British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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how can you expect staff to be loyal if you call them:
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
From this morning's 'Today' programme on R4.
Jim Naughtie grills Derek Simpson, who replies with the usual windbag bluff & bluster. Sounds like an interview which might have been conducted c1973.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8567000/8567482.stm
Jim Naughtie grills Derek Simpson, who replies with the usual windbag bluff & bluster. Sounds like an interview which might have been conducted c1973.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8567000/8567482.stm
Litebulbs,
If those departed BASSA members consider direct and accurate questioning of a weak position as 'bullying' then they have some serious lessons to learn about life in general. A 'protected' life within the BASSA citadel is certainly not a good basis to be facing the world with, particularly if one endangers the livelihoods of those outside of the citadel.
If folk can't back up a weak position with facts, that doesn't mean that those who are questioning that position are bullies. What it does mean is that the holders of the weak position have got tired of being overwhelmed with fact. Fiction just doesn't cut it in the real world I'm afraid!
There have been a few [BASSA Members] previously, but a fair amount of bullying from a small minority has driven them away, to the detriment of this thread.
If folk can't back up a weak position with facts, that doesn't mean that those who are questioning that position are bullies. What it does mean is that the holders of the weak position have got tired of being overwhelmed with fact. Fiction just doesn't cut it in the real world I'm afraid!
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how can you expect staff to be loyal if you call them:
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
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Originally Posted by ba.husband
Can't disagree with much of that.
Immediately WW declares an imagined sum to cover these losses and any other costs he can assign to it. He announces that there will have to be a permanent 2.6% pay cut across the board in addition to previous changes. Additionally he declares that all 'expensive' routes will go to a new long haul fleet and away from LHR WW.
In other words, crew lose out big time, and the eventual result will be the decimation of the current crew either to the four winds or to a new, much lower paid fleet. One that will only support single people living at home or in shared accommodation.
In other words, crew lose out big time, and the eventual result will be the decimation of the current crew either to the four winds or to a new, much lower paid fleet. One that will only support single people living at home or in shared accommodation.
My point in that post is that we're now down to a couple of options for crew - regardless of how we got here.
1/ Strike and remain in a position of influence. As a result keep much of the pay and working conditions that actually matter. I'm not sure current BASSA reps will have full support after this is all over and maybe we'll go to a more even representation of the various contracts and seniorities of the company.
2/ Don't strike and have your job as you know it swept away from under you. See Cabin Crew transformed into a position only suitable for those who are young and single - living with their parents or in shared accommodation.
I just don't understand, at this point in time, why anyone would choose the latter.
WW's remit has been to break the unions in order to allow an across-the-board reduction in costs from every department. That might be in the shareholders' interests, but it's not in the interests of the employees.
As for my comments on how profit/loss is accounted for, if you think it's the auditor's job to publicly criticise valid methods of accounting that shift liabilities from year to year, you probably don't understand accounting. If someone can explain to me how with year on year increased turnover profit went from Ł878m to (Ł220m) without something creative going on, I'm all ears. Hell, while you're at it, explain to me why 2009, this disastrous year, was the first in at least 5 when a dividend was declared?
Just to be clear, I'm not pro-union, I'm very much against the bullying methods of management employed by the current BA leadership but we now find ourselves in a position where crew only really have one choice - go out and strike. The other choice is to quit and I don't see how that's in their own interests.
That supposed quote comes from a satirical news article, not a real one.
.... due diligence and agreement ....
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how can you expect staff to be loyal if you call them:
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
"British Airways is dedicated to our passengers and we will ensure that they get to their destinations by any measure possible. We will not let those stupid trolley pushing ingrates ruin your trip," Mr Walsh added.
(The article is a joke, you see)
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You are misquoting the CEO of a company involved in a very public, emotional, political and litigious battle with the largest trade union in the country, however unintentional for your part.
I would edit your post if I were you, seriously, I would.
You are misquoting the CEO of a company involved in a very public, emotional, political and litigious battle with the largest trade union in the country, however unintentional for your part.
I would edit your post if I were you, seriously, I would.
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Agreed!
(I deleted my post as I saw others had already pointed out the spoof website so another contribution was unnecessary. However, as Deeceethree quoted, I finished by mentioning the way WW usually refers to his staff)
(I deleted my post as I saw others had already pointed out the spoof website so another contribution was unnecessary. However, as Deeceethree quoted, I finished by mentioning the way WW usually refers to his staff)
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TwoRoles:
If I am to understand your comment correctly, the reason you are supporting this strike is because the reduction in staffing was imposed?
I will admit to having some difficulty understanding some BASSA members line of reasoning.
The Court has ruled that the change in staffing was reasonable and the issue was non-contractual (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
How much power should a Union have in the day to day operations of a business such as BA? What I'm finding objectionable is my impression that BASSA feels as if it should be consulted on basic business operations outside of the realm of its obligation to reasonably protect the interests of its members.
The public, or at least the vast majority of the public, seem to agree that BASSA is crossing the line in that they not only want to be consulted regarding Cabin Crew issues, but also wish to be part of the decision making process regarding business planning and day to day operational issues. This is simply not their scope.
As for the comment regarding imposition being misused in the future, that is not something to strike over now..especially when it has been ruled that this imposition is quite appropriate.
If I am to understand your comment correctly, the reason you are supporting this strike is because the reduction in staffing was imposed?
I will admit to having some difficulty understanding some BASSA members line of reasoning.
The Court has ruled that the change in staffing was reasonable and the issue was non-contractual (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
How much power should a Union have in the day to day operations of a business such as BA? What I'm finding objectionable is my impression that BASSA feels as if it should be consulted on basic business operations outside of the realm of its obligation to reasonably protect the interests of its members.
The public, or at least the vast majority of the public, seem to agree that BASSA is crossing the line in that they not only want to be consulted regarding Cabin Crew issues, but also wish to be part of the decision making process regarding business planning and day to day operational issues. This is simply not their scope.
As for the comment regarding imposition being misused in the future, that is not something to strike over now..especially when it has been ruled that this imposition is quite appropriate.
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It is worth remembering that this “imposition” was the end result of a very long period of attempted negotiation by British Airways, a period which has been described by a high court judge in all its horrible and ineffectual (on the part of the unions) detail.
I think that the three most widely used, and abused, words in this dispute have to be, “Imposition” “Macho” and “bully” – propaganda at its finest.
I think that the three most widely used, and abused, words in this dispute have to be, “Imposition” “Macho” and “bully” – propaganda at its finest.
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I see Gordon Brown has got off the fence and described the strike as being at "the wrong time, unjustified and deplorable".
BBC News - Gordon Brown says BA strike deplorable and unjustified
I wonder if the union will also say he is "badly informed".
BBC News - Gordon Brown says BA strike deplorable and unjustified
I wonder if the union will also say he is "badly informed".
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Litebulb:
I believe you know what the result was, a VOLUNTARY reduction in staff.
Perfectly legal and certainly manageable as other locales have proven.
As for any future impositions, that is impossible to address because if BA was to make such a move the staff, stockholders and public would have to address the specifics of that move at that time.
I believe you know what the result was, a VOLUNTARY reduction in staff.
Perfectly legal and certainly manageable as other locales have proven.
As for any future impositions, that is impossible to address because if BA was to make such a move the staff, stockholders and public would have to address the specifics of that move at that time.