British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Anyone noticed how Juan's posts have changed over the weeks.
The debatable yet fair points have moved to what we see now - simple soundbites designed to stir and "reel a few in".
Many folk are biting - however, a bit of a reflection on the whole BASSA campaign somewhat.
From many points about crewing levels, ability to serve properly, pay now and in the future, expenses restructuring, New fleet and now it seems to be "denounce WW as the ONLY enemy" and "give us back staff travel".
Interesting parallel.
The debatable yet fair points have moved to what we see now - simple soundbites designed to stir and "reel a few in".
Many folk are biting - however, a bit of a reflection on the whole BASSA campaign somewhat.
From many points about crewing levels, ability to serve properly, pay now and in the future, expenses restructuring, New fleet and now it seems to be "denounce WW as the ONLY enemy" and "give us back staff travel".
Interesting parallel.
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If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.
You say spineless - I'd say the complete opposite.
Remember to turn the light off at BASSA HQ.
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Caribbean Boy.
You make an interesting point when you state that many VCC will not take up a full time position because they will most certainly lose salary, in some cases tens of thousands of pounds.
Considering the quotes from BA about cabin crew salaries, and then recirculated in the media, it would seem from your evidence, that highly paid cabin crew are second to even more highly paid staff throughout the airline. It is my understanding that the VCCs are not all managers and pilots.
You make an interesting point when you state that many VCC will not take up a full time position because they will most certainly lose salary, in some cases tens of thousands of pounds.
Considering the quotes from BA about cabin crew salaries, and then recirculated in the media, it would seem from your evidence, that highly paid cabin crew are second to even more highly paid staff throughout the airline. It is my understanding that the VCCs are not all managers and pilots.
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Miss M
"Because BA did not even bother to mention it to BASSA at an NSP meeting. There's your reason."
My purser said " we don't serve towels as the union won't allow it"
What about " protecting the brand" " wanting to look after our customers" and " Make BA the number one again" All BASSA sound bites over the last few months
But BASSA won't allow hot towels in WTP...so again BASSA says one thing and does another.
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"Because BA did not even bother to mention it to BASSA at an NSP meeting. There's your reason."
My purser said " we don't serve towels as the union won't allow it"
What about " protecting the brand" " wanting to look after our customers" and " Make BA the number one again" All BASSA sound bites over the last few months
But BASSA won't allow hot towels in WTP...so again BASSA says one thing and does another.
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As a shareholder I'd expect Walsh to try every approach to defeat BASSA? Why do you think he should only attack on front at a time? And thanks for clarifying that BASSA blocked the hot towels because BA didn't ask them nicely.
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Widebody69: Customers are now the victims in this crusade which is all about appeasing the non-strikers and the CEO.Crazy!!
Widebody69, don't you think that you comment is like saying that the owner of a bar and all the rest of the well behaved patrons are to blame because someone got drunk and caused a fight?
Widebody69: Customers are now the victims in this crusade which is all about appeasing the non-strikers and the CEO.Crazy!!
Widebody69, don't you think that you comment is like saying that the owner of a bar and all the rest of the well behaved patrons are to blame because someone got drunk and caused a fight?
Simply put, low cost businesses (no matter what the business) can survive solely in their low-cost segment of the market; 99% of the time premium providers cannot survive solely in the premium segment.
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Appeal
Sky says appeal has little hope, but just the thought of this strike being made illegal MUST make anyone think twice about striking
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PC767,
Any VCC becoming cabin crew would start at the bottom of the main crew grade or, more likely, the New Fleet grade. This would compare badly with what they are most likely to be earning now. Someone such as a Passenger Service Agent on an A3 grade, which is equivalent to Main Crew, would lose quite a bit if high up the incremental scale. As for VCC who work at Waterside: they are almost certainly on a grade way above A3, so they would lose even more.
What I think is going to happen is that BA will maintain this pool of VCC for future disruptions and as a constant reminder to BASSA that there will always be people who can fill in for striking crew.
Any VCC becoming cabin crew would start at the bottom of the main crew grade or, more likely, the New Fleet grade. This would compare badly with what they are most likely to be earning now. Someone such as a Passenger Service Agent on an A3 grade, which is equivalent to Main Crew, would lose quite a bit if high up the incremental scale. As for VCC who work at Waterside: they are almost certainly on a grade way above A3, so they would lose even more.
What I think is going to happen is that BA will maintain this pool of VCC for future disruptions and as a constant reminder to BASSA that there will always be people who can fill in for striking crew.
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I am a WW crew and have just returned home after spending 2 days in a hotel at LHR on 2 hour stand-by. This came about as the flight which I reported for on Monday morning was cancelled. I assumed myself and the other 7 crew who reported would be used for other trips that morning but we were told that we were not needed so sent to the hotel on 2 hour stand-by. We were not the only crew to be sent to the hotel, infact I worked out that at least 30-40 crew were on 2 hour stand-by after being taken off cancelled trips. The rumour going around was that over 100 crew were on stand-by due to the numbers reporting for duty. This did not iclude VCC. Out of the 20 or so people that I met only 3 were used for trips. It would seem that the number of crew reporting for duty is quite clearly more than required for the operation!
I went to work during the last strike and will continue to do so. It seems more and more people are making the same choice.
Safe flying to everyone!
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I went to work during the last strike and will continue to do so. It seems more and more people are making the same choice.
Safe flying to everyone!
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First post after many years of reading!
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Poor thing
Is anyone actually falling for this stuff
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Dissent in the BASSA ranks?
Posted by MissM on 26 December 2009:
I can see a drumhead court-martial being held behind the bike sheds at BFC!
I could tell you a secret that I gave out hot towels to pax in World Traveller Plus on a few flights. Mum's the word. I don't always listen to what BASSA says.
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Thanks for posting fly73. Think we appreciate it takes guts to post here, it would be like some of us posting on BASSA (god knows i'm tempted sometimes!).
Sorry you didnt work, as I understand that many working crew are losing money from cancelled trips. Not really fair. Hopefully the next schedule will reflect the numbers working.
Finished a trip today and was very surprised how many crew were happily driving into the car park. It seems some of the fear has gone.
Sorry you didnt work, as I understand that many working crew are losing money from cancelled trips. Not really fair. Hopefully the next schedule will reflect the numbers working.
Finished a trip today and was very surprised how many crew were happily driving into the car park. It seems some of the fear has gone.
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Sadly regardless of volunteers or strikers the passengers ultimately will have the last word and finally put an end to this insane, suicidal, idiotic dispute by not booking/travelling with us.
Meanwhile we can all but help the few left around that were brave enough or naive to trust our company with their travel plans by taking them safely where they wanted to go.
The union and its followers have based their strategy on bluff and by demonising their opponent, clearly their strategy is not working and one way or another we are all paying the price for such a disaster.
Meanwhile we can all but help the few left around that were brave enough or naive to trust our company with their travel plans by taking them safely where they wanted to go.
The union and its followers have based their strategy on bluff and by demonising their opponent, clearly their strategy is not working and one way or another we are all paying the price for such a disaster.
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If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.
A couple of points to note:
The VCC are hardly being used - read the reports on here. On my flight yesterday there were no VCC and no "blacklegs" - we had all resigned from the Union at Christmas.
I'll ask you the question that Litebulbs has been unable to answer:
The offer on the table now is largely the same as the previous offers this year. It is alot worse than the offer last year that included shares/bonuses/extra free ticket.
If you wanted this over "a long time ago", that offer would have been Unite's best bet.Why then are the Union and its militant members saying that they would accept this offer if staff travel was reinstated? Would you be happy if that happened as that would mean you had gone on strike (and lost a lot of money) needlessly? It would mean you had achieved nothing. Are you happy the union are asking for that on your behalf?
What do you want to see happen now? What do you hope to achieve by staying on strike?
Thanks - and sorry for all the questions, I just genuinely would like to know how someone on the other side of the fence (and who can give reasoned viewpoints) feels.
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It's my understanding that even when Tony Woodley agrees the BA offer, he has trouble selling it to BASSA. So, even if BA were to give back the travel concessions in full, BASSA will make the disciplined crew a sticking point. And even if BA were to somehow rescind all the penalties handed out to the disciplined crew, BASSA will make New Fleet and the monthly travel payment the next sticking points.
This is why Willie Walsh won't give back ST as he knows that it isn't what this dispute is about.
Why then are the Union and its militant members saying that they would accept the offer if staff travel was reinstated?
This is why Willie Walsh won't give back ST as he knows that it isn't what this dispute is about.
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It's my understanding that even when Tony Woodley agrees the BA offer, he has trouble selling it to BASSA.
I can confirm, that many points in the proposal were actually put forward & written by Tony W!!!!!
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Posted by MissM on 26 December 2009:
I could tell you a secret that I gave out hot towels to pax in World Traveller Plus on a few flights. Mum's the word. I don't always listen to what BASSA says.
I could tell you a secret that I gave out hot towels to pax in World Traveller Plus on a few flights. Mum's the word. I don't always listen to what BASSA says.
I can see a drumhead court-martial being held behind the bike sheds at BFC!
However, you have listened to them in taking strike action. What's the difference? Why not have a mind of your own as you did when giving out hot towels?
Posted my Miss M(unfortunately)
If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.
If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.
Spineless we're not, sensible, yes.
By coming to work, we are all trying to save our jobs and a company that we love. We all want it over too, so we can get back to normality as soon as possible. Believe me no one is enjoying this, not one person.
As Spanner in the Works has just said, it's shame that a reasonable poster like yourself has resorted to name calling.
PS:Chuchinchow, you beat me to it! I was about to post the 26th Dec'09 post by Miss M.
I'm BA cabin crew who's proud to cross the picket line.
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“If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.“
Those of us who took the decision to come to work – or volunteer - did so, not because we were ‘scared’, nor because of the prospect of ‘losing ST’, nor because we wish for any reward. We came to work out of sense of moral duty, of loyalty AND - a desire to thwart any damage the lunatic fringe might be ATTEMPTING to wreak on our Company. Why would – or could - anyone possibly think of that as spineless? Beats me.
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“They can't sack you for going on strike in good faith.”
No, in a couple of weeks’ time, you could indeed be offered a reprieve on that one!
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“If it hadn't been for our spineless colleagues (blacklegs) who are insisting on going into work including these VCC, this would have been over a long time ago.“
Those of us who took the decision to come to work – or volunteer - did so, not because we were ‘scared’, nor because of the prospect of ‘losing ST’, nor because we wish for any reward. We came to work out of sense of moral duty, of loyalty AND - a desire to thwart any damage the lunatic fringe might be ATTEMPTING to wreak on our Company. Why would – or could - anyone possibly think of that as spineless? Beats me.
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“They can't sack you for going on strike in good faith.”
No, in a couple of weeks’ time, you could indeed be offered a reprieve on that one!