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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:36
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What was the # of the post which contained the link to the video? It seems to have disappeared. Thanks.
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Here you go - YouTube - SANDOWN PARK 14.12.09 14.00.mpg

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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:38
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YouTube Clip

I hope the comments posted under the youtube clip represent the extreme end of the spectrum only..!
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:39
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Perry it is illegal to copy and paste what unite have send out to the union members I have reported your post. I am going to make sure legal action is taking against this website if people carry on copying and pasteing what unite have sent to union members.
Flying Chicken the CRC is littered with the discarded ramblings from Cloud Cuckoo land that is the Bassa Utopia - as you well know there is an active campaign on the crew forum to encourage crew to photocopy and hand out these communications, so I suggest you point your lawyers at the Crew Forum first.

My post was hand typed from one of these discarded photocopies.
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:42
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According to the Guardian Online, Unite mailed ballot papers to crew who had accepted voluntary redundancy and thus were not entitled to vote.
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According to the Guardian Online, Unite mailed ballot papers to crew who had accepted voluntary redundancy and thus were not entitled to vote.
UNITE definitely did!
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:47
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It seems like a no win situation to me: So now if the CC are forced to go to work I can imagine how friendly and motivated the staff on the flight which I hope will take my family and myself on xmas eve. Have been looking forward to tryingout Ba's CW service for some time but am really wishing I had stuck to Star Alliance like I usually do when I travel to Canada.

I truly hope that BA and its CC find a suitable solution that can guarantee the survival of the airline and that no more jobs have to be sacrificed in this already hard economy.
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:49
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Am I seeing things in that youtube video, or is the bassa logo on the banner depicted as a flag in the scene from the photo 'raising the flag on Iwo Jima'?

Are Bassa comparing the second world war with airline industrial action?
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:49
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It doesn't follow that all commuters voted for strike action but since, as BASSA claim, support for action is so close to unanimous it's a pretty safe bet. I'd be pretty unhappy having a BASSA militant on the jump seat whilst I'm operating the aircraft.
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:54
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Thanks for the link. It really brings back memories of watching A Skargill leading his miners into oblivion. Let's hope that the conclusion to this fiasco won't be so severe.
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:56
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Possibly one could look at the agenda of the hard
left who are running this union show.

Turner..TGWU.
Boyd. .AMICUS.
McCluskey..TGWU.

McCluskey is the left wing candidate to take over as Unite general secretary next year. If he pulls off this confrontation he will be in for certain.
No doubt the others move up the ladder in turn.

So it might not be a bad thing if BA went bust? Another miner's strike? A defeat for the hard left. Clearer, cleaner and quiter skies. There might be a few more people on the dole perhaps, (although if the staff were means tested they might not qualify, having enjoyed such huge salaries and potential savings in the past) but set against that, Terminal 5 would make a lovely refugee centre and the pension problems would just fade away into that BA sort of sunset..
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:58
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The miners knew they were losing their whole industry and were fighting to keep it, they had little to lose, and should have had the support of the nation.

CC are striking to avoid having to work "a little bit harder" whilst enjoying excellent employment terms when compared to the vast population of the UK. The nation seems to be expressing it's support for that position about as much as I thought it would.!
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'Is the bloke with the glasses Len Mclusky? If so why are these poeple always from Merseyside. Derek Hatton springs to mind.'

Good point, and I share his birthplace & accent ! The whole video was like time transport to the 1970's. Hugh Scanlon and Jack Jones also spring to mind, and Harold (my MP then) with his pink notepaper.

And if you look here

BBC News - Greece's government unveils major spending cuts

the UK's economic position seems about the same.
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 13:58
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It must be the biggest pr own goal by any union. Going on strike over Xmas and ruining millions holidays will get absolutely no public support. All I hear everywhere is Willie should sack the lot of them and I can't say I really disagree. They may have a legitimate grevience but Xmas is the not the time to try and screw the company .
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 14:01
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Bored, so took a quick look at the unite website and it seems they have already moved-on. Cadburys is now in top spot on the homepage, no mention of BA whatsoever, unless you search,

Oh, and members should now apparently be supporting Canadian miners, and Palestinian solidarity!
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BA win legal challenge, strike averted, they add up the cost of the strike threat to IFCE's savings target and decide that new fleet for all is now the only affordable option?
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I know this won't be popular, but BA cabin crew are really shooting themselves in the foot over this.

Strike by all means, but you HAVE to TRY and keep the public onside.

Any sympathy you had (and you had plenty) has been lost because of the decision to strike over Christmas.

I'll be interested to see what happens in the next few months but I would bet my mortgage that many of the BA cabin crew who have voted for this action won't have a job with BA this time next year because if this strike goes ahead, then we could well be witnessing the beginning of the end of British Airways.
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I do not know if this is correct but I read in the press somewhere, true or not, that the option for CC on the ballot ticket was..

Strike.
Not strike.

If that is the case and given the fact that one assumes most of the cabin crew are reasonably nice and sensible people, may one assume that the union stitched them up by deciding when to hold the strike after the ballot?

Those in the know will be able to correct on this?
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 14:06
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CC pay

I have read that average pay of BA CC is £29K while Virgin CC manage on average £14K. Is this true?

Leave aside my personal experience of long haul Upper Class being vastly superior to Club World, from check-in to hotel transfer, if it is true, what on earth would make BA crew think they are worth twice as much as VA?
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Old 15th Dec 2009, 14:08
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You have to have a strike ballot first then the earliest a strike can be held is 7 days after the results.

All of this info is freely available elsewhere....
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