British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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To the PCCC,
I have just seen a copy of your message to cabin crew colleagues (I'll leave it to one of you if you wish to post a copy here
). I can do no more than say best wishes and good luck! Go get 'em!
I have just seen a copy of your message to cabin crew colleagues (I'll leave it to one of you if you wish to post a copy here
). I can do no more than say best wishes and good luck! Go get 'em!
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What difference will the increase in tax on meal allowances actually make?
Looking at a pay advice for December 2009 as an example:
The total MEAL allowances for Longhaul trips was £700 gross rounded down.
The taxable element was 35% of £700 = £245
So therefore tax paid on Meal Allowances would have been:
£245 x 20% = £49.00 for a standard rate taxpayer
£245 x 40% = £98.00 for a higher rate taxpayer
From 1st Feb 2010, the taxable element is raised to 59% ( or 41% tax free as stated in the HMRC notification)
The taxable element will be 59% of £700 = £413
So therefore tax paid on Meal Allowances will be:
£413 x 20% = £82.60 for a standard rate taxpayer
£413 x 40% = £165.20 for a higher rate taxpayer
This represents a rise of £33.60 pcm for standard rate taxpayers and £67.20 pcm for a higher rate taxpayer assuming the total meal allowances for the month were £700.
In percentage terms this is
Standard Rate: £33.60/£49.00*100 = 68.57%
Higher Rate: £67.20/£98.00*100 = 68.57%
In conclusion, just look at your last pay slip and find the figure that represents 35% TAX PRT ALL
If you are LH Crew, calculate 68.57% of it and that is how much more tax you would have paid under the new regime.
The total MEAL allowances for Longhaul trips was £700 gross rounded down.
The taxable element was 35% of £700 = £245
So therefore tax paid on Meal Allowances would have been:
£245 x 20% = £49.00 for a standard rate taxpayer
£245 x 40% = £98.00 for a higher rate taxpayer
From 1st Feb 2010, the taxable element is raised to 59% ( or 41% tax free as stated in the HMRC notification)
The taxable element will be 59% of £700 = £413
So therefore tax paid on Meal Allowances will be:
£413 x 20% = £82.60 for a standard rate taxpayer
£413 x 40% = £165.20 for a higher rate taxpayer
This represents a rise of £33.60 pcm for standard rate taxpayers and £67.20 pcm for a higher rate taxpayer assuming the total meal allowances for the month were £700.
In percentage terms this is
Standard Rate: £33.60/£49.00*100 = 68.57%
Higher Rate: £67.20/£98.00*100 = 68.57%
In conclusion, just look at your last pay slip and find the figure that represents 35% TAX PRT ALL
If you are LH Crew, calculate 68.57% of it and that is how much more tax you would have paid under the new regime.
Last edited by Rover90; 17th Jan 2010 at 16:08. Reason: More accurate basic tax rate
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Quite right Glamgirl. I don't hate cabin crew at all, but I have noted that the 'you hate crew' allegation is levelled whenever crew can no longer argue against the facts.
Quite right Glamgirl. I don't hate cabin crew at all, but I have noted that the 'you hate crew' allegation is levelled whenever crew can no longer argue against the facts.
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More deception by BASSA
A BASSA rep has just told the WW membership that
"As this was a HMRC directive, there is nothing we could do about it".
Dear BASSA, ff you would put a bit less time throwing toys out of your prams and stamping your feet when you don't get your way, and a bit more time actually negotiating and working for your membership when it actually matters (as BALPA did on this tax issue), you might actually achieve something.
Rant over..
PS I am engaged to a BA CC member and obviously have nothing against them. I do have a big problem by the misrepresentation of the workforce.
"As this was a HMRC directive, there is nothing we could do about it".
Dear BASSA, ff you would put a bit less time throwing toys out of your prams and stamping your feet when you don't get your way, and a bit more time actually negotiating and working for your membership when it actually matters (as BALPA did on this tax issue), you might actually achieve something.
Rant over..
PS I am engaged to a BA CC member and obviously have nothing against them. I do have a big problem by the misrepresentation of the workforce.
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Still no answer from Bassa about the tax fiasco.Many questions but no answers.
Usual nonsense about buying less T shirts on trips and not even noticing the extra money from their salary. Hello?
Some people even suggesting that this tax hike is a good thing and that it would be tax evasion if it were not paid.
Monday will be a good day to bury bad news.
No one will get a sensible answer at the union meeting.
The reps are stressed,busy, on disciplinaries etc so haven't been able to sort it out.
If it wasn't so serious I may be able to laugh at all this.
Usual nonsense about buying less T shirts on trips and not even noticing the extra money from their salary. Hello?
Some people even suggesting that this tax hike is a good thing and that it would be tax evasion if it were not paid.
Monday will be a good day to bury bad news.
No one will get a sensible answer at the union meeting.
The reps are stressed,busy, on disciplinaries etc so haven't been able to sort it out.
If it wasn't so serious I may be able to laugh at all this.
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Seriously? Ok then. I am not against LHR. I've explained this to you before. The reason why we've expected this whole thing is because LGW is the blue print of the future of BA (as many see it). Not because I have anything against LHR. I've many friends at LHR and I am proud and happy to call them friends and I wouldn't want anything bad happening to them. The things happening at the moment at LHR is not classified (in my book at least) as bad things. Bad things would be loss of contract/pay cut/CR/massive cut of routes and so on.
)I agree, the loss of contract would be something we dread which is why the BASSA militants should wake up to reality and realise how fortunate they are compared to others in the industry. I know for a fact that crew at BMI have been served with '90 days' SOSR and are waiting to hear whether they've kept their jobs or will be given a new contract.
The new tax is self inflicted and if you can't see now that you've been badly represented and let down, I don't know when you will.
Perhaps SOSR might, by which time it will be far too late to do anything at all.
This is why those who want intelligent and sensible representation should email Professional Cabin Crew Council. For those interested, please contact HiFlyer14, Glamgirl, TorC, Slidebustle or myself. We need to act, and act fast. Otherwise we will lose the very thing we're are trying to protect, our JOBS.
We need to spread the word. The word is VOTE NO in the ballot. Then Professional Cabin Crew Council can pick up the pieces, and find a better way for everyone to safeguard all our jobs.
I'm BA Cabin Crew and the above represent my personal views and not those of BA.
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The PCC team sent out an email yesterday to anyone that has registered with the Professional Cabin Crew Council. There has been an enormous ammount of interest and people have forwarded it their Facebook/******* contacts. Apparently, some crew on the BASSA forum are now complaining about unsolicited emails. If you are registed on Facebook/******* or other public sites and you've given your email address, then that's how it's got through.
On behalf of the PCC team, unless you have an interest and have registered with us, we would not send you an email.
On behalf of the PCC team, unless you have an interest and have registered with us, we would not send you an email.
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It might be a boring line but an accurate such as this thread is extremely anti towards cabin crew and particulary those of us at BA wanting to protect whatever we have.
The taxation issue could have probably be dealt with better but take into consideration that we have been given an increment this year so you will hardly notice the difference. I had a look at my payslip from December and calculated that I would have to pay around £23 more in taxes. It's not that much. All those crew who think they are being taxed wrongly can send their receipts to HMRC! Personally I won't bother with it.
Has this Professional Cabin Crew Council been recognized by BA?
The taxation issue could have probably be dealt with better but take into consideration that we have been given an increment this year so you will hardly notice the difference. I had a look at my payslip from December and calculated that I would have to pay around £23 more in taxes. It's not that much. All those crew who think they are being taxed wrongly can send their receipts to HMRC! Personally I won't bother with it.
Has this Professional Cabin Crew Council been recognized by BA?
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this thread is extremely anti towards cabin crew
Perhaps what you really wanted to say is that "this thread is extremely anti towards BASSA and its mishandling of some very important issues"?
Has this Professional Cabin Crew Council been recognized by BA?
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MissM, we have asked you twice already, so this is a last and final request & warning.
Stop pushing that very silly ´this thread is anti CC´ rubbish.
As said many times before, this forum, and that includes this thread, is for cabin crew, about cabin crew and largely written by cabin crew.
Repeating your ludicrous lie won´t turn it into the truth, and we are not willing to give you bandwith to accuse PPRuNe of a bias it doesn´t have.
Much appreciate your presence here, much appreciate your explanations of the BASSA point of view.
But that doesn´t mean forum rules do not apply to you like they apply to everybody else here.
Either stick to them or find your access to this forum rescinded.
Stop pushing that very silly ´this thread is anti CC´ rubbish.
As said many times before, this forum, and that includes this thread, is for cabin crew, about cabin crew and largely written by cabin crew.
Repeating your ludicrous lie won´t turn it into the truth, and we are not willing to give you bandwith to accuse PPRuNe of a bias it doesn´t have.
Much appreciate your presence here, much appreciate your explanations of the BASSA point of view.
But that doesn´t mean forum rules do not apply to you like they apply to everybody else here.
Either stick to them or find your access to this forum rescinded.
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It might be a boring line but an accurate such as this thread is extremely anti towards cabin crew and particulary those of us at BA wanting to protect whatever we have.
"The taxation could have probably been dealt with better"? The taxation could have DEFINITELY been dealt with better. We pay £150,000 in subscription fees to this Union - as anyone asked where that money is being spent? It is absurd to pay that amount of money, and not expect the recipients to be accountable for their actions. It is an absolute outrage to see the excellent result the Pilot's union achieved for it's members compared to the disgraceful outcome that we have ended up with. BASSA members need to register their complaints with the Union.
It is curious to read the people that say "not bothered" by an ENORMOUS hike in tax, "not bothered" about losing their job because they have other jobs, etc. But yet these same people are SO bothered by imposition that they are prepared to go on strike about it and risk everything? Why? Where is the "not bothered" attitude there? It simply does not make sense to be "not bothered" about severe financial implications to your salary, implications to your job. This "double-standard" I'm afraid makes their whole argument somewhat transparent.
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The only way that I can afford the new tax rate is to cut back a bit.
Been looking at my monthly outgoings and found the perfect solution.
Will cancel my Bassa subs . Not just yet though.Need to vote NO first.
Been looking at my monthly outgoings and found the perfect solution.
Will cancel my Bassa subs . Not just yet though.Need to vote NO first.
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Hi HiFlyer14, have received your email and will definetly 'be spreading the word'.
I note the Bassa forum has deleted the threads pertaining to the PCCC, but no idea why?
All the best
AD
I note the Bassa forum has deleted the threads pertaining to the PCCC, but no idea why?
All the best
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The taxation issue could have probably be dealt with better but take into consideration that we have been given an increment this year so you will hardly notice the difference. I had a look at my payslip from December and calculated that I would have to pay around £23 more in taxes. It's not that much. All those crew who think they are being taxed wrongly can send their receipts to HMRC! Personally I won't bother with it.
The (working one down) issue could have probably be dealt with better but take into consideration that we have been given an increment this year so you will hardly notice the difference. I had a look at my payslip from December and calculated that I would (be paid exactly the same as any other month). It's not that much. All those crew who think they are (working harder) can (manage with fifteen minutes less bunk time)! Personally I won't bother with it.
It looks like the two issues are interchangeable!!
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Please may I echo Midman's post and Davecr's reply? 
Amidst all the shouting and posturing, the basic issue keeps getting forgotten. Current crews at LHR will not be financially affected - but some [i.e. the CSD] may actually have to do a bit more work as the CC will be reduced by ONE. Yes, just ONE.
Is that honestly a scenario to cause even more damage to a company losing £1m a day? When current CC are basically unaffected by the change, apart from the CSD's?
Incidentally, nobody answered an earlier question i noticed about BA forward bookings ... how are the customer numbers looking these days? Because THAT, and not the minutiae of allowances and "Doors 5", is what will actually determine how many people have jobs later this year.
I would emphasise to flapsforty that I am well aware that I am using this Thread under sufferance. However, the issue is substantially bigger than just CC/BA/BASSA. The reality is, IMO, the future viability of BA as an airline, and my posts should be taken in that context.
Amidst all the shouting and posturing, the basic issue keeps getting forgotten. Current crews at LHR will not be financially affected - but some [i.e. the CSD] may actually have to do a bit more work as the CC will be reduced by ONE. Yes, just ONE.
Is that honestly a scenario to cause even more damage to a company losing £1m a day? When current CC are basically unaffected by the change, apart from the CSD's?
Incidentally, nobody answered an earlier question i noticed about BA forward bookings ... how are the customer numbers looking these days? Because THAT, and not the minutiae of allowances and "Doors 5", is what will actually determine how many people have jobs later this year.
I would emphasise to flapsforty that I am well aware that I am using this Thread under sufferance. However, the issue is substantially bigger than just CC/BA/BASSA. The reality is, IMO, the future viability of BA as an airline, and my posts should be taken in that context.
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Hi HiFlyer14, have received your email and will definetly 'be spreading the word'. 
I note the Bassa forum has deleted the threads pertaining to the PCCC, but no idea why?
I note the Bassa forum has deleted the threads pertaining to the PCCC, but no idea why?
Regrettably, some BASSA members are now accusing us of "unsolicited mail". I would just like to reiterate what Tiramisu said and that is that PCCC is a Professional Cabin Crew Council. We have only sent emails to people that have registered an interest in PCCC on our dedicated email address. Some crew have, in their eagerness to spread the word, forwarded it on to their other contacts, be it via facebook, the Twit one (why does it do that **** thing
), etc. So it is not unsolicited email and it is not being sent by us. Anyway we are neither a business, nor a marketing company. We are simply professional cabin crew calling for professional representation. The unsolicited email call is therefore clutching at straws.Amazing that BASSA are very quick to cry "foul" when they realise that their Union is not as watertight as they would like to think. It also shows the depths they plunge to to try and counter any valid challenge to their unjustified call for strike.
I note that they have also not responded to any of the questions re the taxation issue. It seems on issues they don't like, don't agree with or cannot answer, they simply ignore or delete.
Let us be very clear about this. A growing minority of cabin crew have an opinion which is very different to that of UNITE. We also have a voice. We are prepared to use it and we will not be deterred by the attempts, of which there will undoubtedly be more, to slander or abuse us.
I am BA cabin crew and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
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The only way that I can afford the new tax rate is to cut back a bit.
Been looking at my monthly outgoings and found the perfect solution.
Will cancel my Bassa subs . Not just yet though.Need to vote NO first.
Been looking at my monthly outgoings and found the perfect solution.
Will cancel my Bassa subs . Not just yet though.Need to vote NO first.
What a great way to negate the effect of this disastrous taxation result.
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One? One only? Are you sure? Because I did LAS and MIA in November and December last year and we were 2 CC less!
Amidst all the shouting and posturing, the basic issue keeps getting forgotten. Current crews at LHR will not be financially affected - but some [i.e. the CSD] may actually have to do a bit more work as the CC will be reduced by ONE. Yes, just ONE.
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Miss M,
I would like to ask you in complete sincerity why you work here?
You are "not bothered" about the money because you have other jobs, income etc. and you have stated that the increase in tax is not an issue for you.
On top of that you do not like the "hard work" being imposed on us. Why on earth do you stay? It's not a prison, and BA are not holding us against our will, so what's stopping you from leaving?
I am BA cabin crew and the above is my own view and not that of BA.
I would like to ask you in complete sincerity why you work here?
You are "not bothered" about the money because you have other jobs, income etc. and you have stated that the increase in tax is not an issue for you.
On top of that you do not like the "hard work" being imposed on us. Why on earth do you stay? It's not a prison, and BA are not holding us against our will, so what's stopping you from leaving?
I am BA cabin crew and the above is my own view and not that of BA.