British Airways vs. BASSA (current Airline Staff Only)
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With the way HV wrote/words they used, I would be very surprised if it wasn't Duncan Holley - I am sure he will be back in another guise ...
In some ways it's a shame that DH has been banned. Although the posts were all barking mad, it was educational to see some of the thought processes that BASSAmentalists are using to justify their actions.
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According to an earlier post, BASSA was barred by TW from attending the meeting. Interesting!
I agree. I left the union some months ago and it was because they were no longer representing my interests. So what's the point in funding an organisation with your subs, if that's the case. The only way I can tell Unite that I'm unhappy with the BASSA reps and uncomfortable with DH's destructive presence is by resigning after a long membership. Why would any organisation put someone with such an obvious axe to grind in the influential position he's in? Bizarre, to say the least.
I'll be happy to rejoin one of the unions as I want proper representation during negotiations with the company. By a mass exodus of the unions, it would hopefully force them to sort things out quickly and not linger on standing for a minority of their membership.
And just in case Duncan is reading this, it's typical that you didn't address one single point I made, but just asked me about new contracts hitting my doormat. I don't put my faith in BF and WW, but they're doing a better job of looking after me than my union did. And, by the way, what would have been the point in this offer at all? The company would just have sent me the new contract now, if that was their intention. They would have had nothing to lose. The strikes failed, the new fleet is a reality, staff travel still isn't reinstated, and some of our brave reps are still jobless. And apart from that, I'm now non-unionised, so would have little comeback whatever they offered me. I'm happy at the current outcome, if I don't dwell on the enormous BASSA **** ups, and hope TW forces a resolution on those BASSA reps too busy on holiday to even get together to confirm their next strategy.
From TorC:
Remaining union members really should, IMHO, grasp the fact that it is they themselves that ARE the union, and as paying members, they have the rights to get the union to do as THEY wish. If that proves impossible, then surely they should just resign and seek an alternative means of representation?
Given the huge financial machine that unite now is, I personally feel that £s, or more precisely the loss of those £s through dwindling membership, is pretty much now the only thing that might stand a chance of getting the message through.
Remaining union members really should, IMHO, grasp the fact that it is they themselves that ARE the union, and as paying members, they have the rights to get the union to do as THEY wish. If that proves impossible, then surely they should just resign and seek an alternative means of representation?
Given the huge financial machine that unite now is, I personally feel that £s, or more precisely the loss of those £s through dwindling membership, is pretty much now the only thing that might stand a chance of getting the message through.
I'll be happy to rejoin one of the unions as I want proper representation during negotiations with the company. By a mass exodus of the unions, it would hopefully force them to sort things out quickly and not linger on standing for a minority of their membership.
And just in case Duncan is reading this, it's typical that you didn't address one single point I made, but just asked me about new contracts hitting my doormat. I don't put my faith in BF and WW, but they're doing a better job of looking after me than my union did. And, by the way, what would have been the point in this offer at all? The company would just have sent me the new contract now, if that was their intention. They would have had nothing to lose. The strikes failed, the new fleet is a reality, staff travel still isn't reinstated, and some of our brave reps are still jobless. And apart from that, I'm now non-unionised, so would have little comeback whatever they offered me. I'm happy at the current outcome, if I don't dwell on the enormous BASSA **** ups, and hope TW forces a resolution on those BASSA reps too busy on holiday to even get together to confirm their next strategy.
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Interesting article
Summer strikes and autumn dole queues - Telegraph
shame the author finishes with an old BA slogan though.
Summer strikes and autumn dole queues - Telegraph
shame the author finishes with an old BA slogan though.
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Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph
For once, British Airways' revenues are not under threat from a strike.
However, I suspect we'd be able to sue BAA for our losses?
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..Oh the irony. Boyd and his cronies tub thumping again wrt to their hard pressed BAA members. The BAA workers, under the UNITE umbrella of anachronism, are miffed at a 'pathetic' pay offer and also missing out on a £450 bonus because they failed to achieve their 'targets' by 3%.
They missed their 'targets' due in no uncertain terms to a sodding great natural event - the volcano, Oh, and industrial action by another group of workers, all of whom come under the umbrella of....wait for it......UNITE. You could not make this up.
And when you analyse the votes for a strike, just over 2260 'members' out of 6000+ balloted are about to hold the country to ransom in amongst the most difficult trading environs - ever. Is that a mandate? Brian. Meanwhile the UNITE Leadership team, continue feathering their nests, attending to their holidays now, before any disruption. Where is McCluckle, Woodley, Simpson - and mores to the point - what have they to say about Boyd's performance ovet the BA debacle. I remeber him on SKY giving assurances that Staff travel will be returned - unconditionally. Really Brian?.
They missed their 'targets' due in no uncertain terms to a sodding great natural event - the volcano, Oh, and industrial action by another group of workers, all of whom come under the umbrella of....wait for it......UNITE. You could not make this up.
And when you analyse the votes for a strike, just over 2260 'members' out of 6000+ balloted are about to hold the country to ransom in amongst the most difficult trading environs - ever. Is that a mandate? Brian. Meanwhile the UNITE Leadership team, continue feathering their nests, attending to their holidays now, before any disruption. Where is McCluckle, Woodley, Simpson - and mores to the point - what have they to say about Boyd's performance ovet the BA debacle. I remeber him on SKY giving assurances that Staff travel will be returned - unconditionally. Really Brian?.
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Does anything ever change?
Another airline Union Rep wanting to spend all his time on Union duties ..... only this was at BEA, back in 1955!
B.E.A. CHIEF GETS TOUGH - British Pathe
I wonder how his tomatoes did that year?
B.E.A. CHIEF GETS TOUGH - British Pathe
I wonder how his tomatoes did that year?
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Got a letter today acknowledging my acceptance of the offer made direct. It states that 1100 crew have accepted the offer on their own behalf; I am quite surprised by how low that is. Less than ten percent are either non-union or think the deal will get better!
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I was expecting at least double that number to have accepted. Perhaps the company, to ensure everything is belt and braces, has verified that each crew member was not a member of the union on the date the offer was made before allowing acceptance?
I don't think it strengthens BASSA's position as they are still backed into a corner, but reaching a settlement is going to be (more of) a long hard slog.
I don't think it strengthens BASSA's position as they are still backed into a corner, but reaching a settlement is going to be (more of) a long hard slog.
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Bassa aren't even in this dispute anymore - Unite have made it clear over the window blinds issue and not calling a new strike ballot thats its over....done....fin
The very very sad part of this is that no Bassa reps seems to have actually gone on strike during the strike periods - relying instead on their members to take the pain.....the reps seem to still have staff travel and not lost any money....
If I was in Bassa I'd be wanting lynchings....lynch those CSD reps that only were out for themselves.....the 33 and 50% ers
If your still in Bassas (dur!) then force your view and get a change in management....Duncan is calling a meeting at Sandown in Sept so he can call a show of hands to keep him in a job, he knows you'll be intimidated not to show your hand so its his only chance to keep taking your subs - so insist on a secret ballott....
The very very sad part of this is that no Bassa reps seems to have actually gone on strike during the strike periods - relying instead on their members to take the pain.....the reps seem to still have staff travel and not lost any money....
If I was in Bassa I'd be wanting lynchings....lynch those CSD reps that only were out for themselves.....the 33 and 50% ers
If your still in Bassas (dur!) then force your view and get a change in management....Duncan is calling a meeting at Sandown in Sept so he can call a show of hands to keep him in a job, he knows you'll be intimidated not to show your hand so its his only chance to keep taking your subs - so insist on a secret ballott....
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BAA Strike Off
Well done to all the people involved in the negotiations on coming to a settlement that suits both parties. See how easy it is when BASSA is out of the picture?
Did anyone notice the UNITE rep was Brendan Gold who used to be involved with our negotiations until DH managed to turn the membership against him along with our previous BASSA chairman.
I feel that last nights press conference could so easily have been our CEO standing their with Mr Gold successfully claiming that they had struck a fair deal for their staff that the company could also afford! Instead of the mess BASSA have created.
DH and LM have a lot to answer for!
Did anyone notice the UNITE rep was Brendan Gold who used to be involved with our negotiations until DH managed to turn the membership against him along with our previous BASSA chairman.
I feel that last nights press conference could so easily have been our CEO standing their with Mr Gold successfully claiming that they had struck a fair deal for their staff that the company could also afford! Instead of the mess BASSA have created.
DH and LM have a lot to answer for!
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The very very sad part of this is that no Bassa reps seems to have actually gone on strike during the strike periods - relying instead on their members to take the pain.....the reps seem to still have staff travel and not lost any money....
How did the reps manage to avoid striking if the company refused derostering?
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Much as I dislike BASSA, the reps DID all go on strike, many went sick for trips just before the strike then called in fit to be able to go on strike.
Otherwise some would have been on days off.
Lizanne herself was sick for SEP on her return to work course.
Otherwise some would have been on days off.
Lizanne herself was sick for SEP on her return to work course.
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plodding along,
I'm sure you are right that most probably did strike but I do know that for the first phase of strikes some union reps phoned in sick. Bill Francis told a group of us in the CRC, on day four of the first phase, that he was shocked that Union reps had encouraged crew to strike but that some of them had not striked but called in sick themselves.
I'm sure you are right that most probably did strike but I do know that for the first phase of strikes some union reps phoned in sick. Bill Francis told a group of us in the CRC, on day four of the first phase, that he was shocked that Union reps had encouraged crew to strike but that some of them had not striked but called in sick themselves.