British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)

[A Lurker]

Juan Tugoh

If, they were just getting rid of the rank then those affected would probably be offered VR or to take the new position in CC as you suggest but at the new position pay rates or if lucky with remaining frozen until the new position pay catches up with their current frozen pay.

When Concorde finished some of the Engineers became CC on their (was) current basic pay - if a role where to disappear such as CSD then all CSD's who stayed flying would remain on their current basic salary - however it may be difficult for BA to get away with it as the role itself isn't disappearing as they still require a single in-charge Crew member. The role which would be most under threat in my view is that of Purser.

[Juan Tugoh]

I was merely stating that there are many ways of deciding who could go if the company decided to use SOSR. I did not mean to suggest that BA intended to do this or had even had vague musings on the subject. The point is more that there are many ways in which SOSR could target certain groups.

However, as many airlines only have Pursers and no rank above that the rank of CSD can easily be got rid of. A SCCM role most certainly would still exist. Pursers act as the SCCM at present on many shorthaul aircraft and act as SCCM "acting up" on LH so it would be far more cost effective to get rid of CSD's. The fact that there are some ex FE's acting as CC does not mean that this would happen again. This is a different situation entirely and you cannot use it as a precedent.

[320push-n-puller]

"single in-charge Crew member"

A Lurker,
"single in-charge Crew member" that is the captain !!!
We are operating under EU-OPS, have a look at Part A2
(known as JPM in BA).
I guess you mean the SCCM, only one on board anyway.

[A Lurker]

320push-n-puller

A Lurker,
"single in-charge Crew member" that is the captain !!!
We are operating under EU-OPS, have a look at Part A2
(known as JPM in BA).

And you wonder why people don't bother posting on here - such a 'superior' attitude it must be great being almost 'Godlike' .

In case you hadn't noticed this is a Cabin Crew thread and the discussion was about CABIN CREW and a single in-charge Cabin Crew member

[320push-n-puller]

Facts

And you wonder why people don't bother posting on here - such a 'superior' attitude it must be great being almost 'Godlike' .

I have only stated facts, ...

and BTW the title of the thread is:

"British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)"

[A Lurker]

320push-n-puller

Stop being so pathetic - the discussion is in the Cabin Crew Forum - and the discussion between posters was about in-charge Cabin Crew - havent you got a Mass to attend it is Sunday, God?

[320push-n-puller]

SCCM - in charge crew member

Juan Tugoh

For instance they may decide to get rid of the rank of CSD and all CSD's could go

Now, I only try to say, CSD is no legal term,
neither is "in charge crew member" (ok, that is the captain)
and there is no such thing as "in charge cabin crew member".

There is one "senior cabin crew member" (SCCM) on board, the experience has
to be at least 6 months.

BA could decide to have only one Purser on board who will be the SCCM.
And as Juan Tugoh said get rid of all CSD's

[wiggy]

havent you got a Mass to attend it is Sunday, God?

He doesn't need to attend - surely he's omnipresent....

[320push-n-puller]

Harassment

That is an example about a discussion with CC.
I can say reasonable things, and the answer...
harassment.

Good luck

[A Lurker]

320push-n-puller

Harassment?????

You really do need to get a grip - you where the one that started all this - would you like my Staff Number so you can report me? 683*5* - joined 1986 - see if you can work it out - then take me in the office for harassment - what is it with Airbus Pilots are you all on a mission to get as many crew possible suspended?

[Litebulbs]

OK, the flight crew are in charge. Now to the cabin. Who is going to direct or manage 99% of things after the door is locked?

[A Lurker]

Juan Tugoh

Actually thinking about it - it is probably irrelevant whatever the in-charge crew member is called - the job is pretty much the same - in fact BA changed the name of Cabin Crew from Steward and Stewardess a few years ago - I think it is more relevant if the actual job itself disappears (like the Concorde FE's) - there will always be a SCCM onboard, irrelevant if they are called CSD, PSR etc Plus of course the CSD now operates as a Main Crew member on L/H

By the way the BA test flight (747 G-CIVC) is just over South Wales - you can track it live on here http://www.radarvirtuel.com/#

[Juan Tugoh]

Thanks for the link Lurker.

Your reading of it is the same as mine. You can call a job whatever you like all that really matters is the level of pay - hence my suggestion that should BA decide to get rid of a CC rank it would be more likely to be CSD than purser. Not that BA are even considering this as far as I am aware.

I certainly was in no doubt that this hypothetical musing was about CC and I was in no doubt you were talking about the same thing.

[A Lurker]

Juan Tugoh

By the way the flight just disappeared off the screen!

I think it has to go the way of a single grade - hence On Board manager type role - given the events of this last week it all needs to be sorted asap - for all our sakes!

My take on the Purser role going is that there are more of them on L/H if we go down the road of single on board manager - hence get rid of PSR not the CSD

[Juan Tugoh]

A Lurker

You may well be right - but it is all supposition. I don't think we really want to contemplate any more changes at the moment though!

Personally I would be quite happy to just get flying again with all this ash about. It is doing far more damage to the industry than anything else and if the doomsayers are correct and this thing hangs about for a few months, we may all be looking for a new job and this little dispute with the management may rapidly become academic.

One thing I wouldn't want on my CV right now though is that I was a striking crew member at BA. IF this seriously damages aviation and large job losses happen those who did strike may find it hard to get another job in aviation.

[Middy]

A Lurker

Please learn the definition difference between " where " and "were" and use them appropriately in your posts, it makes reading them so much easier ! Thanks

[Litebulbs]

Middy,

What's one h between friends?

[ottergirl]

Hi Lurker and JuanTugoh

My take on the Purser role going is that there are more of them on L/H if we go down the road of single on board manager - hence get rid of PSR not the CSD

If you add in to this debate the fact that the Pursers have had no job specification since BOAC then their role is the easiest to remove. Arguably they are being reduced by stealth on all fleets so that there are a lot less of them than there was 10 years ago.

Now, I only try to say, CSD is no legal term,
neither is "in charge crew member" (ok, that is the captain)
and there is no such thing as "in charge cabin crew member".

For 320push-n-puller(are you a tug driver?), surely it is sufficient for a term to be in 'common usage' for it to be used on a Cabin Crew thread. It is a term borrowed from charter and US carriers to be sure but it is still in common use at BA and therefore your post does seem a little pedantic to say the least. It looks like 'point-scoring' when you throw in these random observations without attempting to add to the debate, almost as if you were inviting harrassment!

[Litebulbs]

Ottergirl,

I have found in my career that anybody who needs to explain that they are in charge of you, very rarely achieves what goes with that responsibility.

[ottergirl]

You are so right Litebulbs, that has been my experience too! The most outstanding Captains I have encountered in 25 years have needed neither stripes nor scrambled eggs to command the a/c, just their personality!