British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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It's a huge worry when union reps such as Bealine come on here and make such grossly misleading statements such as "WW cannot legally force new contracts or new terms on anyone as long as you don't violate your contract."
err.....Direct.gov.uk (even a primary school child could find out this info):
If anyone needs proof that BASSA have no understanding of the legalities of this situation, then Bealine's statement (albeit that they are from the ground union) proves it.
It is time to stand up and be counted against this atrocious union who are playing a very dangerous game with OUR lives and livelihoods.
err.....Direct.gov.uk (even a primary school child could find out this info):
Disagreeing to changes in your employment conditions
Sometimes your employer will want to bring in a change to your contract that you don't agree to. Find out what your rights are if that is happening and how you can raise your complaint.
What if you and your employer don't agree?
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on. Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.
If this situation happens in your workplace, you should contact the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) or another advice service from our contacts pages for further guidance.If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year of continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.
If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.
Sometimes your employer will want to bring in a change to your contract that you don't agree to. Find out what your rights are if that is happening and how you can raise your complaint.
What if you and your employer don't agree?
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on. Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.
If this situation happens in your workplace, you should contact the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas) or another advice service from our contacts pages for further guidance.If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year of continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.
If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.
It is time to stand up and be counted against this atrocious union who are playing a very dangerous game with OUR lives and livelihoods.
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You understand incorrectly. SOSR in this context is used to change contracts. You are issued a new contract, with the SR being that the companys survival requires new terms and conditions. If you don't sign you are deemed to have resigned.
For info, BA filed all the necessary documents with the relevant authorities to implement SOSR some time ago.
The fact that BASSA don't know this and don't understand the implications speaks volumes.
As I've said before, BASSA are a great union for protecting CAT payments and B2B's but they're way out of their depth on this one, as they were with the pension issues and Open Skies.
The fact that BASSA don't know this and don't understand the implications speaks volumes.
As I've said before, BASSA are a great union for protecting CAT payments and B2B's but they're way out of their depth on this one, as they were with the pension issues and Open Skies.
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Bassa can do nothing - it's too late
....that's why they should have negotiated constructively when they had the chance. The chance has gone, the contracts will soon be in the post, Bassa will ballot, BA's lawyers will ensure IA is illegal, crew will sign, Bassa is dead and the reps ostracised by the members they failed
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Originally Posted by HiFlyer14
It is time to stand up and be counted against this atrocious union who are playing a very dangerous game with OUR lives and livelihoods.]
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Litebulbs.. I think you'll find this is the RELEVANT link
What if we can't agree? | Business Link
and it still states they can dismiss and re-employ you under new terms....
What if we can't agree? | Business Link
and it still states they can dismiss and re-employ you under new terms....
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Sorry Litebulbs, I really haven't got the time or inclination anymore.
Back to thread...
I found this interesting on the Business Link website:
Please note that BA have not proposed ANY financial loss whatsoever. Having discovered the above, I now realise why that is..... It looks like the refusal of a paycut by WW is for a very definitive reason.
Back to thread...
I found this interesting on the Business Link website:
If the breach of contract has caused them a measurable financial loss, employees can also sue for damages, either in employment tribunals or in the ordinary courts.
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Keep in mind as well that if you were to choose to take BA to court for constructive dismissal or some other form of "illegal" dismissal, BA will allow it all to be dragged through the courts for years. Yes, they may have to pay compensation at the end but there will be no legal right to reinstatement and you will not have had work in the meantime.
Again, all this has been covered previously.
Again, all this has been covered previously.
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I am no lawyer but I always believe that British Law will act on what is fair and reasonable and what British Airways proposes is not fair and not reasonable.
I will go no further into the realms of conjecture because that is not helpful to either party.
I'm really glad BALPA and the pilot community got off so lightly, but please back out of our troubles!
I will go no further into the realms of conjecture because that is not helpful to either party.
I'm really glad BALPA and the pilot community got off so lightly, but please back out of our troubles!
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I hear letters gave started hitting doormats with lists of what BA wants. Better study those lists carefully because that's what the new contracts are going to look like.
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WOW....Some really bitter and twisted posts on this thread. Some of you might get your desired 'debate' if you were a little less aggressive in your posts.
What will you do when all is sorted out with CC - go to another thread and harangue groundstaff/ ramp workers?
At the end of the day, and many will get on the merry-go-round and slate me, BA have to negotiate with Bassa/Amicus and whatever your thoughts/hopes are that is the reality of life in BA.
What will you do when all is sorted out with CC - go to another thread and harangue groundstaff/ ramp workers?
At the end of the day, and many will get on the merry-go-round and slate me, BA have to negotiate with Bassa/Amicus and whatever your thoughts/hopes are that is the reality of life in BA.
Nigh on 130,000 hits to this thread now...and virtually all posters anti BA CC just because we are standing up for what WE believe is right - how sad that is in reality.