British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Why would Willy want to get in the way of BA procedures, those accused will be accompanied by the TU for support and the manager will have to give a fair hearing as he will be supported by PMA, there are two levels of appeal before it goes to tribunal, BA tends to follow the process as a given and as such, I dont know of any tribunal that BA has not won, most with the comments, "BA has made every attempt to ensure that a fair hearing has taken place"
I have heard that most of the accused have been advised by the TU to go sick rather than attend !!!, what is the point of that ?, that just delays things and can rob them of making a case as the hearing can be heard in there absence if not attendance continues.
I have heard that most of the accused have been advised by the TU to go sick rather than attend !!!, what is the point of that ?, that just delays things and can rob them of making a case as the hearing can be heard in there absence if not attendance continues.
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What else were they doing then?
What else were they doing then?
It isn't what I expect from any UNION rep.
For the record BA just doesn't go round suspending employees for drinking coffee in hotels!!! If you don't know the facts, please don't make it up.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views and not those of my employer.
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proposal yes or not
I read the proposal and i think is reasonable, but i am not crew... so i have asked a manager in the area what's the future re mixed fleet , which is the concern of many. he said that the process to full implementation can take up to 15 years.
Are CC really worried about what is going to happen in 15 years? i am not even sure we will stil exist as BA...
A strike is obviously pointless , Willie has made his mind up and he has all the support of the LT and the board.
Any legal áction taken to obtain ST back will be long costly and ultimatelly pointless.
Are CC really worried about what is going to happen in 15 years? i am not even sure we will stil exist as BA...
A strike is obviously pointless , Willie has made his mind up and he has all the support of the LT and the board.
Any legal áction taken to obtain ST back will be long costly and ultimatelly pointless.
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Tiramisu,
With respect, I am not making any statements. I may have misread ploddings post, but in my opinion, there was a suggestion that someone was lying.
Why have you not made comments on what people have actually posted? Some have suggested facts, but how can you substantiate that?
With respect, I am not making any statements. I may have misread ploddings post, but in my opinion, there was a suggestion that someone was lying.
Why have you not made comments on what people have actually posted? Some have suggested facts, but how can you substantiate that?
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Why have you not made comments on what people have actually posted?
As a BA employee posting on a public forum, some things are not appropriate for discussion here like disciplinaries and what people are suspended for. If I was aware of details why individuals are suspended which I might be, I would not reveal it here.
There seems little point in posting if I can't back my posts with facts.
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Sorry I thought it was common knowledge (the alleged kidnapping) which allegedly involved a small number of striking cabin crew. There is a police investigation currently underway.
As for employment law being for guidance only my experience is simply that the majority of companies don't have access to the legal advice that BA does so they tend to act first and find out the law later if they fall foul of it. Mostly they don't - as there are no unions to pick up the bits. The point still stands I think - in many companies these people would not just be suspended pending, they'd already have been booted into the long grass.
As for employment law being for guidance only my experience is simply that the majority of companies don't have access to the legal advice that BA does so they tend to act first and find out the law later if they fall foul of it. Mostly they don't - as there are no unions to pick up the bits. The point still stands I think - in many companies these people would not just be suspended pending, they'd already have been booted into the long grass.
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Tiramisu,
My point was that you chose to criticise me for asking a question, rather than some of the comments made by others.
On a point of principle, as I understand it, some BA employees have been suspended. Suspension at this time, is not a punishment, but part of a process of investigation.
My point was that you chose to criticise me for asking a question, rather than some of the comments made by others.
On a point of principle, as I understand it, some BA employees have been suspended. Suspension at this time, is not a punishment, but part of a process of investigation.
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Litebulbs - I believe there is a person within the BASSA hierarchy with a lot of time on his hands these days, who is archiving posts of BA pilots he believes intimidatory, and trying to get BA to "balance the books" with disciplinaries. This certainly makes me think twice before ANY post on this subject, and I doubt I am alone in this.
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Tiramisu,
Is that vote for non-union members part of the official poll, or just BA trying to show the overall picture?
Is that vote for non-union members part of the official poll, or just BA trying to show the overall picture?
I'm not sure but I'll find out and let you know.
However, at the last Employee Forum at Waterside held by our CEO Willie Walsh a month ago, he spoke about balloting all cabin crew as our contract is with BA and not the union and I was very much in favour of this. Interestingly, he has done everything he said he would to date during this dispute.
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Litebulbs - I believe there is a person within the BASSA hierarchy with a lot of time on his hands these days, who is archiving posts of BA pilots he believes intimidatory, and trying to get BA to "balance the books" with disciplinaries. This certainly makes me think twice before ANY post on this subject, and I doubt I am alone in this.
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I believe there is a person within the BASSA hierarchy with a lot of time on his hands these days, who is archiving posts of BA pilots he believes intimidatory.
Unbelievable!
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In my simplistic understanding of employment law, that statement is correct and incorrect, but I may be correct or incorrect in what I have just said. Case law is fun, or not.
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In my simplistic understanding of employment law, that statement is correct and incorrect, but I may be correct or incorrect in what I have just said. Case law is fun, or not.
If I may correct myself please, what our CEO Willie Walsh did say was that 'perhaps' it may be an idea to ballot cabin crew with the offer.
However, it has happened.
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Tiramisu,
The interesting thing with this is whether Mr Walsh would have a ballot of the workforce, if no recognition deal was in place at all.
The words in the offer about a new style of recognition with a new body. Any ideas?!
The interesting thing with this is whether Mr Walsh would have a ballot of the workforce, if no recognition deal was in place at all.
The words in the offer about a new style of recognition with a new body. Any ideas?!
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Yesterday, Melissa1510 posted something along the lines of 'Willie has made his mind up and has the backing of the board and LT'. Well, I would like to agree, and add that he also has the backing of the entire BA non-cc workforce (the odd one or 2, here and there excepted) - that's a lot of people. He also has the backing of a proportion of cc, and that is a critical mass of employees determined not to allow BASSA to destroy BA. To many, WW is regarded as the saviour of our airline. A lesser able business man would have crumbled and departed the fix months ago.
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6th may ...
So the Unite ballot ends at midnight 6th may ... funny how the general election voting ends a few hours before ....
Perhaps something to do with the £m's labour get from them as funding ? (IMHO)
LTF
Perhaps something to do with the £m's labour get from them as funding ? (IMHO)
LTF
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LTF,
Other way round, Unite are rankrolling upto 163 Labour MP's I believe.
Don't want to rock the boat before the boat do they. Those nasty Tories might get in with their damnable progressive Corporate views. The Morning Post couldn't have that could they!
Nothing like pulling the political puppet strings using the jobs, money and livelyhoods of the Cabin Crew.
Couldn'y make it up could you.
Other way round, Unite are rankrolling upto 163 Labour MP's I believe.
Don't want to rock the boat before the boat do they. Those nasty Tories might get in with their damnable progressive Corporate views. The Morning Post couldn't have that could they!
Nothing like pulling the political puppet strings using the jobs, money and livelyhoods of the Cabin Crew.
Couldn'y make it up could you.
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Balloting ALL cabin crew
Seems like a good PR exercise as the likelihood is that WW will get a majority in favour of acceptance, but I doubt it will have any legal implications.
BTW, WW has NOT done everything he said since he has now agreed to restore limited ST. He has gone on record that he will never do so. This is either a pragmatic approach or a clever tactic to show that he has been negotiating in good faith.
It is essential to be seen to do so if he choses to use the 12 week rule later on.
It seems to me that UNITE have already broken one of the areas that WW has demanded i.e."to communicate in a balanced manner". By reccomending rejection of the offer and making general statements about lack of trust as opposed to simply presenting the facts they have stuck two fingers up to Willie. It seems like the militants in BASSA have won the internal battle. How can Derek Simpson reconcile his present position with his earlier "bunch of clowns" comments.
BTW, WW has NOT done everything he said since he has now agreed to restore limited ST. He has gone on record that he will never do so. This is either a pragmatic approach or a clever tactic to show that he has been negotiating in good faith.
It is essential to be seen to do so if he choses to use the 12 week rule later on.
It seems to me that UNITE have already broken one of the areas that WW has demanded i.e."to communicate in a balanced manner". By reccomending rejection of the offer and making general statements about lack of trust as opposed to simply presenting the facts they have stuck two fingers up to Willie. It seems like the militants in BASSA have won the internal battle. How can Derek Simpson reconcile his present position with his earlier "bunch of clowns" comments.