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Fume Event,
If I might use your favourite mantra: The position of your union leadership is untenable. They have failed and they must resign.
Somehow I can't see BASSA being a stakeholder in TopCo.
And that's no loss at all.
If I might use your favourite mantra: The position of your union leadership is untenable. They have failed and they must resign.
Somehow I can't see BASSA being a stakeholder in TopCo.
And that's no loss at all.
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FumeEvent,
If you hate BA so much, and you are so sure that there is infact no recession and all our problems are due to "poor management", why did you not take the VR and leave? It was a golden opportunity for someone like you.
The only thing on a fast-track to meltdown is the Union. Crew don't want to strike. They want to negotiate. Unite should knock on BA's door and say "we want to talk." That is their only chance to gain any respect back from their increasingly frustrated members who will voice their frustration through voting NO.
If you hate BA so much, and you are so sure that there is infact no recession and all our problems are due to "poor management", why did you not take the VR and leave? It was a golden opportunity for someone like you.
The only thing on a fast-track to meltdown is the Union. Crew don't want to strike. They want to negotiate. Unite should knock on BA's door and say "we want to talk." That is their only chance to gain any respect back from their increasingly frustrated members who will voice their frustration through voting NO.
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I guess all those crew who genuinely believe that Walsh will be gone by Xmas are going to be mightily disappointed!!!
Best get a new job then. Have you seen what our American competitors are serving in business class?
Judging by the crew I flew with yesterday it certainly won't be the 'Yes' vote you crave.
It's only cabin service, it's not rocket science! The good crew will get on with it, the bad crew will get on with being performance managed. It's about team we weeded out the less capable ones.
The cutbacks in the product are so bad that it is embarrassing for the crew to serve. It has gone too far.
On the 14th December BA's cabin crew will give their verdict on what they think of Willie Walsh.
For the extensive changes being implemented on the 16th, all the cabin crew community have received are a few OM notices and a Cabin Crew News. They will not know what they are doing.
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BA Cabin Crew are NOT stupid...
Guys,
Congrats for joining an ever increasing number of intelligent Cabin Crew who have broken free from the spin of other forums and who have decided that you cannot make up your mind by listening to JUST BASSA or JUST BA - the decision you make needs to be adequately informed from ALL the INFO; so much is at stake, and I guess many of you have realised that the old 'squeeze hard enough' routine will not work this time.
It seems clear from many reasoned and inquisitive CC posts here that BASSA have SERIOUSLY underestimated BA cabin crew, as is evidenced by those who dare to step outside the BASSA forum and find themselves afforded the RIGHT to freedom of information and to make up their OWN minds. No complex discussion is EVER black and white, and the result is never 100% (unless it's a stick up, at a race course). The beauty of having as much info as possible before making a life-changing decision is that you have allowed yourself the best opportunity to see things from both sides and make an informed, intelligent choice.
Is the Union really as bullying as is made out? Are you able to freely ask questions about the direction that the top few, highest paid/best contract CC want to take the entire workforce, and are you able to ask those questions without fear of pay-back for trying to turn an undemocratic dictatorial union line into a sensible discussion?
Fume Event, you seem very resistant to new information, so please can I ask you to ask some questions of your union, on behalf of the many many cabin crew members who are clearly frightened of the abusive repercussions if they were to ask the questions themselves? I do look forward to the reply, although I must say I'll not hold my breath....so far in 160 pages we've not heard ANY justification for the BASSA position in general, and also no answers to the very simple, direct questions that have been asked of them on here.
-Please ask your union on what authority they feel they can risk your livelihoods and (yes, perhaps more importantly) those of ALL other BA employees, considering they told BA to 'talk to the hand' when offered to see the confidential (independently audited) Company Accounts & Balances, refused to negotiate and buried it's head in the sand?
Surely ALL figures BASSA spout must now be considered false (or at best inaccurate) once it emerged that the union doesn't need/want to hear the facts or analyse any data/information when deciding to, once again, throw it's paying members into an unwinable job-threatening strike....AND YES WE HAVE NOW ESTABLISHED THAT YOU CAN BE SACKED EVEN IF THE STRIKE IS LEGAL...- this is common knowledge, check the internet...
-If Unite cut BASSA loose, and you get sacked, ask Unite whether they can be held legally responsible for lying about getting fired, because you won't be able to sue BASSA for deliberate misinformation after BA claim obvious damages.
-Did the Union think that refusing to talk about/acknowledge this global aviation crisis would make it go away?!
-...or did they assume their members were so stupid/scared as to not ask for FACTS and blindly follow the self-serving union reps into battle? (Sorry, obviously not FOLLOW, I think we all know that the BASSA reps will not be LEADING you into battle, they'll have time off booked but will be right behind you, in fact some miles behind you….at home, watch it happen....like last time.)
-How was it in the 'best interest of the members' to not turn up to some meetings with the BA management, to turn up late and leave early at others, to storm out of one meeting (WITH ACAS PRESENT!) childishly refusing to watch the BA presentation, refusing to attend meetings with Amicus present etc etc etc....How well do you think you represented the British Airways Cabin Crew community in your professional capacity as Industrial Relations Representative in these instances?
-When will BASSA focus on facts and not just emotions? When will they look at the financial side of this financially-motivated 'dispute' and review the confidential BA accounts?
-Why has the Union NOT yet consulted its members to ask their opinions?
-Why has the Union NOT educated its members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it? Yes, that is the perfectly legal route open to BA to tear up your contracts (or mine) and write new ones….if I sign I'm deemed to have 'agreed', if not I'm deemed to have resigned, so no redundancy payment. This is open to BA, and this IS imposition, yet BA STILL haven't done it, preferring to continue to offer negotiation…..nah, let's strike
-Why has the Union offered a PAYCUT when neither the Cabin Crew NOR British Airways asked or supported it?!?!
-Why has the Union NOT told its members that its 'very generous offer' that it made during 'negotiations' and claimed was worth £140million, (yet for some reason now is claiming is worth £175MILLION(?!)) was rejected by BA because it was INDEPENDENTLY analysed by PRICE WATERHOUSE COOPERS to be worth AT ABSOLUTE MOST, just £54million?!
-What consulting did the Union do to find out from its members where they democratically thought that £54mil (even though woefully short of target) should come from? Did they just offer up terms and conditions AND a paycut without asking a by-your-leave?! Surely not?! "Take it from the Regional BA Cabin Crew, take it from Gatwick Cabin Crew, take it from new joiners, new contract, new fleet, JUST DON'T TAKE IT FROM US AT THE TOP!
The MAJORITY will speak, I just hope that they have looked at both sides of the discussion and not just voted for what they were told to vote for; this is the reason that children cannot vote. It's just such a shame that BASSA's aggressive, non-inclusive stance shows it STILL views Industrial Action as taking candy from a baby.
PLEASE PROVE THEM WRONG.....I'll let you stay up late
p.s. Fume Event, if you want any credibility as a sensible poster and not just a BASSA stooge, please do ask those questions on the BASSA forum. I feel sure that if your views here reflect your views over there no-one will try to punish you or threaten physical violence in the carpark, just post it as an 'example' of what's being discussed on the PPRuNe forum. I'm sure someone will post a copy of it back here to verify when you've done it.
p.p.s. for ease:
"Why have BASSA....
-refused to look at the BA financial books
-denied the recession
-not consulted the electorate on proposed changes
-not admitted the need for change
-refused to negotiate with the company
-disseminated clearly false information to its members
-not informed the members about the share option that the company offered to the Cabin Crew
-negligently allowed crew to believe they will STILL get paid in a strike
-GROSSLY negligently assured them they CANNOT get fired during a strike
-not educated the members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members (i.e. all CSDs if they like) a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it. Look it up. The only reason it hasn't is because it hasn't been provoked enough yet to justify such draconian measures...something tells me the ogre is starting to get riled (court, strike etc)
-lied to the members about the pilot's paydeal, pilots VR party, WW trying to position BA as a lowcost carrier (?!) etc, etc,
-withheld clearly true/valid information that would allow crew to formulate a rounded and well-informed opinion on matters
-offered a PAYCUT that was not voted for or wanted by cabin crew (or BA!)
etc,etc, I mean, how they expect not to be sued by the members for gross misconduct I don't know. I'm sorry to go on but the list does.....go on...and on....and on"
GOOD LUCK BA CABIN CREW- SAVE OUR COMPANY!!!
Congrats for joining an ever increasing number of intelligent Cabin Crew who have broken free from the spin of other forums and who have decided that you cannot make up your mind by listening to JUST BASSA or JUST BA - the decision you make needs to be adequately informed from ALL the INFO; so much is at stake, and I guess many of you have realised that the old 'squeeze hard enough' routine will not work this time.
It seems clear from many reasoned and inquisitive CC posts here that BASSA have SERIOUSLY underestimated BA cabin crew, as is evidenced by those who dare to step outside the BASSA forum and find themselves afforded the RIGHT to freedom of information and to make up their OWN minds. No complex discussion is EVER black and white, and the result is never 100% (unless it's a stick up, at a race course). The beauty of having as much info as possible before making a life-changing decision is that you have allowed yourself the best opportunity to see things from both sides and make an informed, intelligent choice.
Is the Union really as bullying as is made out? Are you able to freely ask questions about the direction that the top few, highest paid/best contract CC want to take the entire workforce, and are you able to ask those questions without fear of pay-back for trying to turn an undemocratic dictatorial union line into a sensible discussion?
Fume Event, you seem very resistant to new information, so please can I ask you to ask some questions of your union, on behalf of the many many cabin crew members who are clearly frightened of the abusive repercussions if they were to ask the questions themselves? I do look forward to the reply, although I must say I'll not hold my breath....so far in 160 pages we've not heard ANY justification for the BASSA position in general, and also no answers to the very simple, direct questions that have been asked of them on here.
-Please ask your union on what authority they feel they can risk your livelihoods and (yes, perhaps more importantly) those of ALL other BA employees, considering they told BA to 'talk to the hand' when offered to see the confidential (independently audited) Company Accounts & Balances, refused to negotiate and buried it's head in the sand?
Surely ALL figures BASSA spout must now be considered false (or at best inaccurate) once it emerged that the union doesn't need/want to hear the facts or analyse any data/information when deciding to, once again, throw it's paying members into an unwinable job-threatening strike....AND YES WE HAVE NOW ESTABLISHED THAT YOU CAN BE SACKED EVEN IF THE STRIKE IS LEGAL...- this is common knowledge, check the internet...
-If Unite cut BASSA loose, and you get sacked, ask Unite whether they can be held legally responsible for lying about getting fired, because you won't be able to sue BASSA for deliberate misinformation after BA claim obvious damages.
-Did the Union think that refusing to talk about/acknowledge this global aviation crisis would make it go away?!
-...or did they assume their members were so stupid/scared as to not ask for FACTS and blindly follow the self-serving union reps into battle? (Sorry, obviously not FOLLOW, I think we all know that the BASSA reps will not be LEADING you into battle, they'll have time off booked but will be right behind you, in fact some miles behind you….at home, watch it happen....like last time.)
-How was it in the 'best interest of the members' to not turn up to some meetings with the BA management, to turn up late and leave early at others, to storm out of one meeting (WITH ACAS PRESENT!) childishly refusing to watch the BA presentation, refusing to attend meetings with Amicus present etc etc etc....How well do you think you represented the British Airways Cabin Crew community in your professional capacity as Industrial Relations Representative in these instances?
-When will BASSA focus on facts and not just emotions? When will they look at the financial side of this financially-motivated 'dispute' and review the confidential BA accounts?
-Why has the Union NOT yet consulted its members to ask their opinions?
-Why has the Union NOT educated its members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it? Yes, that is the perfectly legal route open to BA to tear up your contracts (or mine) and write new ones….if I sign I'm deemed to have 'agreed', if not I'm deemed to have resigned, so no redundancy payment. This is open to BA, and this IS imposition, yet BA STILL haven't done it, preferring to continue to offer negotiation…..nah, let's strike
-Why has the Union offered a PAYCUT when neither the Cabin Crew NOR British Airways asked or supported it?!?!
-Why has the Union NOT told its members that its 'very generous offer' that it made during 'negotiations' and claimed was worth £140million, (yet for some reason now is claiming is worth £175MILLION(?!)) was rejected by BA because it was INDEPENDENTLY analysed by PRICE WATERHOUSE COOPERS to be worth AT ABSOLUTE MOST, just £54million?!
-What consulting did the Union do to find out from its members where they democratically thought that £54mil (even though woefully short of target) should come from? Did they just offer up terms and conditions AND a paycut without asking a by-your-leave?! Surely not?! "Take it from the Regional BA Cabin Crew, take it from Gatwick Cabin Crew, take it from new joiners, new contract, new fleet, JUST DON'T TAKE IT FROM US AT THE TOP!
The MAJORITY will speak, I just hope that they have looked at both sides of the discussion and not just voted for what they were told to vote for; this is the reason that children cannot vote. It's just such a shame that BASSA's aggressive, non-inclusive stance shows it STILL views Industrial Action as taking candy from a baby.
PLEASE PROVE THEM WRONG.....I'll let you stay up late
p.s. Fume Event, if you want any credibility as a sensible poster and not just a BASSA stooge, please do ask those questions on the BASSA forum. I feel sure that if your views here reflect your views over there no-one will try to punish you or threaten physical violence in the carpark, just post it as an 'example' of what's being discussed on the PPRuNe forum. I'm sure someone will post a copy of it back here to verify when you've done it.
p.p.s. for ease:
"Why have BASSA....
-refused to look at the BA financial books
-denied the recession
-not consulted the electorate on proposed changes
-not admitted the need for change
-refused to negotiate with the company
-disseminated clearly false information to its members
-not informed the members about the share option that the company offered to the Cabin Crew
-negligently allowed crew to believe they will STILL get paid in a strike
-GROSSLY negligently assured them they CANNOT get fired during a strike
-not educated the members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members (i.e. all CSDs if they like) a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it. Look it up. The only reason it hasn't is because it hasn't been provoked enough yet to justify such draconian measures...something tells me the ogre is starting to get riled (court, strike etc)
-lied to the members about the pilot's paydeal, pilots VR party, WW trying to position BA as a lowcost carrier (?!) etc, etc,
-withheld clearly true/valid information that would allow crew to formulate a rounded and well-informed opinion on matters
-offered a PAYCUT that was not voted for or wanted by cabin crew (or BA!)
etc,etc, I mean, how they expect not to be sued by the members for gross misconduct I don't know. I'm sorry to go on but the list does.....go on...and on....and on"
GOOD LUCK BA CABIN CREW- SAVE OUR COMPANY!!!
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Fume Event,
If you feel so strongly that the service will be a disaster then I feel you are in the wrong job.
The flights that I have flown with the LGW crews show that the service can be done with reduced crew, can be done well, can be done with a smile and can be appreciated by the passengers.
BASSA cut their own throats when they threw Gatwick to the lions. They enabled BA to have a test bed for crewing levels that could prove if they were sustainable over the long term. That time has now come.
The level of service will not 'plummet' as you suspect. I firmly believe that the professional Cabin Crew amongst the minority of BASSA professional moaners will ensure that they achieve a good level of service.
BA has crossed every T, dotted every I in their attempt to get BASSA to negotiate in a meaningful manner. They have failed to get rid of the childish manner that BASSA approach every attempt with. BASSA have failed to bully the management with their IA tactics, they have failed to win an injunction and no amount of BASSA spin and rhetoric will change that.
BASSA have brought about the loss of forward bookings. How tough will it be to reduce one crew member when there is no one on the aircraft anyway?
As to no faith in Willie Walsh, how laughable is that. BASSA have no faith in the CEO who has the backing of not one but two international blue chip companies. It would seem that the BASSA line is coming, once again, directly from BASSA's derrier?
I feel the strike will be a wash out and, hopefully we can get rid of BASSA and get on with running the company without the interference of a bunch of amateurs. Industrial limits? Nope WE are using our super secret BASSA limits! Sheesh.
If you feel so strongly that the service will be a disaster then I feel you are in the wrong job.
The flights that I have flown with the LGW crews show that the service can be done with reduced crew, can be done well, can be done with a smile and can be appreciated by the passengers.
BASSA cut their own throats when they threw Gatwick to the lions. They enabled BA to have a test bed for crewing levels that could prove if they were sustainable over the long term. That time has now come.
The level of service will not 'plummet' as you suspect. I firmly believe that the professional Cabin Crew amongst the minority of BASSA professional moaners will ensure that they achieve a good level of service.
BA has crossed every T, dotted every I in their attempt to get BASSA to negotiate in a meaningful manner. They have failed to get rid of the childish manner that BASSA approach every attempt with. BASSA have failed to bully the management with their IA tactics, they have failed to win an injunction and no amount of BASSA spin and rhetoric will change that.
BASSA have brought about the loss of forward bookings. How tough will it be to reduce one crew member when there is no one on the aircraft anyway?
As to no faith in Willie Walsh, how laughable is that. BASSA have no faith in the CEO who has the backing of not one but two international blue chip companies. It would seem that the BASSA line is coming, once again, directly from BASSA's derrier?
I feel the strike will be a wash out and, hopefully we can get rid of BASSA and get on with running the company without the interference of a bunch of amateurs. Industrial limits? Nope WE are using our super secret BASSA limits! Sheesh.
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Flybymerchant,
Excellent post, lots of effort and some very worthwhile questions.
Sadly, don't expect any answers above and beyond 'BASSA 100%' and '3250+ Can't be wrong'.
I hope I am wrong and someone from the BASSA brigade actually attempts a reasoned answer.
I won't be holding my breath though.
Excellent post, lots of effort and some very worthwhile questions.
Sadly, don't expect any answers above and beyond 'BASSA 100%' and '3250+ Can't be wrong'.
I hope I am wrong and someone from the BASSA brigade actually attempts a reasoned answer.
I won't be holding my breath though.
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An excellent post Flybymerchant.
I would urge UNITE (LM or any of the convenors) to post urgently some answers to the above questions, that I hear many people now asking. I doubt it would be done on here, because although UNITE demand openness and transparency from our management, they have as yet been unable to demonstrate those same qualities themselves.
If UNITE are genuinely interested in what the members want, they should post the answers either on the CrewForum or the BASSA forum or both. If they don't then we can only assume that they do not have the answers, or worse, do not care.
Sadly, I cannot ask this question on either the BASSA forum or the CrewForum, as they have access to our identity and I value my life.
We, the members, look forward to your response UNITE.
"Why have BASSA....
-refused to look at the BA financial books
-denied the recession
-not consulted the electorate on proposed changes
-not admitted the need for change
-refused to negotiate with the company
-disseminated clearly false information to its members
-not informed the members about the share option that the company offered to the Cabin Crew
-negligently allowed crew to believe they will STILL get paid in a strike
-GROSSLY negligently assured them they CANNOT get fired during a strike
-not educated the members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members (i.e. all CSDs if they like) a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it. Look it up. The only reason it hasn't is because it hasn't been provoked enough yet to justify such draconian measures...something tells me the ogre is starting to get riled (court, strike etc)
-lied to the members about the pilot's paydeal, pilots VR party, WW trying to position BA as a lowcost carrier (?!) etc, etc,
-withheld clearly true/valid information that would allow crew to formulate a rounded and well-informed opinion on matters
-offered a PAYCUT that was not voted for or wanted by cabin crew (or BA!)
-refused to look at the BA financial books
-denied the recession
-not consulted the electorate on proposed changes
-not admitted the need for change
-refused to negotiate with the company
-disseminated clearly false information to its members
-not informed the members about the share option that the company offered to the Cabin Crew
-negligently allowed crew to believe they will STILL get paid in a strike
-GROSSLY negligently assured them they CANNOT get fired during a strike
-not educated the members about S.O.S.R....the thing that allows BA, (from any point now on) to send any crew members (i.e. all CSDs if they like) a '90 day letter of termination' whenever it feels like it. Look it up. The only reason it hasn't is because it hasn't been provoked enough yet to justify such draconian measures...something tells me the ogre is starting to get riled (court, strike etc)
-lied to the members about the pilot's paydeal, pilots VR party, WW trying to position BA as a lowcost carrier (?!) etc, etc,
-withheld clearly true/valid information that would allow crew to formulate a rounded and well-informed opinion on matters
-offered a PAYCUT that was not voted for or wanted by cabin crew (or BA!)
I would urge UNITE (LM or any of the convenors) to post urgently some answers to the above questions, that I hear many people now asking. I doubt it would be done on here, because although UNITE demand openness and transparency from our management, they have as yet been unable to demonstrate those same qualities themselves.
If UNITE are genuinely interested in what the members want, they should post the answers either on the CrewForum or the BASSA forum or both. If they don't then we can only assume that they do not have the answers, or worse, do not care.
Sadly, I cannot ask this question on either the BASSA forum or the CrewForum, as they have access to our identity and I value my life.
We, the members, look forward to your response UNITE.
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Unite are getting desperate
Unite are in a corner and are now telling outright lies to their members in order to get their votes.
Its a shame that BA still won't fight fire with fire and expose the reps for what they are doing.
If you vote yes its because you really don't understand whats at stake:
BA have tabled £127m savings.
If a strike costs £100m then guess who BA will come after for it?
Every other employee at BA has contirubted to saving this great company so why shouldn't IFCE?
I can almost hear BA tearing up contracts and serving 90 days notice on them.
Come on Unite see sense. You want a strike at any expense because of what happened in 2007 and everyone can see that. You are not acting in your members best interests and you know it.
And Unite members - vote no and force the reps back to the table. Its your only hope of a happy outcome to the mess your "representatives" are getting you into.
Its a shame that BA still won't fight fire with fire and expose the reps for what they are doing.
If you vote yes its because you really don't understand whats at stake:
BA have tabled £127m savings.
If a strike costs £100m then guess who BA will come after for it?
Every other employee at BA has contirubted to saving this great company so why shouldn't IFCE?
I can almost hear BA tearing up contracts and serving 90 days notice on them.
Come on Unite see sense. You want a strike at any expense because of what happened in 2007 and everyone can see that. You are not acting in your members best interests and you know it.
And Unite members - vote no and force the reps back to the table. Its your only hope of a happy outcome to the mess your "representatives" are getting you into.
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Travelandtrouble, you wrote:
I reckon that it will all come out in a court room in the not too distant future. Perhaps WW is clever enough to not rise to it all, but let the Bassa mob think they're "safe" and lulled into a false sense of security.
Heck, at one point I even considered making an appointment with WW and BF to negotiate the whole thing myself... I know that would never have happened, but I'm pretty sure I would've got further than the current "negotiators".
It's now all about a power struggle for the unions. There will be panic behind the scenes. They are actively encouraging members to not talk to their owning managers, not to answer their calls.
Some people have suggested there will be plenty of people going sick in case of a strike. Only one person so far has pointed out that it would be riskier than actually striking. I'll mention it again, that WW has said months ago, that anyone going sick during IA will be on automatic disciplinary. I'm guessing if you turn up in a plaster cast with a doctor's letter and crutches you might avoid a disciplinary, but otherwise, you're pretty much done for.
Anyone else seen the FAQ sent through the post the other day? There are too many to post them all here, but the one that stands out for me is this one:
Will my ID be cancelled if I go on strike?
It shouldn't be.
Not very reassuring and informative, is it?
Gg
Edited to add another Q from the FAQ:
Do Unite provide any kind of strike pay?
Yes. Unite has recently increased its subscriptions in order to ensure members on strike receive improved strike pay.
Well, they haven't increased my subs, nor have I had any info about this. Will the members who've been charged extra get this money back in case of no strike? I somehow doubt it.
Its a shame that BA still won't fight fire with fire and expose the reps for what they are doing.
Heck, at one point I even considered making an appointment with WW and BF to negotiate the whole thing myself... I know that would never have happened, but I'm pretty sure I would've got further than the current "negotiators".
It's now all about a power struggle for the unions. There will be panic behind the scenes. They are actively encouraging members to not talk to their owning managers, not to answer their calls.
Some people have suggested there will be plenty of people going sick in case of a strike. Only one person so far has pointed out that it would be riskier than actually striking. I'll mention it again, that WW has said months ago, that anyone going sick during IA will be on automatic disciplinary. I'm guessing if you turn up in a plaster cast with a doctor's letter and crutches you might avoid a disciplinary, but otherwise, you're pretty much done for.
Anyone else seen the FAQ sent through the post the other day? There are too many to post them all here, but the one that stands out for me is this one:
Will my ID be cancelled if I go on strike?
It shouldn't be.
Not very reassuring and informative, is it?
Gg
Edited to add another Q from the FAQ:
Do Unite provide any kind of strike pay?
Yes. Unite has recently increased its subscriptions in order to ensure members on strike receive improved strike pay.
Well, they haven't increased my subs, nor have I had any info about this. Will the members who've been charged extra get this money back in case of no strike? I somehow doubt it.
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Hit the nail on the head, Gg - their comms are full of half truths and insinuations designed to unsettle and worry the membership - they never say what's actually going on, or why they have failed thier membership.
Did you see the one today that suggested that CSDs are above "pushing a trolley"? Is that all they think 90% of their members do?
How disrespectful! My blood boiled when I read that!
Did you see the one today that suggested that CSDs are above "pushing a trolley"? Is that all they think 90% of their members do?
How disrespectful! My blood boiled when I read that!
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And just to emphasise the non-thinking militants, they are talking about NewFleet as ethnic cleansing. How ignorant and disrespectful is that???
Seriously, some people need to hang their heads in shame, read some history books, educate themselves and get a grip on reality. Hey, stop reading the mail and try the FT instead. You might learn something about a thing called recession and economics.
Gg
Seriously, some people need to hang their heads in shame, read some history books, educate themselves and get a grip on reality. Hey, stop reading the mail and try the FT instead. You might learn something about a thing called recession and economics.
Gg
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And just to emphasise the non-thinking militants, they are talking about NewFleet as ethnic cleansing. How ignorant and disrespectful is that???
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Cuspidor - love it. I'll settle for the big white telephone any day, and failing that, a wastepaper basket usually suffices, rather than your fancy Portuguese spittoon (had to look it up!).
Am a bit miffed that my previous post has disappeared without comment, seeming as it took me ages to write. Ho hum.....
Am a bit miffed that my previous post has disappeared without comment, seeming as it took me ages to write. Ho hum.....
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I think I shall give up trying to find sensible comments on here for the time being.
Desertia in page 159 lists his/her post as "BASSA missive in full".
-maybe its his poor attempt at humour, but it is a complete lie.
Many of us are looking for a place to help us reach clarity on the issues, and the decisions to be made.
Rubbish like that does not help.
-Carnage -think you earlier queried if I am part time.(pay)...No -Full time / EUF,
TTFN for now, off to try and get sensible answers elswhere...(dissapointed at the level here generally)
Mods - maybe a CC only forum would be the answer?
God help us all, Stay safe guys.
Desertia in page 159 lists his/her post as "BASSA missive in full".
-maybe its his poor attempt at humour, but it is a complete lie.
Many of us are looking for a place to help us reach clarity on the issues, and the decisions to be made.
Rubbish like that does not help.
-Carnage -think you earlier queried if I am part time.(pay)...No -Full time / EUF,
TTFN for now, off to try and get sensible answers elswhere...(dissapointed at the level here generally)
Mods - maybe a CC only forum would be the answer?
God help us all, Stay safe guys.
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Mods - maybe a CC only forum would be the answer?
This thread has run for months, and amongst the chaff is a lot of useful info, that gives most of us, who are not brainwashed, a useful insight into what's been going on (not a lot, if you discount throwing teddies, stamping feet, primary school maths, and something to do with racing).
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Cool. Best off back to the BASSA forum, and CF where the true facts are displayed, and everyone is allowed their say, and all questions are answered, not that anyone dares ask any awkward questions there...
BASSA 100% Yay!!
BASSA 100% Yay!!