British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I never said BA had to give in to everything BASSA wants.... I said where is the negotiation I also said what about the Green issue.. You state BA will be back on track with in one year...I thought this was an airline in crisis where is all the money comming from for this blinder ?
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You state BA will be back on track with in one year
The money is coming from the City who are very prepared to see this through.
I also said what about the Green issue..
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I just want to tell you how worried I am about coming to work after the strike.
Some of the crew that are striking are completely blaming those that have worked for this mess. They are saying hateful things on their forum about how cc scabs and pilot scabs have ruined everything and if it wasn't for them every thing would be fine and they would have won.
It is really frightening to think that I may have to do a trip with these people and I am very scared.
I know that I have done the right thing by working but it does not stop me from being frightened by these crew.
I can't sleep for worry and I know it is the same for the strikers too.
The whole thing is a horrible mess.
I really hope that Mr. Walsh does send out a reasonable offer in the post with a choise to sign or go and all of this ends.
Some of the crew that are striking are completely blaming those that have worked for this mess. They are saying hateful things on their forum about how cc scabs and pilot scabs have ruined everything and if it wasn't for them every thing would be fine and they would have won.
It is really frightening to think that I may have to do a trip with these people and I am very scared.
I know that I have done the right thing by working but it does not stop me from being frightened by these crew.
I can't sleep for worry and I know it is the same for the strikers too.
The whole thing is a horrible mess.
I really hope that Mr. Walsh does send out a reasonable offer in the post with a choise to sign or go and all of this ends.
In an ideal world, they will finish the strikes, return to work and perform in a manner that sets-out to prove that they are what they keep telling us .... normal, compassionate, everyday people, with kids, mortgages etc, and apparently the best CC in the world.
Sadly, we know from the months prior to the strikes that many of them don't actually have the capacity for this .... they will stomp around, blaming and bad-mouthing anyone and anything. They'll moan about the smallest things, cause a difficult atmosphere and do their best to upset everyone. I wouldn't mind so much if it was possible to ever have a calm, adult conversation with any of them about what they are doing. But in all the time this has been going-on that has just not happened.
I think all of us are looking to BA to sort this out before it even happens. But unfortunately, other than reiterating the B&H instructions there is very little BA can do as they can't accuse anyone of anything prior to it actually happening. What rests on our shoulders, as individuals, is to be sure to report anything that is out of order. If it happens in the briefing, go to the DOMs straight away. If it happens onboard, go to the Captain. If it happens downroute, go either to the Captain or call the DOMs.
It's tempting to just let something pass, but I've done that in the past and then realised that what was visited upon me by one individual would probably be inflicted on others because I did nothing about it.
Make sure to have contact numbers in your mobile .... your manager, the DOMs, the Safecall number.
But most of all Betty girl, come into work knowing that you are part of the vast majority, have nothing to prove and that anyone indulging in unacceptable behaviour is only digging a very deep hole for themselves.
There are many crew discussing just these issues over at mypccc.co.uk. You will not be alone.
Take care.
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I was under the impression that is exactly what he had done already ... or am I mistaken? 
... but it wasn't in the post!
I really hope that Mr. Walsh does send out a reasonable offer in the post with a choise to sign or go and all of this ends.
... but it wasn't in the post!
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Yes he has but I actually want him to send out new contracts, similar to his offer and give all crew 90 days to sign or leave.
Most crew working will sign and alot of striking crew will sign it. The hardened millitants that are so scary will hopefully not sign it and go. By the time their unfair dismissals come to court a year or so will have passed by then, I hope.
Obviously I would have rather BASSA had been reasonable and negotiated when they had the chance but that has not happened.
Now it is getting really nasty and working crew like me and pilots working as crew are having very nasty posts put on Crew Forum about us and I for one do not want to have to work with these people who are ruining our airline.
Yes he has but I actually want him to send out new contracts, similar to his offer and give all crew 90 days to sign or leave.
Most crew working will sign and alot of striking crew will sign it. The hardened millitants that are so scary will hopefully not sign it and go. By the time their unfair dismissals come to court a year or so will have passed by then, I hope.
Obviously I would have rather BASSA had been reasonable and negotiated when they had the chance but that has not happened.
Now it is getting really nasty and working crew like me and pilots working as crew are having very nasty posts put on Crew Forum about us and I for one do not want to have to work with these people who are ruining our airline.
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Leadership
I think there is plenty of leadership from the top by a certain WW. What else do you want?
Why do BASSA constantly want WW out of the way, and then 5 minutes later moan that he is not talking to them directly. How pleased were they a few days ago that some reps were allowed in on the discussions ( according to DH) but the chants are still "Willie Out".
The BA plan to combat the strike and the whole financial plan to save the airline is board driven, personnel changes will not make any difference.
The whole idea of "it will be all right if Willie goes" and "we would be winning if it wasn't for the scabs" is missing the whole point. This strike has failed because a union refused to negotiate, or even act in a reasonable manner.
Why do BASSA constantly want WW out of the way, and then 5 minutes later moan that he is not talking to them directly. How pleased were they a few days ago that some reps were allowed in on the discussions ( according to DH) but the chants are still "Willie Out".
The BA plan to combat the strike and the whole financial plan to save the airline is board driven, personnel changes will not make any difference.
The whole idea of "it will be all right if Willie goes" and "we would be winning if it wasn't for the scabs" is missing the whole point. This strike has failed because a union refused to negotiate, or even act in a reasonable manner.
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Stop the arguing over percentages! The fact is that BASSA have been unable to ground BA. 60% or 70% of flights operating shows how huge BASSA's failure is.
And as for being the world's best crew - well, a good chance of that on strike days!
And as for being the world's best crew - well, a good chance of that on strike days!
I think there is plenty of leadership from the top by a certain WW. What else do you want?
Cabin crew that are not cabin crew??!-
A threat of 3 strike in 5 years.
Mega losses even after mega cuttings (in various dept and onboard which as I said before is the reason behind the departure of a massive number of business pax in my opinion)
NO 24h helpdesk..if you lose your booking or need any assistance it has to be monday to friday 8-20) .
Enormous rewards and wages for the people at the top.
a request to work for free in July.
Charges over for price fixing.
All the infos they fed about us to the papers before the strike,claims that we were all a bit useless and would call in sick for any reason(I for once was quite upset by those reports as I have been sick twice in 6 years-3 days in all- and I have never earnt 30000!!) Have people forgotten about that?How we were portrayed,and not once the company -who you are all praising on this forum- went out defending us and giving a better explanation of our t&c- not once.
Let's not talk about openskies..a laughing matter alltogether.And if you remember management words, openskies should have been something that would have made us competitive. When? Where? -When on an AMS link,you would always be parked next to one,wondering what was going on and dispatcher was always quite embarassed to tell us the loads-
Let's not go into the T5 opening.They wanted to make such a big opening on the day,that didn't even worry about being ready or listening to employees,they just did it. And we lost a lot of passengers through that fiasco.Some people never returned.
Anyway to go back to the point..strike consequences might not be obvious today,but we all know it has had a massive impact for the future. Like everything else the management will just worry about today-and that is a very good PR move..to say how smoothly the operation is running..but as insiders we should know better.
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What do you mean by empty? The BASSA definition of completely empty planes being flown in circuits around LHR, having buzzed BFC "at full throttle"
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Aircraft full of freight being dispatched to those destinations where there are pax and freight waiting for collection?
On the Green front how many empty aircraft are being launched into the sky to play this blinder?
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Aircraft full of freight being dispatched to those destinations where there are pax and freight waiting for collection?
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strike consequences might not be obvious today,but we all know it has had a massive impact for the future
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So Holley promised 50 but only managed 45. Sounds like the Unite leadership are starting to give up on BASSA.
BASSA > Latest News
GOOD MORNING
Jun 5th, 2010 by admin
Good morning...
The final phase of our dispute commenced at midnight last night and will run until midnight, Wednesday.
It is regrettable that no solution has been found to stop this going ahead; so it is therefore absolutely vital that we strongly maintain the last part of our dispute, as this will have a significant impact on setting the tone of any future settlement.
There has been only meeting that has occurred during the current dispute and this happened last Wednesday; although that meeting was positive insofar as it was the first opportunity to meet directly with Mr. Walsh in the entirety of these discussions, a solution was still unable to be found.
After that meeting adjourned, Unite has received no further approach to meet from either ACAS or British Airways and so no subsequent discussions have therefore been possible.
There is good news as General Secretary, Tony Woodley has confirmed that our strike pay has now been increased, with the addition of a further £15 hardship payment, meaning that all members will now receive £45 for every day that pay is deducted because of taking industrial action.
Additionally, work to secure hardship loans is almost concluded and it is hoped that this will provide access to a special thousand pounds loan. Unite is in the process of finalising this through the union’s banks and there will be an easy, on line application and will be at a special interest rate. BASSA will act as the guarantor for our members who need this loan.
Today is sunny, it’s Saturday and Billy Bragg, who has released 15 chart albums over nearly 30 years, is coming along to offer his support and play some songs for us at Bedfont. This is a fantastic gesture by him and our thanks go to Louise Holley for organising that and for Billy’s good heart for agreeing to come along.
...We need a big crowd to repay that kindness, so please come along to Bedfont today, we need you!
All disputes have to end and a solution has to be reached; each person that has either taken strike action or gone into work will have helped shape what that is, for better or for worse.
Think about this, every person that breaks the strike weakens the union’s position and strengthens Mr. Walsh’s resolve, ultimately worsening any deal he is prepared to offer; the irony is that those people who ignore the call to strike get that same deal - there will not somehow, be a better one for them.
How do they expect their union to be able to somehow miraculously get a good deal and protect their jobs, when they have played no part in helping to do that - in fact the exact opposite? They have simply strengthened Mr. Walsh’s view that he does not need to reach fair agreements, he can impose and a lot of people will just roll over and accept that.
For those that won’t, thank you and see you at Bedfont...
GOOD MORNING
Jun 5th, 2010 by admin
Good morning...
The final phase of our dispute commenced at midnight last night and will run until midnight, Wednesday.
It is regrettable that no solution has been found to stop this going ahead; so it is therefore absolutely vital that we strongly maintain the last part of our dispute, as this will have a significant impact on setting the tone of any future settlement.
There has been only meeting that has occurred during the current dispute and this happened last Wednesday; although that meeting was positive insofar as it was the first opportunity to meet directly with Mr. Walsh in the entirety of these discussions, a solution was still unable to be found.
After that meeting adjourned, Unite has received no further approach to meet from either ACAS or British Airways and so no subsequent discussions have therefore been possible.
There is good news as General Secretary, Tony Woodley has confirmed that our strike pay has now been increased, with the addition of a further £15 hardship payment, meaning that all members will now receive £45 for every day that pay is deducted because of taking industrial action.
Additionally, work to secure hardship loans is almost concluded and it is hoped that this will provide access to a special thousand pounds loan. Unite is in the process of finalising this through the union’s banks and there will be an easy, on line application and will be at a special interest rate. BASSA will act as the guarantor for our members who need this loan.
Today is sunny, it’s Saturday and Billy Bragg, who has released 15 chart albums over nearly 30 years, is coming along to offer his support and play some songs for us at Bedfont. This is a fantastic gesture by him and our thanks go to Louise Holley for organising that and for Billy’s good heart for agreeing to come along.
...We need a big crowd to repay that kindness, so please come along to Bedfont today, we need you!
All disputes have to end and a solution has to be reached; each person that has either taken strike action or gone into work will have helped shape what that is, for better or for worse.
Think about this, every person that breaks the strike weakens the union’s position and strengthens Mr. Walsh’s resolve, ultimately worsening any deal he is prepared to offer; the irony is that those people who ignore the call to strike get that same deal - there will not somehow, be a better one for them.
How do they expect their union to be able to somehow miraculously get a good deal and protect their jobs, when they have played no part in helping to do that - in fact the exact opposite? They have simply strengthened Mr. Walsh’s view that he does not need to reach fair agreements, he can impose and a lot of people will just roll over and accept that.
For those that won’t, thank you and see you at Bedfont...
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So congratulations, according to your view, UNITE have permanently damaged BA, the company that pays your wages, all over the CSD doing a little bit more and no loss of earnings for any CC. I'm really not sure what point you are making except that UNITE have failed to achieve anything other than worse T&Cs for the CC and have damaged the company that they say the CC are very proud of and love working for. Well done UNITE. I guess your own logic must now demand that you cease to support the cancer that is BASSA and get back to work
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Boondocker and others, this is the offer Bill Francis sent us last year.
Dear colleague
I am writing to tell you some important news on our package of changes in IFCE.
I would urge you to take the time to read this message because it sets out the facts about the progress we are making and offers new opportunities for you.
What this means for you
Firstly, I want to be really clear about a number of things that I know are important to you.
The changes I have announced will not change your individual contractual terms and conditions and continue to offer you a package that is among the best in the industry by some way. Yes, there are sacrifices to be made. We can’t simply turn a blind eye to the crisis we face. Everyone in British Airways is being asked to play a part in securing the future of our business.
My plan will ensure we offer a premium service to our customers, deliver £127m of cost savings through the voluntary reduction of the equivalent of 1700 full time crew and offer a range of opportunities to you.
Voluntary redundancy and part time for everyone who wants it
More than 43 per cent of you have chosen to register for one of the voluntary options made possible by our reduced crew complements onboard. I have given voluntary redundancy to everyone who has registered for it – that’s more than 1,000 of you – and, by March 2011, I will offer a part time contract to all 5,594 of you who want to reduce your hours. This includes a new 33 per cent arrangement.
Transfers and promotions
I know that more than 2,000 of you at Heathrow would like to transfer fleets or take up one of the new opportunities for temporary and permanent promotions to CSD. I will work through these requests soon as possible, subject to the demands of our flying schedule.
No cut in pay
I am not asking any of you to take a pay cut and you will not lose any of your existing allowances. While the plan does include a base pay freeze until March 2011, around 75 per cent of you will still receive two increment increases, worth between two and seven per cent for 2009 and then a further increment also worth between two and seven per cent for 2010.
What’s new
When Willie met with Unite leaders last Monday, 19 October, he agreed to accept Unite’s request for us to talk with them about this plan and to consider any alternative proposal they may have to new fleet. In a genuine attempt to reach agreement, we added to our package an offer which includes a new monthly travel payment, proposed changes to the disruption agreement and our proposed new redeployment arrangement that would protect our commitment to avoid compulsory redundancy whenever we can. You can scroll down and see the package.
Reassurance on variable pay and allowances
My plan to recruit new Heathrow cabin crew on different contracts flying on a separate fleet, means I can drop the things you told me you didn’t like such as reducing time down-route or reducing your time off.
I know some of you were concerned that a separate fleet of new crew would impact on your variable pay and allowances and you wanted some reassurances from me.
I am really pleased to be able to offer you that reassurance with a fixed monthly travel payment, which would replace the variable pay which you receive now when you are on flying duties. You would still receive your existing meal allowances.
This has been offered to Unite to consider as a suggested way forward.
Putting customers first
We must put our customers first in times of disruption - the new changes we have proposed would do this, have a minimal impact on you and you would keep the extra payments you get.
There would be no change to the definition of disruption, no change to your duty day disruption payments and you would still get home and return to your roster as soon as possible.
A way forward
The changes I am proposing hold firm to my principle of minimising the impact on you as current crew and show that I have listened to what matters to you.
I look forward to us moving forward and in the meantime thank you for your continued professionalism and service to our customers and their safety.
Regards
Bill Francis
Head of IFCE
The Package Offer made to Unite on Monday 19 October 2009, in brief
Current Cabin Crew
* No change to terms & conditions for current Cabin Crew
* Protection of current earning potential through offer of fixed monthly travel payment excluding meals, instead of current variable pay (based on last years schedule)
World Wide CSD = £9,676 pa
World Wide Purser = £9,258 pa
World Wide Main Crew = £8,085 pa
Eurofleet CSD = £2,470 pa
Eurofleet Purser = £2,470 pa
Eurofleet Main Crew = £2,266 pa
* Crew complement changes:
1 Purser off (service covered by working CSD)
Extra Crew member removed from 12 destinations (currently operates 1 over complement)
Eurofleet aligned with Gatwick complements
* Revised World Wide disruption agreement
Put the customer needs first during disruption
Management decision to apply agreement, and Trade Union advised of the use of the agreement
No change to duty day disruption payments to Crew (CSD £260, Purser £230, Main Crew £200)
Review application of disruption agreement on monthly basis with Trade Union
Minimise impact on Crew (get home ASAP and return to roster ASAP)
* Voluntary redundancy available.
1,011 colleagues accepted.
* Part-time working offered to all.
5,076 colleagues registered interest
Anticipate all will be accepted in phases between now and March 2011.
616 colleagues confirmed acceptance of new part time contract to date
518 colleagues registered for new 33% contract
* Cabin Crew transfers between LHR fleets
2,313 colleagues registered interest in transferring. Subject to grade mix, as many as possible will be accepted.
* Promotion opportunities – first since 2006.
444 World Wide Pursers registered to work up as temporary CSD.
Further permanent opportunities available in new year for approximately 120 colleagues.
New Cabin Crew
* Competitive terms and conditions for new entrants (10% above market average).
New share scheme and new travel ticket
* Additional 100% staff bookable concession for colleague and travel partners, based on company performance in 2009/10.
* Company performance share scheme – 2010 – 2013.
Redundancy
* Maintain commitment to avoid compulsory redundancy where possible
Working with the Trade Unions
* Agreement on working constructively with Trade Unions to avoid future conflict
* Agreement on Trade Union structures and facilities enabling a modern relationship.
New redeployment arrangements agreed and recommended by Trade Union National Officers (August 2009)
* Surplus colleagues given 52 weeks to find a new role
* Surplus colleagues given preferential access to job vacancies
* Pay protection run down over 52 weeks for those redeployed
*Pension protection during last 5 years before retirement for redeployees
* Voluntary buy-out of existing Personal Differentials
Pay
75% of Cabin Crew (10,255) are not at top of the incremental pay scale and will continue to receive incremental increases of;
* Between 2% - 7% in 2009 plus
* Between 2% - 7% in 2010.
Employment Policies
Negotiations have yet to be finalised on changes to employment policies.
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I am writing to tell you some important news on our package of changes in IFCE.
I would urge you to take the time to read this message because it sets out the facts about the progress we are making and offers new opportunities for you.
What this means for you
Firstly, I want to be really clear about a number of things that I know are important to you.
The changes I have announced will not change your individual contractual terms and conditions and continue to offer you a package that is among the best in the industry by some way. Yes, there are sacrifices to be made. We can’t simply turn a blind eye to the crisis we face. Everyone in British Airways is being asked to play a part in securing the future of our business.
My plan will ensure we offer a premium service to our customers, deliver £127m of cost savings through the voluntary reduction of the equivalent of 1700 full time crew and offer a range of opportunities to you.
Voluntary redundancy and part time for everyone who wants it
More than 43 per cent of you have chosen to register for one of the voluntary options made possible by our reduced crew complements onboard. I have given voluntary redundancy to everyone who has registered for it – that’s more than 1,000 of you – and, by March 2011, I will offer a part time contract to all 5,594 of you who want to reduce your hours. This includes a new 33 per cent arrangement.
Transfers and promotions
I know that more than 2,000 of you at Heathrow would like to transfer fleets or take up one of the new opportunities for temporary and permanent promotions to CSD. I will work through these requests soon as possible, subject to the demands of our flying schedule.
No cut in pay
I am not asking any of you to take a pay cut and you will not lose any of your existing allowances. While the plan does include a base pay freeze until March 2011, around 75 per cent of you will still receive two increment increases, worth between two and seven per cent for 2009 and then a further increment also worth between two and seven per cent for 2010.
What’s new
When Willie met with Unite leaders last Monday, 19 October, he agreed to accept Unite’s request for us to talk with them about this plan and to consider any alternative proposal they may have to new fleet. In a genuine attempt to reach agreement, we added to our package an offer which includes a new monthly travel payment, proposed changes to the disruption agreement and our proposed new redeployment arrangement that would protect our commitment to avoid compulsory redundancy whenever we can. You can scroll down and see the package.
Reassurance on variable pay and allowances
My plan to recruit new Heathrow cabin crew on different contracts flying on a separate fleet, means I can drop the things you told me you didn’t like such as reducing time down-route or reducing your time off.
I know some of you were concerned that a separate fleet of new crew would impact on your variable pay and allowances and you wanted some reassurances from me.
I am really pleased to be able to offer you that reassurance with a fixed monthly travel payment, which would replace the variable pay which you receive now when you are on flying duties. You would still receive your existing meal allowances.
This has been offered to Unite to consider as a suggested way forward.
Putting customers first
We must put our customers first in times of disruption - the new changes we have proposed would do this, have a minimal impact on you and you would keep the extra payments you get.
There would be no change to the definition of disruption, no change to your duty day disruption payments and you would still get home and return to your roster as soon as possible.
A way forward
The changes I am proposing hold firm to my principle of minimising the impact on you as current crew and show that I have listened to what matters to you.
I look forward to us moving forward and in the meantime thank you for your continued professionalism and service to our customers and their safety.
Regards
Bill Francis
Head of IFCE
The Package Offer made to Unite on Monday 19 October 2009, in brief
Current Cabin Crew
* No change to terms & conditions for current Cabin Crew
* Protection of current earning potential through offer of fixed monthly travel payment excluding meals, instead of current variable pay (based on last years schedule)
World Wide CSD = £9,676 pa
World Wide Purser = £9,258 pa
World Wide Main Crew = £8,085 pa
Eurofleet CSD = £2,470 pa
Eurofleet Purser = £2,470 pa
Eurofleet Main Crew = £2,266 pa
* Crew complement changes:
1 Purser off (service covered by working CSD)
Extra Crew member removed from 12 destinations (currently operates 1 over complement)
Eurofleet aligned with Gatwick complements
* Revised World Wide disruption agreement
Put the customer needs first during disruption
Management decision to apply agreement, and Trade Union advised of the use of the agreement
No change to duty day disruption payments to Crew (CSD £260, Purser £230, Main Crew £200)
Review application of disruption agreement on monthly basis with Trade Union
Minimise impact on Crew (get home ASAP and return to roster ASAP)
* Voluntary redundancy available.
1,011 colleagues accepted.
* Part-time working offered to all.
5,076 colleagues registered interest
Anticipate all will be accepted in phases between now and March 2011.
616 colleagues confirmed acceptance of new part time contract to date
518 colleagues registered for new 33% contract
* Cabin Crew transfers between LHR fleets
2,313 colleagues registered interest in transferring. Subject to grade mix, as many as possible will be accepted.
* Promotion opportunities – first since 2006.
444 World Wide Pursers registered to work up as temporary CSD.
Further permanent opportunities available in new year for approximately 120 colleagues.
New Cabin Crew
* Competitive terms and conditions for new entrants (10% above market average).
New share scheme and new travel ticket
* Additional 100% staff bookable concession for colleague and travel partners, based on company performance in 2009/10.
* Company performance share scheme – 2010 – 2013.
Redundancy
* Maintain commitment to avoid compulsory redundancy where possible
Working with the Trade Unions
* Agreement on working constructively with Trade Unions to avoid future conflict
* Agreement on Trade Union structures and facilities enabling a modern relationship.
New redeployment arrangements agreed and recommended by Trade Union National Officers (August 2009)
* Surplus colleagues given 52 weeks to find a new role
* Surplus colleagues given preferential access to job vacancies
* Pay protection run down over 52 weeks for those redeployed
*Pension protection during last 5 years before retirement for redeployees
* Voluntary buy-out of existing Personal Differentials
Pay
75% of Cabin Crew (10,255) are not at top of the incremental pay scale and will continue to receive incremental increases of;
* Between 2% - 7% in 2009 plus
* Between 2% - 7% in 2010.
Employment Policies
Negotiations have yet to be finalised on changes to employment policies.
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>>Now it is getting really nasty and working crew like me and pilots working as crew are having very nasty posts put on Crew Forum about us and I for one do not want to have to work with these people who are ruining our airline.<<
This has always been at the bottom of the problem in BA: the vast majority of pleasant and professional cabin crew with a percentage of individuals who manage to poison the relationship which should apply - and does in most other airlines. Betty is right - if they are allowed back after the strike ends - assuming there's a job to go back to - the Cabin Crew empire will again be separate from, and antagonistic to, flight operations.
This has always been at the bottom of the problem in BA: the vast majority of pleasant and professional cabin crew with a percentage of individuals who manage to poison the relationship which should apply - and does in most other airlines. Betty is right - if they are allowed back after the strike ends - assuming there's a job to go back to - the Cabin Crew empire will again be separate from, and antagonistic to, flight operations.
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People I know,have repeatedly said how they will not invest in this company until Willie Walsh is the CEO for this reason.
Please clarify - do you mean whilst instead of until in the above?
If so, could you tell us which people and how many times they have repeated this to you please. It seems like such a strange thing to say......and then to repeat it..............?
Please clarify - do you mean whilst instead of until in the above?
If so, could you tell us which people and how many times they have repeated this to you please. It seems like such a strange thing to say......and then to repeat it..............?