British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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Rather than continually nitpick at the CC Unions in a tribal fashion, you should all be applauding their stance against WW
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The new structure is being imposed and those who have volunteered for PTW will get it. So who is saying the savings won't be made? If WW doesn't achieve the savings he is history, and I don't feel he's ready to go yet.
Stance against WW? Doesn't go down too well with other departments who have made real sacrifices to watch a bunch of superannuated long-haul commuters throw a hissy fit. (BASSA leadership, not their members)
Events will now overtake the BASSA leadership faster than they can say 'upgrade'
Stance against WW? Doesn't go down too well with other departments who have made real sacrifices to watch a bunch of superannuated long-haul commuters throw a hissy fit. (BASSA leadership, not their members)
Events will now overtake the BASSA leadership faster than they can say 'upgrade'
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LD - BA can sustain these 'losses' for ever cos like they've got a BILLION pounds in the bank and thats like loads of money cos I only have a thousand and like there's no recession anyway cos every flight I've been on has been full and there was never any intention to negotiate anyway because Willy Walsh always wanted to bankrupt the company so he can make himself rich like the other fats cats who want to screw the workers and he just wants to break the unions and crew cos were like the only reason any ever flies BA. BASSA 100%!
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Overstress & Carnage Matey: Aren't you the same person anyway just posting under different names? Why don't you just chill out and let the CC vent off and have their say? I think we all know 'neither' of you work for IFS. Trying to argue/persuade anyone in such an environment as this is like pushing water uphill. Stick to the threads you can influence! 
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I still remain optimistic that the £127 million savings discussed yesterday will come from within and not from a New Fleet. It's not beyond redemption yet - but the Union are.
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I think it important we remember that BA never published the £140 million figure - that was from BASSA. So actually BF now saying £127 million is the first shift in goal posts from BA - which is hardly surprising given the procrastination of BASSA.
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demomonkey: You have to be kidding, I genuinely only have one PPRuNe persona 
- there's no way I could be clever enough to run two at the same time!!
Would like to know who CM is, I suspect I know him, but if I found out it would spoil the mystery.
No I don't 'work for IFS' but I do cart some of them around in an aeroplane occasionally....
- there's no way I could be clever enough to run two at the same time!!Would like to know who CM is, I suspect I know him, but if I found out it would spoil the mystery.
No I don't 'work for IFS' but I do cart some of them around in an aeroplane occasionally....
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Rather than continually nitpick at the CC Unions in a tribal fashion, you should all be applauding their stance against WW for it could be your turn next.
People have been "nitpicking" the CC unions, because they have been bemused at their utter inability to communicate with either their members, or the company. Had they bothered to do so, the original cost savings target would have been a doddle, and no one would have even noticed it. It might even have improved some of the members' lives. Of course, it might have taken more than 3 hours to thrash out, and might have required reps to turn up to meetings. Guess there just wasn't enough time.
It might well be me next. Luckily, I vote in reps that have already realised that, and are working on strategies to cope with that, hopefully with constructive talks with BA. Most people learned that sticking your fingers in your ears ran out of credence, as a negotiating tactic, sometime after one's 2nd birthday. Evidently not BASSA reps.
The result? BASSA getting more and more hysterical, more and more CC slowly seeing the light dawn, thus milling around not sure what to do (BASSA always told them what to do before), and BA sailing serenely on.......You see they saw this coming, and planned for it. And BASSA have played right into their hands, muppets that they are.
If that sounds like schadenfreude, then part of it is. If I never have to hear another shrill rant, about "fighting to the death", "brothers/comrades", and the other emotive BS BASSA spout to their members, it will be too soon. I think they're just realising that we live in 2009 now, not 1979, and that they do not have a monopoly of the labour supply. It can end 2 ways; either way ends with their terms and conditions changed. BA, or find a better job? Their choice.
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Who needs BA anyway?
What on earth makes some of you BA folk think that your company is essential or even important.
It is quite expendable, and could be replaced in full by a more efficient company. In the meanwhile, the vacuum would largely be filled by other airlines from around the world. The spare capacity is certainly there.
Sorry, but a great deal of misplaced self-importance seems to be flying around here. (I used to be employed by BA, remain a shareholder, and thus feel qualified to contribute here, b4 anyone tells me to mind my own business)
It is quite expendable, and could be replaced in full by a more efficient company. In the meanwhile, the vacuum would largely be filled by other airlines from around the world. The spare capacity is certainly there.
Sorry, but a great deal of misplaced self-importance seems to be flying around here. (I used to be employed by BA, remain a shareholder, and thus feel qualified to contribute here, b4 anyone tells me to mind my own business)
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Posties should know that strikes are catching | Daniel Finkelstein - Times Online
If you substitute Royal Mail by BA and posties by cabin crew this article would sum up the position.
If you substitute Royal Mail by BA and posties by cabin crew this article would sum up the position.
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and could be replaced in full by a more efficient company
British Airways is finally being taken over by British Airways.
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ps - I'm glad to see there's someone out there who starts drinking earlier than I do!
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From CF with, it would seem, express permission from the first sentence.
Or is it just because that anyone you meet who doesn't agree with your stance gets called an idiot, shouted at, told to wake up and smell the coffee or that they can't be crew because they don't share your point of view? Perhaps it's just a damned sight easier for people to nod at your spittle-flecked rantings and go away with their own opinions intact rather than taking your inchoate screechings on board and doing as you think they should. Hardly a way to win waverers over.
Right, off to enjoy my subsidised coffee despite the indignation.
This is a message that i hope will be reported by the spies that no doubt haunt this forum ....i just want to make it absolutely clear , that despite what you might think Cabin Crew ARE willing to strike . Everyone i have flown with recently is adamant that they will not be treated in such a discusting way by our incompetent management ANY LONGER . Enough is enough , we will be voting and we will vote to strike , and every last iota of blame will lie firmly in your hands !!! All this could so easily been avoided .... to you this is all about money , to us this is all about our whole lives .... so the idea that we would not fight for that , that we would roll over and die like dogs is a gross insult indeed , you have made a huge mistake underestimating us , as you are soon to discover to your detriment .... bring on the ballot .
Right, off to enjoy my subsidised coffee despite the indignation.
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Also, i dont think many people here think that there wont be a yes vote to a strike. Lets face it the crewforumites would strike over hot towels in WTP let alone imposition. Whether the High Court will permit a strike is another thing entirely. Whats plan B?
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Will anyone actually go out on strike? Or will it all turn out like last time; a huge yes vote followed by a dawning realisation that the threat didn't work followed by individuals planning to go sick or sneak into work followed by union capitulation?