British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Just a few FACTS to add to the mix
The current basic for a Longhaul CSD on the top pay point is £43,283.00 gross
Tax is currently paid on 35% of allowances.
CSD’s get 4 request trips per year and usually bid for premium payment trips ie HKG/SIN/BKK/NRT
The take home pay (net pay after deductions) ranges from £3300 to £4500+ depending on the rostered trips that month.
The cost of employment referred to in the CAA website would certainly have to include the Employers contribution to Pension and National Insurance.
As regards HMRC and the meal allowance audit. Some care was required in submissions to HMRC. If an individual receipt for four breakfasts on the same day was submitted., that would not be accepted by the eagled eyed inspectors and they would credit one. Similarly, it would not be reasonable for one person to have ten coffees in one location. It did require that the receipts were realistic and I would estimate that many similar submissions were made by participating crew members and allowed to go forward unchecked to HMRC.
For a CSD, any increase in the percentage of allowances liable for tax could be considered to be taxed at the 40% rate as it is added to taxable pay and the individual rate for a full time CSD would be in the higher band.
Just a thought
Tax is currently paid on 35% of allowances.
CSD’s get 4 request trips per year and usually bid for premium payment trips ie HKG/SIN/BKK/NRT
The take home pay (net pay after deductions) ranges from £3300 to £4500+ depending on the rostered trips that month.
The cost of employment referred to in the CAA website would certainly have to include the Employers contribution to Pension and National Insurance.
As regards HMRC and the meal allowance audit. Some care was required in submissions to HMRC. If an individual receipt for four breakfasts on the same day was submitted., that would not be accepted by the eagled eyed inspectors and they would credit one. Similarly, it would not be reasonable for one person to have ten coffees in one location. It did require that the receipts were realistic and I would estimate that many similar submissions were made by participating crew members and allowed to go forward unchecked to HMRC.
For a CSD, any increase in the percentage of allowances liable for tax could be considered to be taxed at the 40% rate as it is added to taxable pay and the individual rate for a full time CSD would be in the higher band.
Just a thought
New Poster,
You said "What have I said that is anti-pilot????????"
Da Dog said "You could not make it up" .... and you followed up with "You could if you are a pilot."
Further on you had a stab at this "I hope you work out your fuel loads better!!!!"
So, in answer to your "Please provide your evidence or else apologise - personal attacks are not allowed on here", I say 'No'! Simples. This is a forum for debate, and if you consider that what I wrote is somehow a "personal attack", then you are incredibly 'sensitive', and in the wrong place!
PiB, you are so transparent it's laughable! Many thanks for the laugh!
You said "What have I said that is anti-pilot????????"
Da Dog said "You could not make it up" .... and you followed up with "You could if you are a pilot."
Further on you had a stab at this "I hope you work out your fuel loads better!!!!"
So, in answer to your "Please provide your evidence or else apologise - personal attacks are not allowed on here", I say 'No'! Simples. This is a forum for debate, and if you consider that what I wrote is somehow a "personal attack", then you are incredibly 'sensitive', and in the wrong place!
PiB, you are so transparent it's laughable! Many thanks for the laugh!
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The take home pay (net pay after deductions) ranges from £3300 to £4500+ depending on the rostered trips that month.
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I posted my comments because Da Dog blatantly twisted the quotes to read someting entirely different to suit his agenda - and he is a pilot
And as for BigBrutha and his fuel loads - well he was very quick to question my mathematics yet when he was proven wrong went very quiet - anything else you wish to add?
And as for BigBrutha and his fuel loads - well he was very quick to question my mathematics yet when he was proven wrong went very quiet - anything else you wish to add?
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I did say "FACTS"
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A CSD on the top pay point earns a basic salary of £43,283.00 gross.
I have just looked at the last 12 months pay cheques as a Longhaul CSD and it is, as stated, fact.
A CSD on the top pay point earns a basic salary of £43,283.00 gross.
I have just looked at the last 12 months pay cheques as a Longhaul CSD and it is, as stated, fact.
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Originally Posted by New Poster
Never in 20 odd years have I ever seen a monthly pay cheque in excess of £3400 - never never never - where are you getting your figures from?
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Guess we are looking at the same pay slips!
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I totally agree with your post. It is fact, pure and simple.
Out of idle curiousity I looked through a full time WW CSDs payslips for 12 months. 5 of those months had a take home pay in excess of £3400, with the highest just a touch over £4000.
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BigBrutha
So you dont agree that it is an additional 7% ?
Or have you got another figure?
I have shown you the workings that I believe are correct - can you show me your workings to prove your point - let's make this easy for you - use £1000 per month and £100 - so we can all see the correlation between your figures and the figures I posted on here
As for your G/F and her earnings I was in my first full year of 75% and earned £36,600 15 years as CSD
Or have you got another figure?
I have shown you the workings that I believe are correct - can you show me your workings to prove your point - let's make this easy for you - use £1000 per month and £100 - so we can all see the correlation between your figures and the figures I posted on here
As for your G/F and her earnings I was in my first full year of 75% and earned £36,600 15 years as CSD
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Where did I go wrong Dad?
On £1000 allowances:
35% is liable for taxation ie £350
and now 59% will be liable for taxation ie £590
Therefore £240 (£590 - £350) extra is now liable for taxation.
Assume a tax rate of 20% (it does not affect the figures)
20% Tax on £350 = £70
20% Tax on £590 = £118
Still assuming the arbitary 20% Tax Rate, increase in Tax = £48 (£118 - £70)
So 48/70*100 = 68.5% increase
35% is liable for taxation ie £350
and now 59% will be liable for taxation ie £590
Therefore £240 (£590 - £350) extra is now liable for taxation.
Assume a tax rate of 20% (it does not affect the figures)
20% Tax on £350 = £70
20% Tax on £590 = £118
Still assuming the arbitary 20% Tax Rate, increase in Tax = £48 (£118 - £70)
So 48/70*100 = 68.5% increase
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I posted my comments because Da Dog blatantly twisted the quotes to read someting entirely different to suit his agenda - and he is a pilot
And as for BigBrutha and his fuel loads - well he was very quick to question my mathematics yet when he was proven wrong went very quiet - anything else you wish to add?
I posted my comments because Da Dog blatantly twisted the quotes to read someting entirely different to suit his agenda - and he is a pilot
And as for BigBrutha and his fuel loads - well he was very quick to question my mathematics yet when he was proven wrong went very quiet - anything else you wish to add?
If you must continue to slag people off, have the kindness to do it by PM, and spare the rest of us.
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Currently:
35% taxable at say 20% tax and 11% NI
£350 x 31% = £108.50 tax and NI = allowances in your pay of £891.50
From 1st Feb:
59% taxable at say 20% tax and 11% NI
£590 x 31% = £182.90 tax and NI = allowances in your pay of £817.10
So in effect you will be worse off £75.40 per £1000 in meal allowances earned or £7.54 per £100
35% taxable at say 20% tax and 11% NI
£350 x 31% = £108.50 tax and NI = allowances in your pay of £891.50
From 1st Feb:
59% taxable at say 20% tax and 11% NI
£590 x 31% = £182.90 tax and NI = allowances in your pay of £817.10
So in effect you will be worse off £75.40 per £1000 in meal allowances earned or £7.54 per £100
If a lower rate tax payer pays an extra 7% (by NP's figures) then doubling the tax rate will double the tax payable. 7% becomes 14%.
Compare to a senior Captain, who by NP's pasted calculation will pay about 1.2% more tax.
Cabin crew - who would you want representing you at the next review in 2015?
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Miss M,
Seriously? Ok then. I am not against LHR. I've explained this to you before. The reason why we've expected this whole thing is because LGW is the blue print of the future of BA (as many see it). Not because I have anything against LHR. I've many friends at LHR and I am proud and happy to call them friends and I wouldn't want anything bad happening to them. The things happening at the moment at LHR is not classified (in my book at least) as bad things. Bad things would be loss of contract/pay cut/CR/massive cut of routes and so on.
Although I'm sure Carnage Matey is fully capable of standing up for himself, I don't believe he hates cc at all. He seems well informed to me, actually. Please remember that just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they hate you (or cc in this instance).
So, MissM, what do you think about the tax hike? Are you happy with the fact that bassa didn't/couldn't be bothered/wasn't able to negotiate with the tax people? Do you care that you'll be losing money because of this?
Gg
As an "outstander" you would really understand that this is a disgust from pilots and passengers towards cabin crew for wanting to protect their lifehoods. Let's cut the chase. Carnagey Matey is against cabin crew which is obvious from his posts and we all know that you are concerned about your pension. Glamgirl is against LHR as per her statement some months ago that they have been waiting for this since Singlefleet was introduced at LGW.
Can I ask, with the risk of being banned, why you hate cabin crew so much? This is what this thread is about, isn't it?
Can I ask, with the risk of being banned, why you hate cabin crew so much? This is what this thread is about, isn't it?
Seriously? Ok then. I am not against LHR. I've explained this to you before. The reason why we've expected this whole thing is because LGW is the blue print of the future of BA (as many see it). Not because I have anything against LHR. I've many friends at LHR and I am proud and happy to call them friends and I wouldn't want anything bad happening to them. The things happening at the moment at LHR is not classified (in my book at least) as bad things. Bad things would be loss of contract/pay cut/CR/massive cut of routes and so on.
Although I'm sure Carnage Matey is fully capable of standing up for himself, I don't believe he hates cc at all. He seems well informed to me, actually. Please remember that just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they hate you (or cc in this instance).
So, MissM, what do you think about the tax hike? Are you happy with the fact that bassa didn't/couldn't be bothered/wasn't able to negotiate with the tax people? Do you care that you'll be losing money because of this?
Gg
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New Poster - you said of the new tax deal 'it works out around 7% extra tax per month.'
Do you still think that? I am appalled by your maths if you do! In the example you so kindly provided you said:
350 at 31% = 108.50 in tax per month
590 at 31% = 182.90 in tax per month
How is this a 7% difference in extra tax a month? It looks like quite a bit more to me. ( for the record a 7% increase in tax in your example would be an extra 7.60 a month not an extra 74.40)
Think you may own a magic pencil!
That money will make a big difference to a lot of your colleagues. It is beyond patrionising to tell them to buy an abercrombie t-shirt a month less.
BASSA could and should have done a lot better for their hard working members. Shameful.
Do you still think that? I am appalled by your maths if you do! In the example you so kindly provided you said:
350 at 31% = 108.50 in tax per month
590 at 31% = 182.90 in tax per month
How is this a 7% difference in extra tax a month? It looks like quite a bit more to me. ( for the record a 7% increase in tax in your example would be an extra 7.60 a month not an extra 74.40)
Think you may own a magic pencil!
That money will make a big difference to a lot of your colleagues. It is beyond patrionising to tell them to buy an abercrombie t-shirt a month less.
BASSA could and should have done a lot better for their hard working members. Shameful.
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Slight error in the calcs £74.40 not £75.40
Midman
Old tax paid = £108.50
New tax paid = £182.90
Increase in tax paid = £74.40 (£182.90-£108.50)
Percentage increase in taxation= 74.40/108.50*100 = 68.57% increase in tax paid on allowances
A LH Cabin Crew Member will now pay 68.5% more tax on their meal allowances. Whatever figures you use the result is the same....68.5% increase in tax paid on meal allowances assuming that 59% of the allowances are now taxable.
Old tax paid = £108.50
New tax paid = £182.90
Increase in tax paid = £74.40 (£182.90-£108.50)
Percentage increase in taxation= 74.40/108.50*100 = 68.57% increase in tax paid on allowances
A LH Cabin Crew Member will now pay 68.5% more tax on their meal allowances. Whatever figures you use the result is the same....68.5% increase in tax paid on meal allowances assuming that 59% of the allowances are now taxable.
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