British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Posted by: Juan Odeboyse in post 3854
I'm not in Bassa but am on strike so what does that say to you Bridchen?
I'm not in Bassa but am on strike so what does that say to you Bridchen?
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Now you told us that you're not taking illegal strike action. So want to tell us what's the real deal Juan?
Its a UNITE strike isn't it ? Not just BASSA...
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The next ballot?
Would it not be strange if BASSA ran another ballot for strike and got an overwhelming NO vote? That would be unprecedented.
I have spoken to several people who say they are staying in the union just to vote no to the next ballot (if it happens).
Wonder what BASSA would do then? Any thoughts?
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I have spoken to several people who say they are staying in the union just to vote no to the next ballot (if it happens).
Wonder what BASSA would do then? Any thoughts?
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Wonder what BASSA would do then?
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an observation.........
lisence to fly:
I had been thinking the very same thing, it has been eerily quiet throughout the last 15 days of IA which leads me to believe that something is afoot?
Your observation could also account for BA contacting more temps from the hold pool for immediate starting dates and 11 month contracts. My friend had a call yesterday afternoon and is seriously considering this time as last time she had to decline as it was only for 6 months to cover the strike.
My partner flew with a current temp today who said she has had an email to ask if she wishes to extend her 6 month contract for another 5 months.
Is this to ensure we manage to get 100% of our schedule working if further IA is just around the corner?
I had been thinking the very same thing, it has been eerily quiet throughout the last 15 days of IA which leads me to believe that something is afoot?
Your observation could also account for BA contacting more temps from the hold pool for immediate starting dates and 11 month contracts. My friend had a call yesterday afternoon and is seriously considering this time as last time she had to decline as it was only for 6 months to cover the strike.
My partner flew with a current temp today who said she has had an email to ask if she wishes to extend her 6 month contract for another 5 months.
Is this to ensure we manage to get 100% of our schedule working if further IA is just around the corner?
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Next step in dispute
License to Fly said:
I don't think that New Fleet will have so many crew in just over five months as it's a big project to get done. For instance, I don't know if there are enough trip planners to build the current trips plus those for New Fleet.
Having said that, almost nothing will surprise me as this dispute takes another turn - as it surely will. I don't mind admitting that I have a fascination for how this dispute is developing (I'm struggling to find a more appropriate word at the moment). Who would have predicted seven months ago that Unite would call a 12-day strike over Christmas, that BA would obtain two injunctions but have one overturned by the Supreme Court and win a High court case brought by Unite?
A large part of this fascination is that, unlike 1997 and 2007, I am one of many people who are directly or indirectly playing a part in keeping BA's customers flying. There is also the no small matter of BA's long-term future at stake.
To get back to what may happen: Willie Walsh has stated that he aims to run a full long-haul service if there is another strike. From some pieces of information which have come my way (it helps to have friends in low places), I believe that this could be a realistic plan. There is no doubt that if BA should succeed in operating most or all of its LH flights in a future strike, then Unite would suffer a devastating blow. It takes no imagination to see the effect on strikers at BFC and on the picket lines whenever another 747/777/767 takes off at LHR.
BASSA would be broken, and WW would have won.
My prediction is new fleet will be running with 2000+ cabin crew operating all the top allowance routes by the end of 2010
Having said that, almost nothing will surprise me as this dispute takes another turn - as it surely will. I don't mind admitting that I have a fascination for how this dispute is developing (I'm struggling to find a more appropriate word at the moment). Who would have predicted seven months ago that Unite would call a 12-day strike over Christmas, that BA would obtain two injunctions but have one overturned by the Supreme Court and win a High court case brought by Unite?
A large part of this fascination is that, unlike 1997 and 2007, I am one of many people who are directly or indirectly playing a part in keeping BA's customers flying. There is also the no small matter of BA's long-term future at stake.
To get back to what may happen: Willie Walsh has stated that he aims to run a full long-haul service if there is another strike. From some pieces of information which have come my way (it helps to have friends in low places), I believe that this could be a realistic plan. There is no doubt that if BA should succeed in operating most or all of its LH flights in a future strike, then Unite would suffer a devastating blow. It takes no imagination to see the effect on strikers at BFC and on the picket lines whenever another 747/777/767 takes off at LHR.
BASSA would be broken, and WW would have won.
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Your observation could also account for BA contacting more temps from the hold pool for immediate starting dates and 11 month contracts. My friend had a call yesterday afternoon and is seriously considering this time as last time she had to decline as it was only for 6 months to cover the strike.
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JO quotes:
Funny that Tiramisu, I was talking to four 'virgin xxxx ers' today who were all glad they had a chance to stand up to the bully walsh.
walsh out now.
Yeh, walsh out now!! As much chance as South Africa winning the world cup ! Thanks to Tiramisu and like minded CC and VCC we all have a future. I find it interesting that UNITE are paying striking CC Ł45 PW. Is it a way of getting them used to what they will soon receive on the dole.
Funny that Tiramisu, I was talking to four 'virgin xxxx ers' today who were all glad they had a chance to stand up to the bully walsh.
walsh out now.
Yeh, walsh out now!! As much chance as South Africa winning the world cup ! Thanks to Tiramisu and like minded CC and VCC we all have a future. I find it interesting that UNITE are paying striking CC Ł45 PW. Is it a way of getting them used to what they will soon receive on the dole.
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License to Fly said:
I don't think that New Fleet will have so many crew in just over five months as it's a big project to get done.
I don't think that New Fleet will have so many crew in just over five months as it's a big project to get done.
More CC may then leave when their salary is massively reduced by :
-New Fleet starting with all the best routes going to them
-cabin crew getting used for much less flying, therefore less money
.... and thats before tough performance management makes some people feel like leaving the job rather than getting sacked ...
just my thoughts ... there is something defiantly going on and when i was at Cranebank last week there were alot of young girls walking around without airside passes
Saying that, if BASSA still want to strike, we will be soon at 100% schedule and we will not need any of the strikers
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Absolutely brilliant post beesflyer...well thought out, etc.
But WHAT type of future do we have if the bully walsh is allowed to impose at will?? As you know (I hope) most VCC are on a jolly to get away from the desk for a while - panic is steafdily setting into the Waterworld way of life as they now realise the bully walsh has met his match...and hopefully will soon be gone without leaving BA in the same state as he left Aer Lingus.
Thanks to Tiramisu and like minded CC and VCC we all have a future
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better the devil you know..
Really WWW, Juan et al,
You keep wishing for WW to be ousted, and harping on about how awful he is, but you really have NO idea what you are wishing for.
WW comes from an operational background, he KNOWS what its like to be FC, he has worked with CC, he has worked with schedulers and other operational people.. yet you want him gone..
You will get your wish, he will be gone, to head up TOPCO, and who will you get instead? A finance man. A through and through figures man, bottom line rules. No airy fairy pat on the back, lets do it to be nice.
If you think its going to get easier with Keith in and WW out, you are very very much mistaken. If i were BASSA i would seriously be trying very hard to quickly to get round the table and make a sensible deal with someone whose been in your shoes, or at least damn near them... before that option is taken away. It will indeed be an amusing day when BASSA wish WW was back in charge.
You keep wishing for WW to be ousted, and harping on about how awful he is, but you really have NO idea what you are wishing for.
WW comes from an operational background, he KNOWS what its like to be FC, he has worked with CC, he has worked with schedulers and other operational people.. yet you want him gone..
You will get your wish, he will be gone, to head up TOPCO, and who will you get instead? A finance man. A through and through figures man, bottom line rules. No airy fairy pat on the back, lets do it to be nice.
If you think its going to get easier with Keith in and WW out, you are very very much mistaken. If i were BASSA i would seriously be trying very hard to quickly to get round the table and make a sensible deal with someone whose been in your shoes, or at least damn near them... before that option is taken away. It will indeed be an amusing day when BASSA wish WW was back in charge.
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Lots of comments on that article actually.
Mods removed them all as they were not contributing to the Cabin Crew issue.
Most posts stated that IF the article is true then the Pilots involved should be disciplined as per process. Just like the current CC subject to same procedure.
No problem at all.
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Mods removed them all as they were not contributing to the Cabin Crew issue.
Most posts stated that IF the article is true then the Pilots involved should be disciplined as per process. Just like the current CC subject to same procedure.
No problem at all.
Comment enough for you?
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News from Watford Employment Tribunal
Duncan Holley's application to Watford Employment Tribunal for reinstatement was dismissed today. Holley had applied to be reinstated pending a full hearing of his unfair dismissal claim against BA claiming that the sole or principal reason for his dismissal was his trade union membership and activities. He asked the Tribunal to order the continuation of his employment pending a full hearing of his case. BA claimed that the reason for the dismissal was Holley's refusal to go to work when rostered on a number of times in December.
Judge Ryan denied the request saying he felt it was more likely than not that BA would demonstrate at trial that Mr Holley's dismissal was because of his refusal to come to work to perform his rostered duties and his refusal to attend meetings with his manager. Amongst other things he said "The claimant is simply not entitled to take into his own hands the decision whether to work or not".
Judge Ryan denied the request saying he felt it was more likely than not that BA would demonstrate at trial that Mr Holley's dismissal was because of his refusal to come to work to perform his rostered duties and his refusal to attend meetings with his manager. Amongst other things he said "The claimant is simply not entitled to take into his own hands the decision whether to work or not".
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JO, sorry but none of the many VCC I know are doing this " as a jolly " they are doing this because they want BA the company we all work for to continue and to secure their future employment.
I wasn't allowed to go for VCC but had I been able to, my reason would have been exactly the same, and not a jolly. I don't think you realise how much of ground based staff in all areas are against striking CC.
I wasn't allowed to go for VCC but had I been able to, my reason would have been exactly the same, and not a jolly. I don't think you realise how much of ground based staff in all areas are against striking CC.
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Mkat,
Thanks for the posting, it's exactly what I expected.
Does Unite still think it unfair for BA to sack people like Duncan Holley?
I eagerly wait DH's view on this matter tomorrow.
Thanks for the posting, it's exactly what I expected.
Does Unite still think it unfair for BA to sack people like Duncan Holley?
I eagerly wait DH's view on this matter tomorrow.
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Guys (and gals) I think it's about time WW and JO were just ignored.
It's a shame because I think a good honest debate with the "pro-strike" side might help some of understand things a little better.
N68 puts some views across as do others but mainly from a "I voted yes but...." point of view.
NONE of the "WW out" shouters have ever debated without ridiculous claims and one liners based on hearsay.
It's a shame because I think a good honest debate with the "pro-strike" side might help some of understand things a little better.
N68 puts some views across as do others but mainly from a "I voted yes but...." point of view.
NONE of the "WW out" shouters have ever debated without ridiculous claims and one liners based on hearsay.
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In a nutshell the tribunal judge has identified the root cause of Holley's obsession with WW. Holley thinks he should be sat at the head table with the big boys, not amongst the hoy-polloi he is supposed to represent. He is too important, in his own mind, to actually listen to the instructions of his employer.
Ironically he is now at the head table, though he is on the menu rather than on a chair!
Ironically he is now at the head table, though he is on the menu rather than on a chair!
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Why are they on strike?
Unite has repeatedly moved the goalposts and is not interested in settling the dispute. The union knows our latest offer addresses all the concerns it has raised during 15 months of negotiations and that we have compromised many times in an effort to get a resolution.
Tony Woodley himself has said that our final offer “on many points represents an improvement”.
During these talks, we have:
* offered the partial reversal of crew complements, despite a High Court ruling in our favour
* agreed to future promotions and transfers on current contracts for current crew
* given a written assurance about the allocation of routes and aircraft between fleets
* given assurances to protect the pay, terms and conditions for our current crew
* changed our position on pay to guarantee RPI rises for two years, on top of increments
* agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions
I know many of you who came to work were disappointed that we moved from a permanent staff travel ban for those who took action. But a permanent ban will happen if the union engages in further strike action.
I do not believe the union is genuine when it says it wants meaningful talks to enable these strikes to be called off, especially in view of its plans for a fresh ballot to enable more strikes later in the year.
This is a fair deal and it remains available. There are no more compromises that we can make and we cannot lose sight of the fact these changes are to ensure our future sustainability.
Tony Woodley himself has said that our final offer “on many points represents an improvement”.
During these talks, we have:
* offered the partial reversal of crew complements, despite a High Court ruling in our favour
* agreed to future promotions and transfers on current contracts for current crew
* given a written assurance about the allocation of routes and aircraft between fleets
* given assurances to protect the pay, terms and conditions for our current crew
* changed our position on pay to guarantee RPI rises for two years, on top of increments
* agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions
I know many of you who came to work were disappointed that we moved from a permanent staff travel ban for those who took action. But a permanent ban will happen if the union engages in further strike action.
I do not believe the union is genuine when it says it wants meaningful talks to enable these strikes to be called off, especially in view of its plans for a fresh ballot to enable more strikes later in the year.
This is a fair deal and it remains available. There are no more compromises that we can make and we cannot lose sight of the fact these changes are to ensure our future sustainability.