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Well Re-Heat you pose the question 'why would anyone buy shares in BA'? Anyone that does should have their eyes wide open.
Well I have, bought 5,000 of them three months ago and I am just poised to sell. I think they have a little bit more to go before they drop again. Shareholders do not need dividends with a share like BA which is up and down as regular as clockwork, or another expression I could use which would be Mod'd off.
Personally I do not give a toss about shareholders. They take a gamble and speculate an investment in a share like BA. It is not for them to pressure the workforce to take pay cuts just to enhance their 'bet'. I am all for capitalism, but there is a tendency in the UK that profits are privatised, but debt is socialised.
A big PLC like BA is able to warp the books to look anyway they like. BA is being run like ENRON in reverse at the moment. The Chairman and CEO should resign, because even the markets don't believe them!
Well I have, bought 5,000 of them three months ago and I am just poised to sell. I think they have a little bit more to go before they drop again. Shareholders do not need dividends with a share like BA which is up and down as regular as clockwork, or another expression I could use which would be Mod'd off.
Personally I do not give a toss about shareholders. They take a gamble and speculate an investment in a share like BA. It is not for them to pressure the workforce to take pay cuts just to enhance their 'bet'. I am all for capitalism, but there is a tendency in the UK that profits are privatised, but debt is socialised.
A big PLC like BA is able to warp the books to look anyway they like. BA is being run like ENRON in reverse at the moment. The Chairman and CEO should resign, because even the markets don't believe them!
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Direct question.
How many of the crew who are hoping for part-time (in it's various forms) or compulsory redundancy do you think will back BASSA in a strike vote? Let's go for a percentage.
Please bear in mind that the offers they receive from BA are all dependant on the the business efficiency targets being met.
* Genuinely looking forward to the reply from a BASSA rep. (For those who don't know, our reps don't answer questions on the Bassa forum, it's purely there for crew to post and meet).
Direct question.
How many of the crew who are hoping for part-time (in it's various forms) or compulsory redundancy do you think will back BASSA in a strike vote? Let's go for a percentage.
Please bear in mind that the offers they receive from BA are all dependant on the the business efficiency targets being met.
* Genuinely looking forward to the reply from a BASSA rep. (For those who don't know, our reps don't answer questions on the Bassa forum, it's purely there for crew to post and meet).
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Nutjob. How can you give a direct answer to a hypothetical question?
I am not a BASSA rep and have no contact at all with anyone at BASSA. I am just one of the 11,000 or more who will go on strike if changes to contracts are imposed.
Willie Walsh is acting like a mill owner threatening employees with arbitrary change combined with an artificial deadline. The modern way to effect change is via negotiation.
I am not a BASSA rep and have no contact at all with anyone at BASSA. I am just one of the 11,000 or more who will go on strike if changes to contracts are imposed.
Willie Walsh is acting like a mill owner threatening employees with arbitrary change combined with an artificial deadline. The modern way to effect change is via negotiation.
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PiB, hope you're enjoying the new caravan! Will you come on here and eat humble pie when the vast majority of your colleagues quietly sign and return their new contracts?
Seriously, I hope that those who would contemplate going out on strike (if one were called) are aware of the consequences of doing so.
Seriously, I hope that those who would contemplate going out on strike (if one were called) are aware of the consequences of doing so.
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Ok, what I was getting at is that there will be this group of people who, imho, will have little motivation to join you in your battle. They have a vested interest in a settlement being reached. Their personal gains in the part-time/redundancy score will outweigh their reasons to fight BA.
All I'm saying is that I think you can count on losing the backing of thousands of crew because of this. BA boxing clever?
Sure you guys have considered that though. Which is why I thought you might have put your mind to the numbers involved. Pretty integral to the fight ahead.
You know my position and it isn't one of support for the way you've handled things. I also notice that the voices of dissent are growing over there on the BASSA forum.
Ok, what I was getting at is that there will be this group of people who, imho, will have little motivation to join you in your battle. They have a vested interest in a settlement being reached. Their personal gains in the part-time/redundancy score will outweigh their reasons to fight BA.
All I'm saying is that I think you can count on losing the backing of thousands of crew because of this. BA boxing clever?
Sure you guys have considered that though. Which is why I thought you might have put your mind to the numbers involved. Pretty integral to the fight ahead.
You know my position and it isn't one of support for the way you've handled things. I also notice that the voices of dissent are growing over there on the BASSA forum.
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Thank you flying chick for taking the debate further once again.
Can I suggest you return to crewforum. I'm suprised you didnt just reply with - PiB
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If you mean that Unite have buckled to pressure from their largest branch and led some more BA employees down the failiure to agree path, then its not exactly a secret. It makes no difference to the facts presented above that a) BASSA cannot yet ballot and b) BA are very sure of their legal standing re SOSR.
Can I suggest you return to crewforum. I'm suprised you didnt just reply with - PiB
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Great news today you know what I am talking about.
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Great news today. 
I like it here though so I won't go thank you. I like you all. A bunch of lovely people, such a nice community. 
I actually am learning alot here too. So don't you dare suggest where I should or should not go in this democratic society. I am doing no wrong or calling anyone names just backing my union 100%
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I like it here though so I won't go thank you. I like you all. A bunch of lovely people, such a nice community. I actually am learning alot here too. So don't you dare suggest where I should or should not go in this democratic society. I am doing no wrong or calling anyone names just backing my union 100%BASSA
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Your empty posts are an excellent metaphor.
They are short of crew because it's a sunny weekend in the school holidays and you've all pulled a sicky again. I'd be watching those sickness days if I were you. Wonder what criteria they'll use for the CR.
They are short of crew because it's a sunny weekend in the school holidays and you've all pulled a sicky again. I'd be watching those sickness days if I were you. Wonder what criteria they'll use for the CR.
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I am doing no wrong or calling anyone names just backing my union 100%
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Compulsory redundancies ??? I very much doubt it,BA are short of crew and requesting willing to work from crew on days off.
Added to the strength of the crews cause,is todays failure to agree between BA and the A scale groundstaff.Not only are the cabin crew refusing to accept permanent change,neither are the groundstaff.
Combined with increase in passenger figures for July,year on year and this standoff becomes a lot less simple to predict the outcome.
Added to the strength of the crews cause,is todays failure to agree between BA and the A scale groundstaff.Not only are the cabin crew refusing to accept permanent change,neither are the groundstaff.
Combined with increase in passenger figures for July,year on year and this standoff becomes a lot less simple to predict the outcome.
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They won't be short of the crew when the rest of Bill Francis' proposals are introduced. 3 crew on an A319, CSD working the service, 16th crew member off routes, variable crewing. We both know that'll free up 2000 heads. Issue the new contracts on Sept 1st along with 2000 CRs and see who blinks first.
The ground staff failure to agree doesn't help your cause much. You can't strike in support of each other (it's illegal secondary action). If either group strikes BA will cancel flights just like last time, so having two groups on strike simultaneously doesn't increase the effect. And this is assuming Tony Woodley doesn't pull the plug on any strike ballot. Which he almost certainly will.
PS Don't forget a large proportion of the A scalers are actually Waterworld staff. Do you think they'll be missed if they don't pitch up at work for a couple of days?
The ground staff failure to agree doesn't help your cause much. You can't strike in support of each other (it's illegal secondary action). If either group strikes BA will cancel flights just like last time, so having two groups on strike simultaneously doesn't increase the effect. And this is assuming Tony Woodley doesn't pull the plug on any strike ballot. Which he almost certainly will.
PS Don't forget a large proportion of the A scalers are actually Waterworld staff. Do you think they'll be missed if they don't pitch up at work for a couple of days?
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Again that may or may not happen. You cannot impose that is why we have a union. Plus, I am waitin for BASSA to imform us further. I am sure they are working hard but unlike BA they are adhering to all the rules during the cooling off period which only ended Friday. I have heard it all before with dates etc so many times. Come September the 1st I will tell you what will happen, I have a magic ball in front of me and it tells me everthing. Nothing will happen .
We will negotiate and some things we will just have accept but BA won't get everything.
Plus, I am waitin for BASSA to imform us further. I am sure they are working hard but unlike BA they are adhering to all the rules during the cooling off period which only ended Friday. I have heard it all before with dates etc so many times. Come September the 1st I will tell you what will happen, I have a magic ball in front of me and it tells me everthing. Nothing will happen . We will negotiate and some things we will just have accept but BA won't get everything.
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You cannot impose that is why we have a union
Click here
They've got a union too.
