number of crew who went on strike AND worked (I've done my bit!
)3419 - union crew voted no to reject the offer (1505 less than voted to strike, less than 30% of total crew)
1686 -union crew voted to accept
1100 - the number of non-union crew who accepted the offer
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Ottergirl,
3,419 voted to reject the offer.
2,786 want to accept the offer (union and non-union).
What are the remaining 7,215 cabin crew doing? Have they just given up? Are they emotionally exhausted in a dark room somewhere? Or, as I suspect, are they the part-time hobby jobbers who really couldn't give a stuff about anything - as long as they get birthdays, Christmas and Wimbledon off?
3,419 voted to reject the offer.
2,786 want to accept the offer (union and non-union).
What are the remaining 7,215 cabin crew doing? Have they just given up? Are they emotionally exhausted in a dark room somewhere? Or, as I suspect, are they the part-time hobby jobbers who really couldn't give a stuff about anything - as long as they get birthdays, Christmas and Wimbledon off?
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They really want BASSA to sit down with the company, act in an adult way and reach a negotiated agreement.
But how it does that when some of its leadership have been dismissed (their never going to agree to anything except reinstatement ) and 4000+ of its members cannot utilize the perk for which most of them joined makes it a tricky road ahead.
But how it does that when some of its leadership have been dismissed (their never going to agree to anything except reinstatement ) and 4000+ of its members cannot utilize the perk for which most of them joined makes it a tricky road ahead.
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I agree that it is infuriating that a large number of crew still remain members of BASSA, but your insinuation that the majority of crew are "part-time hobby jobbers who couldn't give a stuff about anything" is both insulting and wrong.
This may all seem like a breeze to you looking from the outside in. For those of us on the inside, it is anything but. Here's just a taster of what we're up against taken from another Crew Forum on a thread about the PCCC:
So you see Hot Wings, they are not "hobby jobbers". They are genuine, hard working crew who simply want to come to work and do their job but are actually scared. Scared of having their cars vandalised, scared of being isolated onboard or downroute, scared of having hate mail in their mail drops, scared of being outed on the BASSA forum, scared of being laughed at in the CRC coffee shop by a group of strikers. So they choose not to speak out or do anything out of the ordinary. They have put their head in the sands; they are probably too scared to even leave the union for fear of reprisals, so they came to work, didn't vote, and remain a member so as not to draw attention to themselves.
Is it really that difficult to understand why?
I agree that it is infuriating that a large number of crew still remain members of BASSA, but your insinuation that the majority of crew are "part-time hobby jobbers who couldn't give a stuff about anything" is both insulting and wrong.
This may all seem like a breeze to you looking from the outside in. For those of us on the inside, it is anything but. Here's just a taster of what we're up against taken from another Crew Forum on a thread about the PCCC:
Nope, I don't think they are.I think they are concerned about their safety.
When you think about the amount of bullying and harassment that has been going on (including the set-up of that fake porn site in their name...), I can't say I blame them.
Originally posted by XXXX
You've got to be joking right? I have never read anything so ridiculous in all my life. Do you honestly think they're in any danger? I don't.
Sadly YYYY it's people like you who keep up this idea of menacing behaviour when really all it is is disagreements and a difference in opinion. I have yet to hear of ANY brawling and would put good money on it it will NEVER happen. People are far more dignified than you give them credit for and if you think an alleged link to a porn site constitutes bullying harrassment then more fool you. ANYONE can buy a website domain and if it happens to be similar to another there's nothing illegal about it.
PCCC is a faceless oraganisation, I know more about the Masons and they're a secret society, so let's just cut all the crap and stop this stupid nonsense that people may be in danger. They're not.
Originally posted by YYYY
Sure I think they are in danger if they were to reveal their identities. Look at this forum if you have an opininion that differens from the majority.Not to mention the BASSA forum and not to forget onboard. Call it ridicilous if you want. I don't. Don't forget that a website was created in their name and that the owner of the website WAS NOT removed...
Originally posted by XXXX
Honestly you take the biscuit. You seriously think these people are in danger and are you suggesting people on this forum are in danger if their opinion differs from that of others? THAT is ridiculous. They are NOT in any danger and I take great offence at your suggestion. I am one of the most vocal supporters of my union and I would NEVER inflict harm on anyone who chose to support PCCC or front it.
Your attitude and suggestions are precisely what we can do without YYYY, you're trying to whip up rancor to satisfy those who would love to believe that this sort of thing really goes on. Well it doesn't. We are NOT thugs and we are not violent, we are crew who happen to disagree and the sooner you get your head round that the better.
The reason I asked if you were involved in PCCC or a member is because you seem to be stirring up a lot of interest on the subject with unfounded comments and suggestions about their safety. It's unnecessary and speculative, nothing has happened nor likely to happen to substantiate your suggestion. It's ridiculous and just as ridiculous as the suggestion someone in the PCCC had their car vandalised. We don't even know who they are let alone what cars they drive.
Try reading something other than the Daily Mail YYYY, you might see the world and your colleagues in a better way.
Originally posted by YYYY
What I meant with having a different opinion on this forum is that some will really have a go at you. Not suggesting that one is in danger for having a different opinion here.
I am not insinuating that you would inflict any harm to anyone who disagrees. But, look at the number of crew that has been suspended for various reasons. Scratching cars, notes dropped in people's files, talks of poisoning the pilot's food, threats of kidnapping children... yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm not asking you not to deny that nothing of this has happened because you probably don't believe it has. Who created this fake website if not one of our union reps (nice to see that they are using our membership fees wisely...)? Who sent out the made-up newsletter which suggested that they were in favour of MF?
You say it's ridicilous that someone in the PCCC say they had their car vandalised. Fair enough. I say it's ridicilous when BASSA say someone has been suspended for having a cup of coffee at the Arora and that some actually believe such rubbish. If BASSA said the world was flat, would you believe them? Try believing something else rather than the old BASSA mantra XXXX and you might see the world and your colleagues in a different way. If you, and BASSA included did, we wouldn't be here today.
What you meant and what you wrote are two different things. You did imply their safety was in danger if their identities were revealed, hence I've highlighted it in red. You're absolutely right YYYY, I wouldn't inflict any harm on my colleagues or anyone I disagree with on this Forum. There are people I debate with regularly and disagree with hugely, but I am still civil and professional when we work together or meet downroute. Ask ---
Cars have been vandalized in the carpark for years, it's nothing new and ridiculous to put it down to the introduction of the PCCC and the dispute. My own car had a huge scratch down it when I returned from a trip a few years ago, so it's hardly stalwart BASSA members going around vandalizing cars!
You say "it's ridiculous someone was suspended for having a coffee in the Arora and that some actually believe such rubbish". Where do you actually get your information to assert such a statement? Do you actually know the facts surrounding this particular persons suspension? You don't know as much as you think and if anyone is blindly believing propaganda, it's you. Thousands of crew can't be wrong YYYY, so I suggest you take yourself over to this thread (link below) and try telling AAAA’s Mom he deserved to be sacked by BA and see what sort of reaction you get. If there was ever a miscarriage of justice, this was it.
Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me to "believe something else rather than the old BASSA mantra" as you put it. I've listened to your 'facts' on BASSA over various threads and quite frankly, YOU know nothing about BASSA, you just enjoy bashing BASSA for the sake of it. It's a FACT crew and other employees have enjoyed a fruitful career in BA, thanks to BASSA and all the other the hardworking Reps. Without them, we would have had the terms and conditions of other carriers in the UK, and it's no coincidence we're heading that way now as the Company try and 'neutralise' our Unions.
If you're so appalled by BASSA, the Reps and everything they stand for, why exactly do you remain a member?
Good for you.
Where do I get my information from? Well, maybe from BASSA. If you can call it 'information'...
If you're so appalled by BASSA, the Reps and everything they stand for, why exactly do you remain a member?
Who ever said that I'm still a member of BASSA? It has become nothing but a personal battle for DH. It's a pity some of you can't see it.
According to the above quote (enlarged in red in case you'd forgotten what you'd written) you are a member since you question how "our" subs are allegedly being spent. Are telling fibs YYYY?
If you honestly think this is about Duncan Holley, then you're a bigger fool than I thought. This is the sort of garbage we expect to read in the Daily Mail, not from our own supposedly well informed colleagues. You say you're getting your 'information' from BASSA, then that's even more ludicrous because this is not the sort of garbage any current BASSA Rep would spew out, particularly when their jobs are on the line fighting for fellow colleagues. You clearly don't even know Duncan to write such nonsense and I'm more inclined to think you're being fed information from someone who has an axe to grind with BASSA.
Nice try YYYY, but there are people on this Forum far more knowlegeable than you who know the 'stories' from various different angles, and as much as you try and discredit our Union, there will be plenty of people here who can put you and others straight with the facts.
When you think about the amount of bullying and harassment that has been going on (including the set-up of that fake porn site in their name...), I can't say I blame them.
Originally posted by XXXX
You've got to be joking right? I have never read anything so ridiculous in all my life. Do you honestly think they're in any danger? I don't.
Sadly YYYY it's people like you who keep up this idea of menacing behaviour when really all it is is disagreements and a difference in opinion. I have yet to hear of ANY brawling and would put good money on it it will NEVER happen. People are far more dignified than you give them credit for and if you think an alleged link to a porn site constitutes bullying harrassment then more fool you. ANYONE can buy a website domain and if it happens to be similar to another there's nothing illegal about it.
PCCC is a faceless oraganisation, I know more about the Masons and they're a secret society, so let's just cut all the crap and stop this stupid nonsense that people may be in danger. They're not.
Originally posted by YYYY
Sure I think they are in danger if they were to reveal their identities. Look at this forum if you have an opininion that differens from the majority.Not to mention the BASSA forum and not to forget onboard. Call it ridicilous if you want. I don't. Don't forget that a website was created in their name and that the owner of the website WAS NOT removed...
Originally posted by XXXX
Honestly you take the biscuit. You seriously think these people are in danger and are you suggesting people on this forum are in danger if their opinion differs from that of others? THAT is ridiculous. They are NOT in any danger and I take great offence at your suggestion. I am one of the most vocal supporters of my union and I would NEVER inflict harm on anyone who chose to support PCCC or front it.
Your attitude and suggestions are precisely what we can do without YYYY, you're trying to whip up rancor to satisfy those who would love to believe that this sort of thing really goes on. Well it doesn't. We are NOT thugs and we are not violent, we are crew who happen to disagree and the sooner you get your head round that the better.
The reason I asked if you were involved in PCCC or a member is because you seem to be stirring up a lot of interest on the subject with unfounded comments and suggestions about their safety. It's unnecessary and speculative, nothing has happened nor likely to happen to substantiate your suggestion. It's ridiculous and just as ridiculous as the suggestion someone in the PCCC had their car vandalised. We don't even know who they are let alone what cars they drive.
Try reading something other than the Daily Mail YYYY, you might see the world and your colleagues in a better way.
Originally posted by YYYY
What I meant with having a different opinion on this forum is that some will really have a go at you. Not suggesting that one is in danger for having a different opinion here.
I am not insinuating that you would inflict any harm to anyone who disagrees. But, look at the number of crew that has been suspended for various reasons. Scratching cars, notes dropped in people's files, talks of poisoning the pilot's food, threats of kidnapping children... yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm not asking you not to deny that nothing of this has happened because you probably don't believe it has. Who created this fake website if not one of our union reps (nice to see that they are using our membership fees wisely...)? Who sent out the made-up newsletter which suggested that they were in favour of MF?
You say it's ridicilous that someone in the PCCC say they had their car vandalised. Fair enough. I say it's ridicilous when BASSA say someone has been suspended for having a cup of coffee at the Arora and that some actually believe such rubbish. If BASSA said the world was flat, would you believe them? Try believing something else rather than the old BASSA mantra XXXX and you might see the world and your colleagues in a different way. If you, and BASSA included did, we wouldn't be here today.
What you meant and what you wrote are two different things. You did imply their safety was in danger if their identities were revealed, hence I've highlighted it in red. You're absolutely right YYYY, I wouldn't inflict any harm on my colleagues or anyone I disagree with on this Forum. There are people I debate with regularly and disagree with hugely, but I am still civil and professional when we work together or meet downroute. Ask ---
Cars have been vandalized in the carpark for years, it's nothing new and ridiculous to put it down to the introduction of the PCCC and the dispute. My own car had a huge scratch down it when I returned from a trip a few years ago, so it's hardly stalwart BASSA members going around vandalizing cars!
You say "it's ridiculous someone was suspended for having a coffee in the Arora and that some actually believe such rubbish". Where do you actually get your information to assert such a statement? Do you actually know the facts surrounding this particular persons suspension? You don't know as much as you think and if anyone is blindly believing propaganda, it's you. Thousands of crew can't be wrong YYYY, so I suggest you take yourself over to this thread (link below) and try telling AAAA’s Mom he deserved to be sacked by BA and see what sort of reaction you get. If there was ever a miscarriage of justice, this was it.
Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me to "believe something else rather than the old BASSA mantra" as you put it. I've listened to your 'facts' on BASSA over various threads and quite frankly, YOU know nothing about BASSA, you just enjoy bashing BASSA for the sake of it. It's a FACT crew and other employees have enjoyed a fruitful career in BA, thanks to BASSA and all the other the hardworking Reps. Without them, we would have had the terms and conditions of other carriers in the UK, and it's no coincidence we're heading that way now as the Company try and 'neutralise' our Unions.
If you're so appalled by BASSA, the Reps and everything they stand for, why exactly do you remain a member?
Good for you.
Where do I get my information from? Well, maybe from BASSA. If you can call it 'information'...
If you're so appalled by BASSA, the Reps and everything they stand for, why exactly do you remain a member?
Who ever said that I'm still a member of BASSA? It has become nothing but a personal battle for DH. It's a pity some of you can't see it.
According to the above quote (enlarged in red in case you'd forgotten what you'd written) you are a member since you question how "our" subs are allegedly being spent. Are telling fibs YYYY?
If you honestly think this is about Duncan Holley, then you're a bigger fool than I thought. This is the sort of garbage we expect to read in the Daily Mail, not from our own supposedly well informed colleagues. You say you're getting your 'information' from BASSA, then that's even more ludicrous because this is not the sort of garbage any current BASSA Rep would spew out, particularly when their jobs are on the line fighting for fellow colleagues. You clearly don't even know Duncan to write such nonsense and I'm more inclined to think you're being fed information from someone who has an axe to grind with BASSA.
Nice try YYYY, but there are people on this Forum far more knowlegeable than you who know the 'stories' from various different angles, and as much as you try and discredit our Union, there will be plenty of people here who can put you and others straight with the facts.
Is it really that difficult to understand why?
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So 7,215 crew are too scared to change the cult of BASSA?
It is time for the PCCC to show some leadership and stop hiding. How do you expect scared crew to support you if you are too scared to show yourselves?
As they say in the US "sh*t or get off the pot".
It is time for the PCCC to show some leadership and stop hiding. How do you expect scared crew to support you if you are too scared to show yourselves?
As they say in the US "sh*t or get off the pot".
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So 7,215 crew are too scared to change the cult of BASSA?
Perhaps we could ask ourselves how many vociferous BASSA members there are in our midst. Would we put it in hundreds or maybe a thousand at the most.
The problem is that the small vociferous element are influencing and orchestrating the actions of a much larger number of crew. They may live in the local area, commute from the same base, mix in the same social circle or similar or just hijack the cabin crew on the day. In short, a small group are exerting peer pressure and closing ranks on anybody who does not support their goals and the rank and file crew member finds this intimidating but is not prepared to make a stand.
Indeed, there are circles of cabin crew that mix socially outside the airline and a wedge has been driven through them by the events of the last year.
The PCCC are far too intelligent to get involved in this spat, if they raise their head above the parapet then the BASSA dirty tricks department will offload the blame of this failed action squarely onto them.
It is going to be a slow process but as one of the 1100 persons who signed up to the recent offer, I know that I am with Ottergirl, what I have signed up to has now gone, the next actual offer will be slightly less attractive and at the end of this whole episode (and there will certainly be an end) then there will be a small core of crew who will sign anything to stay in BA.
I have mentioned it before and will suggest it again, it is just a question of WHEN crew members choose to board the shiny new plane as to what T&C's they secure.
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It's actually more likely to be that 7000+ cabin crew have some self respect for themselves and their colleagues and don't wish to see the job they love being destroyed by the company they once loved to work for. As for the PCCC, do we have any idea of their numerical strength? 100? 200? They are currently desperately trying to recruit more members but even those of you who are not cabin crew but choose to vent your spleen at their union are unlikely in these times to want to abandon the only protection you have. How many pilots are not in BALPA for example? The PCCC haven't put forward a proposal because they are not even strong enough to be recognised as a bargaining force which requires 40% of the workforce.
If you think that those that hide behind BA's coat tails in the hope of advancement constitute a majority of anything other than their own inflated self importance then you are mistaken.
On their forum they all seem to have a personal relationship with Will or Bill or some manager or other. Their jobs are on the line too and some of them have started to wake up to the fact now they have seen their other non-unionised colleagues being given Hobson's choice of a 70% pay cut or losing their jobs and the routes that they rely on to make up their wages under threat of being given as the first ones to the New Fleet. I hope that number increases.
OK. That's me finished. Come on you lot. Ready, Aim, Fire
If you think that those that hide behind BA's coat tails in the hope of advancement constitute a majority of anything other than their own inflated self importance then you are mistaken.
On their forum they all seem to have a personal relationship with Will or Bill or some manager or other. Their jobs are on the line too and some of them have started to wake up to the fact now they have seen their other non-unionised colleagues being given Hobson's choice of a 70% pay cut or losing their jobs and the routes that they rely on to make up their wages under threat of being given as the first ones to the New Fleet. I hope that number increases.
OK. That's me finished. Come on you lot. Ready, Aim, Fire
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I follow this thread frequently. I consider myself dedicated and professional, Yet I cannot comprehend how any of my colleagues, if you are genuine crew can possibly see any positives in the way our future is panning out. Personally I have resigned myself to the fact that my career (13 Years) is over. It really breaks my heart. I feel cheated. 3 Years ago I had optimism and ambition, but now I am in a dead end job. For all you that are backing BA, When is enough enough? At what point do you move on? How little are you actually prepared to work for?
Don't get me wrong, I think BASSA have made mistakes, but I do believe they have our interests at heart. Far worse though is BA and it's present leadership, for whom we are just "collateral damage" and easily replaced- Sadly at a cost, which will take years to quantify!
P.s for others feeling let down. Just had 2 interviews, and 2 offers. There is a future outside BA.
Don't get me wrong, I think BASSA have made mistakes, but I do believe they have our interests at heart. Far worse though is BA and it's present leadership, for whom we are just "collateral damage" and easily replaced- Sadly at a cost, which will take years to quantify!
P.s for others feeling let down. Just had 2 interviews, and 2 offers. There is a future outside BA.
The Sun is reporting today that Unite is having membership problems ..... which, of course, affects cash flow.
Workers flee cash row Unite | The Sun |News
Workers flee cash row Unite | The Sun |News
HYPOCRITICAL trade union Unite is suffering a membership meltdown, it emerged last night. The number of fee-payers is down almost 20 PER CENT - from almost two million to little over 1.5million in two years. Its fighting fund has plunged from £225million to just £83million. Rivals claim the union is mounting high profile strike campaigns in a bid to recruit more workers. An insider said: "They've had a bad recession."
Unite was branded hypocritical for freezing pay for 1,000 staff - after it threatened to shut six airports over a "measly" one per cent pay offer. Memos seen by The Sun reveal it caused fury among members who say leaders Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley "imposed" the freeze without negotiation. A spokesman blamed the recession.
Meanwhile a poll found 81 per cent of private sector staff found their union rep "demotivating".
Unite was branded hypocritical for freezing pay for 1,000 staff - after it threatened to shut six airports over a "measly" one per cent pay offer. Memos seen by The Sun reveal it caused fury among members who say leaders Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley "imposed" the freeze without negotiation. A spokesman blamed the recession.
Meanwhile a poll found 81 per cent of private sector staff found their union rep "demotivating".
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The Sun!!!!!!! must be true. Quality journalism
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On their forum they all seem to have a personal relationship with Will or Bill or some manager or other. Their jobs are on the line too and some of them have started to wake up to the fact now
The only jobs on the line right now, are those of the strikers. I have a copper-bottomed contract that gives me a pay rise for the next two years, a top-up payment should I need it, and a guarantee of my existing t&c's.
The ridiculous thing is that all strikers have been banging on about reassurances about their existing t&c's yet when it's handed to them on a plate, they turn it down.
In the meantime on your forum someone has categorically stated that the PCCC are now going to the new recruits' training courses! How we howled! Proof, if ever it were needed, that on Crew Forum and BASSA forum someone makes up an absurd statement and everyone else simply bows down in amazement saying "I agree 100%!".
There's only one side that's lost out in all of this, and it certainly isn't the PCCC.
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Hi HF,
Nothing ever changes does it? Just seen some of the usual drivel spouted in other places and I'd swear we work for two different companies, the perceptions are so different. Keep plugging away, the PCCC really does seem to represent an attempt to do business in a more mature way than henceforth from BASSA. It's an unenviable and probably thankless task but from acorns etc......
Asperge,
You make the classic BASSA error in spouting rhetoric in lieu of fact. No-one who signed the contract offer from BA is headed to New Fleet or a 70% paycut and repeating it here and elsewhere a thousand times over doesn't make it a fact. I've read the letter forensically and it's as cast iron as you're ever likely to see in a corporate framework. As for those claiming that the signees have agreed to lose the redeployment agreement too, well, it makes a good rant but it isn't true. In fact, BA specifically refer to such corporate policies as being under the auspices of contractual negotiations so will only be altered globally and by that mechanism. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rumour tho' will you?
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Nothing ever changes does it? Just seen some of the usual drivel spouted in other places and I'd swear we work for two different companies, the perceptions are so different. Keep plugging away, the PCCC really does seem to represent an attempt to do business in a more mature way than henceforth from BASSA. It's an unenviable and probably thankless task but from acorns etc......
Asperge,
You make the classic BASSA error in spouting rhetoric in lieu of fact. No-one who signed the contract offer from BA is headed to New Fleet or a 70% paycut and repeating it here and elsewhere a thousand times over doesn't make it a fact. I've read the letter forensically and it's as cast iron as you're ever likely to see in a corporate framework. As for those claiming that the signees have agreed to lose the redeployment agreement too, well, it makes a good rant but it isn't true. In fact, BA specifically refer to such corporate policies as being under the auspices of contractual negotiations so will only be altered globally and by that mechanism. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good rumour tho' will you?
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Asperge,
The thing you don't seem to understand is that just because many crew did not strike it does not mean that they agree with what the company are doing.
Many crew like myself do not agree with what Willie Walsh has been doing, we do not want Mixed fleet, we do not want all this insecurity but we did NOT feel striking was the way to get what we wanted.
We wanted a union that would sit in a room with other collegues and talk to the company and BASSA had many chances to do this. Christmas was the biggest chance, Mixed fleet had been taken off the table and talks could have taken place, if the strike threat was called off!!! We were all told that the strike threat was to bring BA to the table so BASSA could negotiate for us but did they!!!! NO !! bassa went ahead with the famous 12 days of Christmas and damaged our airline and lost forever the chance to negotiate properly again. Even though the strike was cancelled due to the court ruling that was when you lost the support of many, many crew.
Now things are just getting worse and worse and many of us hold BASSA and DH accountable for this whole mess and I think you will find that Tony and Derek also feel let down by the BASSA madness.
Since then many of us have been drawn to the PCCC because it is a place you can talk to other like minded crew who did not want to strike. It is not a pro-company website, it is a bunch of people trying to make the best of bad situation brought about by BASSA, a union that has been given the opportunity to negotiate and a mandate to negotiate but has never actually negotiated, other than to try and keep CSD's out of the longhaul cabin service. A totally self seeking union that has let us all down.
The thing you don't seem to understand is that just because many crew did not strike it does not mean that they agree with what the company are doing.
Many crew like myself do not agree with what Willie Walsh has been doing, we do not want Mixed fleet, we do not want all this insecurity but we did NOT feel striking was the way to get what we wanted.
We wanted a union that would sit in a room with other collegues and talk to the company and BASSA had many chances to do this. Christmas was the biggest chance, Mixed fleet had been taken off the table and talks could have taken place, if the strike threat was called off!!! We were all told that the strike threat was to bring BA to the table so BASSA could negotiate for us but did they!!!! NO !! bassa went ahead with the famous 12 days of Christmas and damaged our airline and lost forever the chance to negotiate properly again. Even though the strike was cancelled due to the court ruling that was when you lost the support of many, many crew.
Now things are just getting worse and worse and many of us hold BASSA and DH accountable for this whole mess and I think you will find that Tony and Derek also feel let down by the BASSA madness.
Since then many of us have been drawn to the PCCC because it is a place you can talk to other like minded crew who did not want to strike. It is not a pro-company website, it is a bunch of people trying to make the best of bad situation brought about by BASSA, a union that has been given the opportunity to negotiate and a mandate to negotiate but has never actually negotiated, other than to try and keep CSD's out of the longhaul cabin service. A totally self seeking union that has let us all down.
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"It is not a pro-company website"
I don't think you meant it to come across like this, but it really saddens me to read things like this. You can be anti-WW or anti-BASSA or whatever, but to proclaim that you are not pro the company you work for is a crying shame.
I don't think you meant it to come across like this, but it really saddens me to read things like this. You can be anti-WW or anti-BASSA or whatever, but to proclaim that you are not pro the company you work for is a crying shame.