British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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The latest from unite
Note the use of the word "S***"
UNITE NEWS RELEASE UNITE NEWS RELEASE UNITE NEWS RELEASE
For immediate release, Monday, January 18th, 2010
Unite denounces BA for seeking "s***" crew to run the "world's favourite
airline"
British Airways' management has today (Monday) written to all BA staff
asking for "volunteers" to crew the aircraft should the cabin crew be
forced to take industrial action.
Unite, the union fighting to save cabin crews' terms and conditions,
attacked the move as "provocative" and said BA was seeking to use "s***"
labour.
It appealed to the airline to put its energies into resolving the dispute
through negotiation.
Tony Woodley, Unite joint general secretary, said: "This is a provocative
attempt by BA to disrupt negotiations. It is inconceivable that BA should
even be thinking of running its airline - the national carrier - with s***
labour who have had only minimum training. This shows contempt for
professionalism of cabin crew.
"BA management must stop the posturing and get back to negotiating table
because only through agreement with its own employees can BA keep on
flying."
Unite says that experienced, fully trained cabin crew are integral to the
safety and comfort of passengers.
Unite today announced that the ballot for industrial action over a dispute
on imposed changes to working conditions will open on January 25th and
close on February 22nd, 2010.
ENDS
For immediate release, Monday, January 18th, 2010
Unite denounces BA for seeking "s***" crew to run the "world's favourite
airline"
British Airways' management has today (Monday) written to all BA staff
asking for "volunteers" to crew the aircraft should the cabin crew be
forced to take industrial action.
Unite, the union fighting to save cabin crews' terms and conditions,
attacked the move as "provocative" and said BA was seeking to use "s***"
labour.
It appealed to the airline to put its energies into resolving the dispute
through negotiation.
Tony Woodley, Unite joint general secretary, said: "This is a provocative
attempt by BA to disrupt negotiations. It is inconceivable that BA should
even be thinking of running its airline - the national carrier - with s***
labour who have had only minimum training. This shows contempt for
professionalism of cabin crew.
"BA management must stop the posturing and get back to negotiating table
because only through agreement with its own employees can BA keep on
flying."
Unite says that experienced, fully trained cabin crew are integral to the
safety and comfort of passengers.
Unite today announced that the ballot for industrial action over a dispute
on imposed changes to working conditions will open on January 25th and
close on February 22nd, 2010.
ENDS
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You said that you would rather have your safety looked after by a part-time pilot than some of the militant CC which you had seen on here. What exactly did you mean by that? I would interpret that as you thought we don't know what we are doing just because we are militant.
Speak to Glamgirl about this. That's exactly what some of them at LGW are doing.
2. I'm missing where the 'militant CC are jeopardising safety'. Of course they are not. They are just screwing up customers travel plans, driving them away from BA, and actually doing the Company nothing but damage. Period.
4. If the "Dubliner" is so wonderful, why don't you work for him on lower wages, and at the same time fly me from UK to USA?
I'm guessing CC wouldn't need more than Basic Disclosure if there weren't children or UM's on board. Wouldn't be too difficult for BA to rebook the relevent families and UM's .
I also note the use of the word "s***" in the Unite press release. This really is the deathrows of NuLabour isn't it. I wonder what the historians will make of the last few years of NuLabour rule.
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I also note the use of the word "s***" in the Unite press release. This really is the deathrows of NuLabour isn't it. I wonder what the historians will make of the last few years of NuLabour rule.
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Originally Posted by MissM
This is nothing but a PR trick from WW to turn everyone against us and show that everyone else in BA are the good guys and BA cabin crew are the bad guys. It's nothing more complicated than that.
MissM, this may be news to you but because of Bassa, we are the bad guys.
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His actions and strategy worked in the short term however he left the business with a strategy that simply could not be sustained - hence the mess they are in now.
With BA Walsh has started that self same strategy - I quote what he said at the time in EI "We are committed to getting our customers to their destinations as cheaply, simply and efficiently as possible. To achieve this we must continue to drive excess cost out of the business. Making healthy profits based on this business model means continuing to drive greater efficiency and an unrelenting focus on cost reduction. This we are committed to doing."
He sold off, shuttered or outsourced anything that was non-core (cargo, maintenance etc) and fired hundreds of staff. He cut fares and drove the internet sales channel. On the route network, he turned his back on internal flights in Ireland and scaled back the commitment to London and provincial UK to find the aircraft that would serve new routes from Dublin and Cork to all over Europe.
Though Walsh delivered on the low fares part, reducing the overhead was still a work in progress when he quit for British Airways and left EI totally in the mire.
With BA Walsh has started that self same strategy - I quote what he said at the time in EI "We are committed to getting our customers to their destinations as cheaply, simply and efficiently as possible. To achieve this we must continue to drive excess cost out of the business. Making healthy profits based on this business model means continuing to drive greater efficiency and an unrelenting focus on cost reduction. This we are committed to doing."
He sold off, shuttered or outsourced anything that was non-core (cargo, maintenance etc) and fired hundreds of staff. He cut fares and drove the internet sales channel. On the route network, he turned his back on internal flights in Ireland and scaled back the commitment to London and provincial UK to find the aircraft that would serve new routes from Dublin and Cork to all over Europe.
Though Walsh delivered on the low fares part, reducing the overhead was still a work in progress when he quit for British Airways and left EI totally in the mire.
Willy gets an 8.5 /10 from me...
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A word to the wise....
Scab is a word that we do not allow here on PPRuNe. I appreciate that it has been used (allegedly) by BASSA as shown above: This doesn't mean that it is acceptable here for general use.
Please don't be tempted to use the word 'Scab' in any of your posts.
Be advised that this is not a point for discussion.
Scab is a word that we do not allow here on PPRuNe. I appreciate that it has been used (allegedly) by BASSA as shown above: This doesn't mean that it is acceptable here for general use.
Please don't be tempted to use the word 'Scab' in any of your posts.
Be advised that this is not a point for discussion.
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There are agencies around the world that provide Cabin Crew. I travelled on a trip to Tenerife once with a complete "agency" crew, so perhaps BA can get one of the agencies to provide cover for their aircraft.
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@ MissM ... you are both brave and determined.
Don't be silly. I didn't say anything like that. Please read what I said.
It's called market forces, it's what the customers/passengers/SLF do.
Originally Posted by Two-Tone-Blue
2. I'm missing where the 'militant CC are jeopardising safety'. Of course they are not. They are just screwing up customers travel plans, driving them away from BA, and actually doing the Company nothing but damage. Period.
Originally Posted by MissM
You said that you would rather have your safety looked after by a part-time pilot than some of the militant CC which you had seen on here. What exactly did you mean by that? I would interpret that as you thought we don't know what we are doing just because we are militant.
Originally Posted by TTB
4. If the "Dubliner" is so wonderful, why don't you work for him on lower wages, and at the same time fly me from UK to USA?
Originally Posted by MissM
Speak to Glamgirl about this. That's exactly what some of them at LGW are doing.
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It's degrading when WW all of the suddens ask the entire airline to volunteer for our positions when you think about what we need to go through before we actually get to fly. It's a competitive market with an extensive recruitment process and intensive training. Maybe it's a piece of cake for some to get through training and definitely somebody will laugh at this comment. But, frankly I can't be bothered.
WW definitely knows how to get the largest workforce in the company on his side.
It's degrading when WW all of the suddens ask the entire airline to volunteer for our positions when you think about what we need to go through before we actually get to fly. It's a competitive market with an extensive recruitment process and intensive training. Maybe it's a piece of cake for some to get through training and definitely somebody will laugh at this comment. But, frankly I can't be bothered.
WW definitely knows how to get the largest workforce in the company on his side.
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MissM,
Don't be mistaken. WW isn't trying to replace you with these volunteers, they are not going to be the new face of BA. All they need to do is to sandbag a few jumpseats, open some doors, and give out some sandwiches, if they even bother to provide them.
They will only be needed for a few days before the strike collapses
Don't be mistaken. WW isn't trying to replace you with these volunteers, they are not going to be the new face of BA. All they need to do is to sandbag a few jumpseats, open some doors, and give out some sandwiches, if they even bother to provide them.
They will only be needed for a few days before the strike collapses
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PR Advice
Having worked in corporate communications for a major U.S. airline and having gone through a flight attendants strike, I must say that BASSA/UNITE are digging themselves a very big hole in terms of public relations.
"Unite denounces BA for seeking "XXXX" crew to run the "world's favourite airline"
Not only are they furthering a negative image with the travelling public but they are now attacking fellow BA employees using emotive terms that cannot but hinder their cause.
The phrasing harkens back to the old socialist days of labor unions - when winning the battle was more important than winning the war. A similiar situation happened in the U.S. when the pilots of Eastern Airlines struck and the airline went out of business. The reaction of many of the now out of work pilots was that "we showed them."
Having said all that, let me offer a bit of free public relations advice. In the PR game, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, the best thing you can do is stop digging.
TrakBall
"Unite denounces BA for seeking "XXXX" crew to run the "world's favourite airline"
Not only are they furthering a negative image with the travelling public but they are now attacking fellow BA employees using emotive terms that cannot but hinder their cause.
The phrasing harkens back to the old socialist days of labor unions - when winning the battle was more important than winning the war. A similiar situation happened in the U.S. when the pilots of Eastern Airlines struck and the airline went out of business. The reaction of many of the now out of work pilots was that "we showed them."
Having said all that, let me offer a bit of free public relations advice. In the PR game, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, the best thing you can do is stop digging.
TrakBall
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Not being silly. You didn't say it out loud but that's exactly what you said between your lines.
Did you forget to read what Glamgirl wrote about her salary some pages ago? It will be even harder to manage now with our tax raise placed on us. This is what they are dealing with at LGW even though it appears to be a successful operation since a few years back.
Not being silly. You didn't say it out loud but that's exactly what you said between your lines.
Did you forget to read what Glamgirl wrote about her salary some pages ago? It will be even harder to manage now with our tax raise placed on us. This is what they are dealing with at LGW even though it appears to be a successful operation since a few years back.
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This is nothing but a PR trick from WW to turn everyone against us and show that everyone else in BA are the good guys and BA cabin crew are the bad guys. It's nothing more complicated than that.
Do you reallythink that BASSA need any help from WW to be seen by all other BA employees, the media and the general (not to mention travelling) public as "bad guys"?
Its a competitive market
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To be eligible to join Cabin Crew, you will need:
To be aged between 18 and 62 at the time of application
To be a minimum of 5ft 2in and a maximum height of 6ft 1in in height, with weight in proportion, such that the ability to perform all job functions is not hindered. In addition to this candidates must have a vertical functional reach of at least 6' 7". **
To be physically fit
GCSE or equivalent in English and Maths
The right to live and work within the EU
Previous customer service experience
A valid E.U. passport allowing unrestricted worldwide travel
To live within 45 minutes of the airport at which you are based (usually Heathrow or Gatwick).
Are prepared to conform to all British Airways Uniform Standards, and have no normally visible tattoos or body piercings.
** Vertical functional reach equates to the measurement of a candidate's height between their feet fully flat against the floor and the knuckles of their fully extended dominant arm.
To be aged between 18 and 62 at the time of application
To be a minimum of 5ft 2in and a maximum height of 6ft 1in in height, with weight in proportion, such that the ability to perform all job functions is not hindered. In addition to this candidates must have a vertical functional reach of at least 6' 7". **
To be physically fit
GCSE or equivalent in English and Maths
The right to live and work within the EU
Previous customer service experience
A valid E.U. passport allowing unrestricted worldwide travel
To live within 45 minutes of the airport at which you are based (usually Heathrow or Gatwick).
Are prepared to conform to all British Airways Uniform Standards, and have no normally visible tattoos or body piercings.
** Vertical functional reach equates to the measurement of a candidate's height between their feet fully flat against the floor and the knuckles of their fully extended dominant arm.