British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
... more crew will get fed up and work rather than go on future strikes ...
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But it would still leave the poisonous element within the company, with all the continuing nonsense that entails? It is, perhaps, not a satisfying resolution .......
If the union has failed to comply, all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action.
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BA will win of course, their recent record is 100%, whereas obviously bassa aren't the sharpest tools...
The question they have to ask themselves is why did BA sit on this info and watch on the sidelines whilst bassa kept kicking the ball in their own net all these months?
I think BA just wanted to add sympathy to their already honourable and just plight, so that no-one would bat an eyelid when they take the action necessary to beat this cancer- they have successfully achieved the support of the nation and can fire at will TO PROTECT THE JOBS AND FUTURES OF THE MANY.
How great could BA once again be without this crippling kryptonite millstone around its neck?
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The question they have to ask themselves is why did BA sit on this info and watch on the sidelines whilst bassa kept kicking the ball in their own net all these months?
I think BA just wanted to add sympathy to their already honourable and just plight, so that no-one would bat an eyelid when they take the action necessary to beat this cancer- they have successfully achieved the support of the nation and can fire at will TO PROTECT THE JOBS AND FUTURES OF THE MANY.
How great could BA once again be without this crippling kryptonite millstone around its neck?
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If this gets to court on Monday and a verdict is given on Tuesday/Wednesday, as happened I believe in the 12 days of Xmas injunction, the strike will already have started.
That is one hell of a decision for striking crew to make. If BA win, which they usually do, CC who have decided to strike will not be protected by law. My guess is that only the absolute die hards will still stick two fingers up to Willie and go on strike.
Then what?
That is one hell of a decision for striking crew to make. If BA win, which they usually do, CC who have decided to strike will not be protected by law. My guess is that only the absolute die hards will still stick two fingers up to Willie and go on strike.
Then what?
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all the strike action that resulted from that ballot would be unlawful and their members would only have limited protection while taking part in strike action. The union would also be liable to BA for some of the financial losses that we have suffered as a result of the strikes.
This must be the much rumoured trump card.
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Watch Out - here comes THE LAW!
Oh, I know I shouldn't have laughed when I read about the injunction, but really, this is just soooooooooo ironic I just couldn't help myself.
All those strikers bleating on about how it's illegal to be sacked/have ST withdrawn/have pay deducted .... all so certain that THE LAW was on their side (wonder who told them that?).
And now here's BA using THE LAW to the letter. Maybe they'll now see that it's a two-way street .............. with a huge pothole on one side.
All those strikers bleating on about how it's illegal to be sacked/have ST withdrawn/have pay deducted .... all so certain that THE LAW was on their side (wonder who told them that?).
And now here's BA using THE LAW to the letter. Maybe they'll now see that it's a two-way street .............. with a huge pothole on one side.
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The injunction will, I believe, if granted also render the 3 and 4 day strikes illegal. This means that those who have already been on strike could potentially be now sacked as the action they have taken will have been illegal. Worse still is that BA could also go after the union for the costs incurred as a direct consequence of the strikes. This could potentially damage UNITE terminally, BASSA would almost certainly end up bankrupt.
BA may not go down this line but may use it to force UNITE to capitulate and then hold the option to sack and bankrupt for many years to come until the statute of limitations does its thing.
So it may not matter if you do not strike on Tuesday, you may already have gone beyond the point of no return.
BASSA must be hoping that they got the ballot right back in March or it may already be over for them - terminally.
BA may not go down this line but may use it to force UNITE to capitulate and then hold the option to sack and bankrupt for many years to come until the statute of limitations does its thing.
So it may not matter if you do not strike on Tuesday, you may already have gone beyond the point of no return.
BASSA must be hoping that they got the ballot right back in March or it may already be over for them - terminally.
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Surely Willie could have sued for an injunction on several different issues.
eg. The different reasons claimed by Bassa and crew for striking.
The original reason was "imposition" , yet now it is about staff travel, or whatever.
So, why now? And why on these grounds?
Is it because this potentially invalidates the previous strike too?
Many people have wondered why Willie didn't go nuclear earlier.
Perhaps he genuinely didn't want to inflict personal pain on crew.
It may have been to avoid the negative publicity.
Either way he has probably lost all patience with Unite, Bassa, and the strikers.
So if the injunction is granted this clearly paves the way for dismissing whichever crew he chooses, and claiming damages and costs from the union, and maybe even individual crew too. (Certainly those who have joined either of the class action groups must be feeling vulnerable).
eg. The different reasons claimed by Bassa and crew for striking.
The original reason was "imposition" , yet now it is about staff travel, or whatever.
So, why now? And why on these grounds?
Is it because this potentially invalidates the previous strike too?
Many people have wondered why Willie didn't go nuclear earlier.
Perhaps he genuinely didn't want to inflict personal pain on crew.
It may have been to avoid the negative publicity.
Either way he has probably lost all patience with Unite, Bassa, and the strikers.
So if the injunction is granted this clearly paves the way for dismissing whichever crew he chooses, and claiming damages and costs from the union, and maybe even individual crew too. (Certainly those who have joined either of the class action groups must be feeling vulnerable).
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If the injunction is granted I can't imagine strikers can be retrospectively sacked. It would seem more likely that only those diehards that go on strike after the ruling will be deemed to be on an illegal strike, and will be "taken care of"
Stop trying to bite the hand that feeds you, it might just crush you...
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Stop trying to bite the hand that feeds you, it might just crush you...
Last chance to use brains in stead of emotions
Nasty but necessary
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GO Willie - this would be the best news for BA and all our customers ....
If the result has not been made public, how can any crew take the risk on Tuesday that they are going on an illegal strike (thus probably sacked). if the Union are wrong, they will be sued for as much as BA can get, hopefully bancrupting them - this will then solve a problem for our new government when they announce big public sector cuts (and thus avoid all the strikes that Unite must already be planning
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I wonder in 'God like Clegg' and Cameron have been helping here ...
I will be sleeping all weekend with a smile and my fingers crossed
P>S all the crews i flew with today are working through the strike anyway, i have a good feeling for next week
If the result has not been made public, how can any crew take the risk on Tuesday that they are going on an illegal strike (thus probably sacked). if the Union are wrong, they will be sued for as much as BA can get, hopefully bancrupting them - this will then solve a problem for our new government when they announce big public sector cuts (and thus avoid all the strikes that Unite must already be planning
)I wonder in 'God like Clegg' and Cameron have been helping here ...
I will be sleeping all weekend with a smile and my fingers crossed
P>S all the crews i flew with today are working through the strike anyway, i have a good feeling for next week
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I wonder why half of the short-haul operation has already been cancelled if BA had this up their sleeve all along and were confident of getting a result? Could it be a chancer? It will all come down to whether the judge believes that electronic forms of communication conform to the letter of the law or whether UNITE should have written to each member individually with the breakdown of the original ballot.
Do you have any idea how long it would take to recruit and properly train up over 3000 cabin crew; these are not the same as volunteers who can do without serving hot drinks or administering drugs? Add in CRC and promotion courses and it would screw up our operation with shortages for the best part of a year.
Perhaps the company can now sack the strikers who took part in the last strikes?
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Looking back to last December ... the injunction sought by BA to declare Unite's ballot invalid was heard on 17 December at 1400. About 24 hours later, Justice Cox found in favour of BA.
The case for the injunction now sought by BA will not be heard until after 1130 on Monday. If the judgement is not made that day, then any strikers on the following day (Tuesday) could find themselves with limited legal protection if the judge finds in favour of BA.
The case for the injunction now sought by BA will not be heard until after 1130 on Monday. If the judgement is not made that day, then any strikers on the following day (Tuesday) could find themselves with limited legal protection if the judge finds in favour of BA.
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wwcrewmember, a hypothetical question (not aimed at you personally though obviously)-
If you were a striker, would you bet you income/job on that outcome and if the decision was made til Tuesday would you still not come in ?
I bet there will be some sleepless nights this weekend ...
ottergirl - you say the shorthaul network is being cancelled but my nightstops next week are still in tact and nothing on my roster has been cancelled - believe whatever propaganda you want to, nothing is for certain yet and I think BA are (rightly) keeping their options open
If you were a striker, would you bet you income/job on that outcome and if the decision was made til Tuesday would you still not come in ?
I bet there will be some sleepless nights this weekend ...
ottergirl - you say the shorthaul network is being cancelled but my nightstops next week are still in tact and nothing on my roster has been cancelled - believe whatever propaganda you want to, nothing is for certain yet and I think BA are (rightly) keeping their options open
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That's why they have done it so late on a Friday - and the fact that other crew members on here are cheering for the colleagues to be sacked whilst taking part in a lawful dispute is beyond reproach
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i have to disagree as i think they are all worried about their own jobs and the survival of BA - we have family/mortgages to maintain. Not selfish in my view
the world has very different views outside 'Bassaworld'
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i have to disagree as i think they are all worried about their own jobs and the survival of BA - we have family/mortgages to maintain. Not selfish in my view
the world has very different views outside 'Bassaworld'
Backing BA