British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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New "rax tates" 
are an interesting addition - would that perhaps relate to financial benefits that have, to date, eluded HMRC?
ooops.
I thought we all declare our income, from all sources, including benefits?
Or had BASSA established a "relationship" with HMRC that previously circumvented some of that?
are an interesting addition - would that perhaps relate to financial benefits that have, to date, eluded HMRC? ooops.
I thought we all declare our income, from all sources, including benefits?
Or had BASSA established a "relationship" with HMRC that previously circumvented some of that?
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have BASSA been upfront and told you about it yet?
Otherwise I have the delightful In-Touch training this month so I can see if our BA managers have any knowledge!
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New "rax tates" 
are an interesting addition - would that perhaps relate to financial benefits that have, to date, eluded HMRC?
ooops.
are an interesting addition - would that perhaps relate to financial benefits that have, to date, eluded HMRC? ooops.
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Ottergirl,
Sorry, perhaps I should have made that clearer, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just CCrew (all of you, whether members of BASSA or not, have your T's and C's negotiated by them whether you like it or not, that's just how collective bargaining goes)
The new pilots rates are no secret, HMRC and BALPA have written to all the pilots. Our rate goes from 82% tax free, down to 79% tax free on our TAFB (Time away from base payment, our fixed hourly payment that we have instead of your meal allowances)
I think BALPA probably know the new rates for CCrew, but they are not telling the pilots, as I think there is about to be a backlash amongst the CCrew when they find out their new rates. I await with interest to see who BASSA try and blame. My money is on either HMRC being called corrupt, or HMRC accused of being in leagues with Walsh.
Perhaps if BASSA get around to telling the crew about the rates, someone could enlighten us all.
Cheers.
Sorry, perhaps I should have made that clearer, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just CCrew (all of you, whether members of BASSA or not, have your T's and C's negotiated by them whether you like it or not, that's just how collective bargaining goes)
The new pilots rates are no secret, HMRC and BALPA have written to all the pilots. Our rate goes from 82% tax free, down to 79% tax free on our TAFB (Time away from base payment, our fixed hourly payment that we have instead of your meal allowances)
I think BALPA probably know the new rates for CCrew, but they are not telling the pilots, as I think there is about to be a backlash amongst the CCrew when they find out their new rates. I await with interest to see who BASSA try and blame. My money is on either HMRC being called corrupt, or HMRC accused of being in leagues with Walsh.
Perhaps if BASSA get around to telling the crew about the rates, someone could enlighten us all.
Cheers.
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We have two different rates, one for Long-haul and one for Eurofleet. Can't remember what WW's is but I know what mine is on Short-haul. Do the pilots rates differentiate between the two types of flying or is there a one-fits-all approach to the new rate?
If HMRC wrote to you guys then maybe they'll do the same for us. As a Eurofleet CSD, allowances are not a particular feature on my payslip at the moment, so it may be a while before I even notice. The tax on 'not much' is likely to be 'not much'!
If HMRC wrote to you guys then maybe they'll do the same for us. As a Eurofleet CSD, allowances are not a particular feature on my payslip at the moment, so it may be a while before I even notice. The tax on 'not much' is likely to be 'not much'!
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FlexSRS has a point. Whose fault will it be this time in the global conspiracy against BASSA?
Surely the leadership of BASSA will implode soon in an event of cult-concluding proportions?
Most cults seem to end with the arrest of the ringleaders after the membership have been brainwashed and then coerced to self-destruct in some way. Can anyone see any similarities unfolding here?
Surely the leadership of BASSA will implode soon in an event of cult-concluding proportions?
Most cults seem to end with the arrest of the ringleaders after the membership have been brainwashed and then coerced to self-destruct in some way. Can anyone see any similarities unfolding here?
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No problems, Ottergirl
But - Oh, goody - a new subject called "taxation of benefits in kind". Wish I had some!!
Perhaps this deserves a new thread, unless IA is linked to this?
But - Oh, goody - a new subject called "taxation of benefits in kind". Wish I had some!!
Perhaps this deserves a new thread, unless IA is linked to this?
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Ottergirl,
I think you will also find that the chain of command refers to those working on board the aircraft, as the post alluded to. Another person working onboard the aircraft taking the 'management' role aspects off of the CSD.
Whilst the aircraft is dispatched from base the Captain IS the onboard manager responsible for the crew.
I think you will also find that the chain of command refers to those working on board the aircraft, as the post alluded to. Another person working onboard the aircraft taking the 'management' role aspects off of the CSD.
Whilst the aircraft is dispatched from base the Captain IS the onboard manager responsible for the crew.
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That is surely so but I have yet to see an FO or even Senior FO 'manage' any of the Cabin crew! I'll look forward to it now that we've had this discussion though!
On Eurofleet we are sadly often cut adrift down-route with no-one to manage us and we cope splendidly.
What we are quibbling about here is the difference between performance management (people) and shall we call it operational management (situations). There may be some who are the exception to this but I have yet to have my performance managed by a Captain although they will give feedback if solicited (sometimes reluctantly); I rely absolutely on their management skills when it all goes Pete Tong as it has frequently in the last couple of weeks. Yesterdays Captain was 'awesome'!
That is surely so but I have yet to see an FO or even Senior FO 'manage' any of the Cabin crew! I'll look forward to it now that we've had this discussion though!
On Eurofleet we are sadly often cut adrift down-route with no-one to manage us and we cope splendidly. What we are quibbling about here is the difference between performance management (people) and shall we call it operational management (situations). There may be some who are the exception to this but I have yet to have my performance managed by a Captain although they will give feedback if solicited (sometimes reluctantly); I rely absolutely on their management skills when it all goes Pete Tong as it has frequently in the last couple of weeks. Yesterdays Captain was 'awesome'!
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Pension thread from CF and the Daily Mail
BA 'unable to close final salary scheme due to a little known pact, called the 1948 Redeployment Agreement, goes a long way towards explaining why BA hasn't already shut its retirement savings scheme to existing members'.
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We have two different rates, one for Long-haul and one for Eurofleet. Can't remember what WW's is but I know what mine is on Short-haul. Do the pilots rates differentiate between the two types of flying or is there a one-fits-all approach to the new rate?
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Slight deviation from thread but what do you all think of this? Is it likely to be true? Off-line for a bit, back later..
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That is surely so but I have yet to see an FO or even Senior FO 'manage' any of the Cabin crew!
Be careful what you wish for, there are an awful lot of very, very experienced ex-military or 'previous employment' Captains in the right hand seat of many a BA jet! Not every FO is a 20 something 'wet behind the ears'.
Ironically being 'cut loose' tends to mean, 'I'm tired, I'm going to bed' downroute on SH. As to performance management that is exactly why the CC should be brought directly under the banner of flight operations and thus the russian roulette of 'what scheme are we working today' goes out of the window and if the Captain decides its legal and safe, it goes.
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I m told that BASSA already know the result of the HMRC audit results and the subsequent negotiations yet they don't disseminate amongst their members.
Why is that? Answers on a post card BASSA members.
Why is that? Answers on a post card BASSA members.
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You have way to much trust, in my experience the Army/Navy/air farce could not lead a camel to water even if they were standing in an oasis.
To claim otherwise is a folly..........now back to BASSA V BA thank you
To claim otherwise is a folly..........now back to BASSA V BA thank you
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Blimey, you're a cheerful soul. They could of course, thrash this out around the table, find a way for both sides to make a concession without losing face and then we all stroll off into the sunset and save JAL instead!
You've always struck me as one of the more articulate posters on here. Could I ask you if that was a flippant comment, or if you understand why the future of JAL is actually quite important to BA and its partners?
In my experience, "losing face" is such a puerile third world concept.
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A cartoon in the February 2010 issue of "The Oldie" depicts a group of seated passengers, with the caption "Ladies and gentlemen, we are starting our descent into bankruptcy".